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Foundation male Werewolf cat froze to death at hands of first breeder — 45 Comments

  1. I’ve known cat breeders for many years. ALL of their cats enjoy daily living just like non breeding cats. Darkness does NOT encourage breeding. Any REAL vet would know that.

    I wasn’t able to read the entire article. What real POS those ‘vets’ are. Their license should be revoked, they should NEVER be allowed around animals, and they should be put in prison!

    My heart goes out to all the victims of this story and all the others like it.

    • Thanks Cat’s Meow. Amongst vets and amongst cat breeders there are a whole range of different types of people, some are good and some are not good.

  2. Another “boys room” in my home, adjacent to the other room where Silver Lining Wolfie Lykoi lived before going to live with Gobbles. My boys are treated like pets. The are given the best of care and have daily visits and interaction with us.

  3. I have been accused by Gobbles of “caging” my cats and Lykoi male they co-owned with me. Here is a picture of the actual room where my boys reside and it is where Silver Lining Wolfie lived while he was here with me. He was well socialized and lived in harmony with my other boys in this room. He was always friendly with humans. These pics were taken in 2009. I have retrieved them from a picture file of a computer crash. My boys/cats are never caged and never have been. These pics were posted on a public yahoo cat group in 2009.

  4. P.S.
    The one litter i bred from my lykoi outcrossed to a vet checked and healthy black domestic moggie (as per breed rules) produced 8 kittens. 3 of these were stillborn, underdeveloped, and GROSSLY deformed. One of them (a blue girl) was born alive, but with TERRIBLY deformed twisted back legs. I reported this to the G’s and conveyed my desire to spay my lykoi female in case she werethe cause. I was told i had to breed her again per contract, and that the domestic father (with strong NATURALLY SELECTED genes) was the likely cause. My ethics wouldnt allow this. My own health was failing at the time- so returning her was the only semi-ethical choice i had. Thanfully i am well experienced in canine/feline therapeutic massage. We were able to get the blue girl full range of motion in her rear legs after 6 months of massage. She now lives with some friends who say she is very active and a dynamite mouser! Thankfully, the black gene carrier kittens in the litter were healthy and have onlypassed on good kittens thus far. Im glad this part of my life is behind me. I still believe in the lykoi. In the right hands itcould become the healthiest breed on record. Some of the cats have tested marvelously and will only reproduce their excellent health. These comments reflect my rememberence of past events. I am not interested in causing trouble in the present- only in telling the truth about the past in my humble opinion.

    • The twisted back legs is likely due to cramping in the womb due to the litter size (I haven’t seen photos so I can’t say for certain).

      I have some messages on file that state people would have to take the G’s to court in their town where Mr Gobble was main vet for an animal shelter run by the “big” people. “If [she] tries to make trouble, she will have to come to my town…where Johnny is a very important and very loved doctor…and the judges are all friends with these wealthy people. They are going to be very angry to hear that she is causing him trouble.”

      It advanced too quickly because the G’s wanted to get the breed advanced within 5 years, half the time it normally takes for advancement, with cats being bred too often IMO (forced cycling) and with an undersized female being repeated bred despite her susceptibility to upper respiratory tract infections (this is another cat that died).

        • I had been breeding top-notch ultra healthy pedigree cats for show, therapy animals, and even my own altered male who turned out to be a seizure alert cat without any special training- and pre warned me by howling and scratching my legs that a seizure was coming on in my body. The first time i didnt know what he was doing, but later realized he had been warning me. He sensed the messed up electrical signals in my body. After that i would immediately lie down if he did this. Every time a seizure came. He saved me from fall injuries. My point is that pedigree cats specifically selected and bred for their strong connection to humans are generally better suited for such responsibilities. Moggies are great, but tend to be more aloof. My oriental shorthairs were spectacular. My last oriental, my seizure alert cat, died in my arms while the kids and i prayed over him for peace and gently sang hymns to him. I was devastated. Responsible ethical breeders of purebred cats with unique traits are still needed. In the u.s we only raise 2% of the overall cat population, and 98% of us do early spay/neuter before placing pets in homes. We are not a significant contributor to pet overpopulation. Dog breeders may be a different matter, but most cat people alter our babies, and nearly all of us do rescue or shelter work too. The problems in the cat show fancy arent with irresponsible contribution to overpopulation, but with poor ethics in the treatment of our breeding stock in an effort to get more ribbons, trophies, money, and prestige. Im happy to say in 20 yrs of cat breeding and 10 years of show breeding, only about 10% of the cat people i know behave thus. It is important to identify and confront such things. My own ethics are strict. I learn from mistakes. I was shocked that after seeing the pics of the deformed and grossly developed stillborn kits, that anyone would want to breed from her again. Frankly, she was a spectacular ribbon of merit winning example of her breed. 4 judges placed her first, and the 5th placed her second, but not every show winner or real beauty makes for a good breeder. She was too small. Im thankful there are a handful of breeders saving this wonderful breed and doing it with the proper strict ethics. They are all also active in moggie rescue. Bad apples in any group tarnish the image of the whole. Its sad.

  5. I was involved in this breed very early on, being one of the first 16 worldwide breeders in the “group”. The Gobbles manipulation and “high-school drama” attitude sickened me. Their co-ownership contracts amounted to intellectual prison wherein any dissent or disagreement was seen as an attempted coup, and many of us were afraid to speak. I raised one lovely litter of gene carriers that have made a healthy mark in the breed, but i had to return my co-owned cat to the Gobbles due to poor health in my own body- which made dealing with the madness any longer a danger to my own health. I was heartbroken to send my cat back to them, but legally had no other option. There are a few awesome lykoi breeders raising genetically screened kittens. But this breed advanced too quickly in tica and we were afraid to report to the tica board because some of them had already been “bought” by the Gobbles via giving them kittens or promising future kittens to them. Also, most of us didnt have the financial resources they have- so a legal battle with them here in the u.s. (where “justice” is more often purchased with high priced lawyers than granted impartially) would have been an exercise in futility. I love the breed and hope it flourishes under the few good breeders not enslaved on the intellectual and ethical plantation run by a few unscrupulous breeders. I have emails that would sicken any ethical breeder or concerned cat lover. Rev. Clinton M. Nusbaumer- formerly SILVERBULLET LYKOI


    If she also refuses that, we will notify TICA that because of Patti we cannot establish a breed. And we will notify all the fans and breeders. We will post the whole truth on our wall as well.
    We will still breed Lykoi if we must do this. But for a time they will not be able to be a breed. But we can place more Lykoi with You, Cheryl and Catherine.
    You and Cheryl can also place breeders because Patti agreed to you both before we signed the contract.
    But I cannot place intact with anyone else. Only neutered pets.

    So Johnny and I will continue to work with our cats and place them in pet homes…and homes that will show in the future. And we will wait for Patti to place a breeder without our permission…that will break our contract.
    You can place breeders! Cheryl can place breeders.
    Only I cannot.

    I can only place it with people whom Patti approved (you, Cheryl, Catherine and Jayne).
    So I can send you more cats…and you can place those for me.

    If we break contract, it is likely that she will only win the price of her cats…but we already placed them. But if she hires a lawyer to sue because our “partnership” has a valuable cat…..she can sue for the value of all our cats and the money for adoption fees when they become more famous.
    3/10/2014 17:36

    So we are going to make an “ultimatum” (a final offer). She will approve 10 breeders this week. If not, we will offer a different contract. If she again refuses, we will have to not be a breed (at least for a while) and JOhnny and I will continue to help the breeders whom already have Lykoi, and to make beautiful kittens….and we will NEVER allow her to register ktitens from her cat. We will also let everyone know the work has stopped because of Patti.
    3/10/2014 17:39
    This is the “plan”.

    For us to be Prelimanry New Breed this fall, Johnny and I will have to pay again $1000 to travel to the Annual TICA show to get them approved. But if Patti is going to refuse the breeders that we must have to go to Advanced new breed (and Championship), then there is no reason to continue to do that work and spend so much money.
    3/10/2014 17:42

    And I love our group of breeders….I only hate the drama that Patti causes. I am ready to move forward and know what to work on…healthy pets to make people happy, or more breeders to be a Championship breed in 2016.

    To take us to court, she would have to come to my town.
    Johnny is now the main vet for our shelter and does much much work for them!
    He even wrote a book for them.
    The people who are in charge of our shelter are very wealthy and are the “big” people in this city.
    So if Patti tries to make trouble, she will have to come to my town…where Johnny is a very important and very loved doctor…
    and the judges are all friends with these wealthy people.
    They are going to be very angry to hear that she is causing him trouble.

    But if our lawyer says our contract is very good and Patti is always going to be able to make the decisions. Then we will honor it. We keep our word and do not lie.’

    But if our lawyer says that this contract is silly and not correct, then I do not thin we should have to continue to deal with Patti and her craziness. We are no longer breeding Silver, and she has Hope back…so there is no kittens to place from them.
    I hope this does not make you think ill of me.

  7. Maybe we shouldn’t even attempt to breed a new type. what I mean to imply is that just because an unusual kitten is born _doesn’t always mean we have discovered a marketable and or healthy sustainable species to breed. Genetic defects could become a major problem as they have in the past.

  8. Mr Gobble’s statement omits the fact that a huge amount of information came from the selected emails and images that he forwarded to me himself. He objected to me printing the transcripts (copyright) and objected to me printing a synopsis of the same emails (omitting information). I’ve used emails from multiple sources rather than a single “approved” source.

    Here’s a little more – taken from one of their own emails that was forwarded to me – concerning a very small female Lykoi called Opie (Registered name: Opossum Road Kill), who was described as “almost a miniature cat. She was only 4.5 pounds” despite repeated illness. Although apparently never sick when pregnant, Opie had repeated upper respiratory infections (herpes followed by secondary infections) and could not keep weight on. Sometimes she had to be given fluids and heat. “We believe her body was just too little, and when she became ill with herpes this time . . . her body just couldn’t fight.” She died from infection, having produced 3 litters in just 13 months (registered offspring show the dates: Gobsgobblins Daciana Dream 2011-09-14, Gobsgobblins King Artemis & Queen Ulrica 2012-04-26 and Gobsgobblins Goddess Diana 2012-10-05 – data in online databases and registered with TICA).

    This means an undersized and fragile female was repeatedly bred despite repeated illnesses. Most breeders I’m in contact with would have retired her and spayed her for the sake of her own health. It’s easy to deduce that her offspring were more important than her own life. Breeding any female 3 times in 13 months is not normal practice among cat breeders.

    Another email mentioned the possibility of FIP exposure to a young cat that was caged (their word “caged”, not mine) with one that died with FIP symptoms, albeit the FIP titre test was negative.

  9. I did, out of fair play, ask for his comments about the death of the stud cat, but his response was that his attorneys have advised him not to send me any more information.

  10. I found some of the guidelines on catteries: In the UK, the Journal of Feline Medicine and Surgery (1999) 1, 181–191 “Recommendations for the housing of cats in the home, in catteries and animal shelters, in laboratories and in veterinary surgeries” have the following requirements “The vertical dimension is particularly important as regards the provision of appropriate internal complexity (see next section), so cages show be of adequate height [. . .] Enclosures should contain structures that make maximal use of the vertical dimension, such as shelves, climbing frames, platforms, hammocks and raised walkways placed at various heights [. . .] Surfaces for claw abrasion (e.g. scratch posts, rush matting, carpet, wood) should also be avail-able, as well as toys [. . .] The aim should be to provide good housing conditions, regardless of the length of the housing period. Whether it will be housed for 2 days, 2 weeks, 2 months or 2 years is of no relevance to the animal; its well-being is determined by the conditions it lives in day to day.” The dog room used as a cattery would not be permissible here in the UK.

    In the USA, the CFA guidelines state “A primary enclosure shall provide sufficient space to allow each enclosed cat to turn freely and to easily stand, sit and lie in a comfortable position. The minimum primary enclosure space for a single 4 lbs. Or greater cat is to be 30 cubic feet. **Where the primary enclosure is used for more than one cat, resting perches shall be provided.**” The dog room contains no resting perches.

    UFAW guidelines state that the cats should have hiding places because hiding is a coping behaviour for cats.

    The dog rooms at the vet clinic provide a barren environment that fails these basic standards of housing for cats. Here in the UK, these would not be permitted except as emergency accommodation. He would actually be breaking European Legislation on appropriate cattery housing for domestic cats (I don’t think Brexit will negate these rules)

    (And I spent so long researching these rules that my cup of tea is now cold … ugh … and Sweepy is nagging me to get off the computer.)

  11. I am the one who gave the names to the mutant kittens. Silver Lining name was later changed to Lining Wolfie by the Gobbles and registered with TICA association, with no notification or discussion with me prior to registering him with this new name. His name now appears on all pedigrees as Lining Wolfie. I named the mother of the two mutants, EVE (the beginning), and her name was also changed by Gobbles, and registered without notification to EVE HAVAH.

    • Thanks a lot for visiting and commenting, Patti. Your comments were held of checking because you are a first time commenter. Subsequent comments will be published immediately. I am so sorry that you were mistreated by the Gobbles. Their behavior seems so bad.

      • You may be forced to remove the images, as I have been. Those who dislike criticism are talking of lawyers & defamation despite having been given right of reply ….

        I’ve checked and I’m legally allowed to publish synopses of their emails even if I can’t publish the full transcript.

  12. This picture has been annotated by one of the reputable breeders (who is not a native English speaker) whose cats are raised in the home….

    Update: the picture has been removed by Admin as Mr Gobbles complained breach of copyright. Please see Sarah’s substitute below.

      • Many thanks Sarah, I’ll do that later. That said no one has contacted me yet. And image copyright is more or less defunct on the internet as Google and Pinterest, to name two huge websites, consistently in the many millions daily are in breach of copyright (Google image search). Google wants image copyright to be abolished on the internet.

  13. I’m just shaking my head… unsuited is an understatement, imo. They really need to step back and ask themselves “What’s wrong with us and how can we fix it?” Having skills and knowledge doesn’t necessarily make a person good at what they do. If the proper attitude of compassion isn’t there it’s just license to kill.

    • It’s not a designer breed, but a natural mutation. Designer breeds are those created by mix and match breeding (like labradoodles and puggles in the dog world)

      • Thank you. I have no issue with people who breed. I do have huge big nasty issues with people who breed for money. It’s one thing to clear most of your investment but once it becomes big money the animals seem to become objects. This poor cat was the victim of poor management and in fact if the cat was insured might invalidate the policy. The worst part is the poor cat froze to death out of human laziness. I could care less his value just the suffering he endured.

        • The practice of keeping the females in a dark room and then progressively into the light to induce oestrus is very much profit-related as it is aimed at getting litters at the breeder’s convenience, not when the cat naturally comes on call.

          Bringing this topic into the light is getting me a lot of “interesting” email from these breeders accusing me of lying. Strangely the photos they sent me of “cages” used by other breeders turned out to be outdoor runs attached to a breeders home (giving safe outdoor access to indoor cats) and kittening pens used by mother cats with litters – very much an own-goal. I’ll be adding their emails and photos later.

          They also want me to remove some of the photos (screenshots of conversations from Facebook which include a photo) which I consider to be covered by the Fair Use doctrine in the USA as they are commentary/journalism/criticism. However the photos are already “out there” and contradict their claims about spacious cages. They didn’t mention the death of the stud cat, but claimed he was aggressive. Their emails will go online along with the facts and photos that contradict them.

          • When you subject an animal to an environment with no stimulus for the purpose of bringing them into breeding condition you can no longer call yourself a cat lover. These cats have a novel look that is bringing close to 2000 per kitten if my quick Google’s are correct.

            • Apparently “cycle breeding” is common in the USA! I can see it being used for meat/milk/lab animals, but using it for domestic pets reduces the pets to the status of a commodity.

              • I’m not sure how common it is. I had never heard of it in my 12+ years of breeding, and none of the breeders I work with have either. In my opinion it is not natural, nor is it humane, no matter what the intended purpose.

          • Sarah, I think you did a great job (as usual) in exposing this and it must have been a bit difficult because you have connections in breeding fraternity as I understand it.

            I feel that cat breeders can tend to loss their moral compass in their search for financial profit. The story does not surprise me.

            Perhaps, too, a lot of cat breeders are not that well educated if we are honest or am I being unkind?

            But education helps to prevent abuse of animals I believe.

            • The name “Silver Lining” and “Ray of Hope” were given to the kittens as they were first to believed to be a natural mutation of the Sphynx breed. It was at a time when HCM (genetic heart disease) in the Sphynx breed was, and still is, a very difficult and ever present disease that plagues the Sphynx breed. It was hopeful that these two mutant babies could be a “ray of hope” and “silver lining” behind the dark cloud that hangs over the Sphynx breed. As it turned out, the DNA test I had done by Leslie Lyons of UCDavis proved the mutant babies to not be related to the Sphynx breed. The suggestion “there is a faint hint of financial reward in the names” is completely wrong. It had nothing to do with financial reward. It was only a Hope of possibly starting a new genetic line to help save the Sphynx breed from the destruction of HCM.

              • Thanks a lot for commenting Patti. Very nice of you and much appreciated. I’ll amend the article to delete the reference you have quoted.

    • We don’t need cat breeds at all. They are a human invention for financial profit, human amusement and status. I wish there were no cat breeds and no dog breeds. Breeding can lead to animal abuse.

      • Michael, I do agree that there is animal breeding that can lead to abuse. I have done my fair share of rescue and can attest to this. But please don’t paint all animal breeding with the same brush. There are breeders that are responsible, ethical breeders who have spent years studying pedigrees and testing their breeding lines for genetic faults and diseases so as to improve the breed they work with. As a result, we now have purebred dogs that are serving as dedicated service animals for forensic purposes, as well as those that serve our handicapped citizens and war veterans. They serve in the capacity of not only offering emotional support and companionship, but offer vitally important medical service as well. These dogs are bred for specific purposes in mind. There are also working dogs, bred to assist in farming and herding. Hearing aid dogs are a huge asset to humanity. Dogs for the visually impaired are priceless, as are dogs who serve those who are physically handicapped and wheelchair bound. Cats are now being recognized as therapy animals as well, not only for those suffering from depression and anxiety, but for the elderly who are in need of companionship. Studies have shown that owning a pet dog or cat can actually increase your life span and improve health and well being. Many feral cats often cannot fill this role due to their own specific needs and temperament. Many of them require special attention and devotion that those who suffer from anxiety, depression, dementia, autism, etc, cannot commit to. Supporting ethical breeders and breeding practices is an important role for all of us to participate in so as to bring humans and animals to a closer connection and inseparable bond of love, companionship, and service. Defining the proper role of what constitutes a “breeder” is what is needed most.

        • Hi Patti. I agree that there are many ethical and good cat breeders. The trouble there are also quite a few breeders who do things which I’d consider to be animal abuse. They would not think that, though. Just keeping breeding cats in cages is bad enough as far as I am concerned.

          I agree with a lot of what you say. Thanks for commenting.

          • Yes, I agree. Far too many animals being abused in the hands of unscrupulous people. It is the same with human baby’s being born to unfit parents. Even many pet owners are unfit owners and cause much grief for animals. The shelters are full of discarded animals as a result of irresponsible pet ownership. We as a society must begin taking responsibility for our actions and stop acting impulsively over cute kittens and puppy’s. We need to begin to assume the responsibility of long term commitment. Only as the public is made aware of humane, ethical, and proper breeding practices, as well as responsible pet ownership, will it bring a change. Public awareness helps. Redefining “ethical breeders” helps.

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