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Judge Judy is wrong in the matter of a cat who scratches a dog’s eye — 48 Comments

  1. It also occurred to me that there could have been a number of different animals in that bush that could have lashed out in defense. Dog owners have the means to keep their dogs safer than to let them stick their faces where they could be scratched or bitten by a hidden animal in a bush. Why no one else here and especially the judge failed to even consider that is just amazing to me.

  2. “It has to be said, in the USA, today, there are many laws which are gradually encroaching upon the historically free-roaming nature of the domestic cat.”

    OH NO. Can’t have a pet owner be responsible for their own pet can we?? Because history??

    OK listen. You’re an idiot, and I think somewhere deep down you must know you’re a fucking idiot. YOU HAVE TO. There’s no way in hell you are actually arguing that because (and this is a GRAVE injustice to the American people) there are no laws prohibiting your fucking cats from roaming and violating our property rights, you are not required to pay for DAMAGES incurred by your cats.

    Yes, it is legal for cats to roam in most places. NO, that does not mean that you get to shrug your cretinous shoulders if we have proof that you cat caused damage.

    Be happy that there is enough delusion in this world that allows people like you to neglect your pets and be cretins instead of decent people. But if your cat is caught causing damage then you DAMN WELL NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT! Don’t you think that’s the least you can do? You already have the privilege to let your pet roam on my property and slaughter animals for fun. NO, it’s not nature, you mouth-breathing cat nutter.

    Let’s be clear on something. Attitudes like yours are the reasons cats are nailed with air guns, found hanging dead from trees, and ‘disappearing’.

    • Charming comment….You miss the point. I am not for or against free-roaming cats. In the article I was simply commenting on the judge’s legal argument. You have simply attacked me because you incorrectly believe that I support free-roaming cats. I don’t. I support responsible cat ownership. I always have done.

      Read the article more carefully and before you attack people again think more and check more thoroughly.

      Sorry. You are a very rude, disrespectful person. You are a coarse person. You are a crude person and I’ll be rude in return: you’re stupid.

      • The ONLY valid point you had was about Judge Judy’s comparison of predation aggression to offensive aggression, however her argument still makes sense in the vain that cats have behaviors and instincts that might cause them to damage property or injure other pets and the idiots that free-roam their cats need to be prepared to accept that. They can let their cats roam but that doesn’t make their pets wildlife (that they destroy). That doesn’t give cat owners the right to do whatever the hell they want and get away with everything (if you really don’t support cat free-roaming how are you not enraged by this concept??)

        Your argument amounted to “there is no law preventing my kids from playing outside unsupervised therefore I don’t need to pay damages if they scratch your car, it was just a ‘natural accident'”. I was just so floored by your silly argument I just simply can’t see how you are claiming you are not a cat free-roamer supporter, and if you aren’t I apologize for that, but your argument is awful and empowers the cat whacks.

        • Well you are still wrong. I genuinely am not a free-roaming supporter. I am for responsible cat caretaking for the simple and obvious reason it protects cats. Sometimes free-roaming is okay but a lot of the time it is not. I am for large cat enclosures. And my article does not empower the “cat whacks” whoever they are. You are letting your anger and hatred (for whatever it is) to get in the way of sensible argument.

          My article is exclusively about Judge Judy’s decision and my conclusion is that it was an accident. If it was illegal to let cats go outside then my assessment would be different obviously. But it is legal to let go outside in that area.

          I wrote the following article in Nov 2015:

          https://pictures-of-cats.org/should-pet-owners-be-responsible-for-the-actions-of-their-cat.html

          It tells you my thoughts about cat owners’ responsibilities.

          I don’t think cat owners who let their cats go outside “get away with everything”. Your argument is too generalised and wild.

          • This is an older article but these are timeless and worth discussion, as usual, especially as they showcase your fair and honest views. Thank you Michael, literally a thousand times thank you.

    • Wow Melissa, if that’s who you are. Yeah, charming. I suspect you’re a notorious cat hater who lurks and pounces just like a cat at atories like this. I won’t say who you probably are as that would give you notoriety you’d enjoy, but your effusive vitriol is evident. You’re wrong in your assessment of this and just about every situation where you dump on cats, and that’s all I’ll say because I refuse to engage you, whoever you are.

  3. Animals need to be controlled by their owner. This is a common law in the states. If it was his cat, he is responsible. Natural behavior is thrown out the window in these cases. The cat should of been ‘controlled’ and so it is his owner’s fault in the eyes of the law. She certainly doesn’t explain the laws that were behind her judgement.

    I know that this may seem inappropriate at first look because it feels wrong. However, what if the situation was reverse. You had your cat out on a 20 foot leash attached to the front porch. An uncontrolled dog comes up and she goes to investigate. The dog attacks her. Wouldn’t we be calling for the blood of the dog’s owner? I certainly would.

    Sorry, I have to agree with the outcome, but not the way it was presented. Judge Judy is very loose on her presentation. She does sometimes explain the law, but most times she see doesn’t. Let me know your thoughts.

    OK. Came to decompress. Back to finals week 1 of 2

    • I know the laws vary greatly across the USA and I appreciate that Judge Judy may not feel it pertinent to specify which sections of legislation dictate her rulings.

      However, if this man lives in an area where local laws dictate that cats should not be outside unless under the “control” of their owner, then why was there no mention from the plaintiff (or JJ) about him being fined/getting into trouble with the local authorities? Surely that would have helped support the plaintiff’s case against him?

      I’m sorry for the dog, but I still maintain that without independent witnesses to corroborate the suspect and the plaintiff’s version of events, JJ is taking one person’s word over another’s. Would she give the same ruling if I said I saw someone vandalise my car, but had no witnesses? Perhaps the repair bill from the garage would be sufficient evidence to prove my case 😉

      • Unfortunately, she probably would. They pull the case from court and agree to let her settle it. She seems to choose who she feels is telling the truth and goes from there. Sometimes they are both liars and she tells them to settle it between themselves. She acts as if she is dealing with children, not adults.

        • To be fair to JJ, I’m sure she encounters a lot of idiots and has seen her fair share of bare faced liars. I guess she sometimes goes with her gut feeling as to who is telling the truth.

          In the UK, you need physical evidence or an independent witness to back up an accusation of crime. Many years ago we had the neighbour from hell. I won’t bore you with the very, lengthy list of his crimes against us, but the police would not get involved because we didn’t have a witness. The situation was only resolved when I made a complaint to the Race Relations board – my partner was French (lol). That got things moving and within an hour a local detective called me to say they could potentially prosecute him under stalker legislation.

          • That was a neat solution. Lateral thinking I think you call it. Perhaps the fact that Judge Judy’s court is a television studio rather than a real court and therefore there are hardly ever witnesses, the judge has to decide between two totally conflicting accounts and therefore has to make bold broadbrush decisions which seem crude by the standards of real hearings.

            • I guess the show is a televised version of the UK’s county courts? Though in my experience you can’t even get a case to court without evidence of some kind.

              I’ve only seen Judge Rinder a few times and notice although he doesn’t cite particular legislation, he does always point out whether something has legal relevance (or not) to a case.

            • It was the aftermath of Stephen Lawrence’s tragic murder, which changed the law so that it was up to victims (and not the police) to decide if they felt they were the victim or racial harrassment. Without that change in legislation I doubt the police would ever had got involved.

              Ironically it was the neighbour’s own dodgy goings-on which brought about his downfall. He got himself into trouble with the wrong kind of people and did a disappearing act. It was after that we sold up and moved to Cyprus.

            • Yes, a lot of weight is given to putting on a show that you’d never see in a real courtroom. Sometimes it give the impression that whoever she deems the loser in the case is so wrong that any court would rule the same way. I’d guess that in this case more courts would not rule the same as she than with her. She goofed on this one, for the reason that I said in my prior comment.

    • Correct.
      The proceedings are quite loose, because it’s an arbitration hearing that both parties agreed to participate in as opposed to a real civil hearing.
      In a real civil hearing, there would be much more detail and, I’m sure, that the gentleman would have been informed of the penalty for perjury before he was read his rights and cuffed at the end.

      • Exactly. In a real court he would of been fined for not controlling the cat and arrested for perjury. I like how JJ handles the idiots, deadbeats, etc. But in this case she was overbearing and obnoxious.

    • As I said in my comment, if either or any pet owner has the duty and expectation to control their pet it’s the dogs’. She let her dog stick it’s nose where she had a duty to her own dog not to for it’s own sake. To try to argue otherwise, and especially as you give no balance to your argument, I judge your comment in error and useless as a practical or legal matter. You’re just wrong.

    • Weird that in your first sentence you submarine your own conclusion. You stated that animals need to be controlled but you obviously aimed that at cats and not even the dog in this one case. You should pick your cases more intelligently if you want to present your cat-hating attitude in an intelligent manner and with an effective result. You lost credibility by your own failure to support your lead conclusion.

  4. I agree with Michael on this matter: Judge Judy is in the wrong.

    But, there is one point that I disagree with. I have been around dogs for over 45 years. They have a great sense of smell that allows them to smell things from afar. That said, I guarantee that the dog knew the cat was in the bushes. That is why the dog stuck his nose in the bush; to check out the cat. Maybe the dog liked cats. Maybe the dog wanted to eat the cat. We will never know. Sorry he lost his eye over this.

    • I think you are correct, on reflection. I also think that we can agree that the dog, inadvertently perhaps, started the confrontation or kicked off the attack by the cat. That should be a factor in the judge’s decision and goes a long way to describing what happened as an act of nature rather than trying to blame a person.

      • I have noticed that Judge Judy used to be “fair” in her verdicts, but is not so much any more. She appears to be more interested in her television persona and less with the actual legal aspects of each case.

        Which is quite sad for a so-called professional.

        Obviously, she is not an animal care giver, even if she has any at home. Anyone who spends quality time with dogs and cats knows their behavior and how much rubbish is being spewn during this trial.

        • Yes, I get the impression that she is simply deciding things on the basis of her gut feeling almost which is not very judicial. Perhaps being a television judge on what is almost a reality TV programme has undermined her ability to be judge-like.

          • She’s referred to as a judge (and, she really is), but in these circumstances, she functions as an arbitrator only.

    • No, there are probably urine smells from hundreds of animals all over that bush, all of which are stronger than a cat just sitting in there. And it doesn’t matter if the dog suspected or even knew the cat was there, the dog’s owner had responsibility to keep her pet’s face out of a place where it could have been scratched by a hidden animal of any kind. There could have been an opossum, a skunk, a raccoon, a squirrel, another dog, a snake, who knows what? Even if the cat was in full view, it’s the dog’s owner who has a leash on her pet and the responsibility and opportunity to keep it from possible harm. It’s weird how no one else gets that in this case, especially the judge.

  5. Judge Judy is definitely not a fan of cats it would appear. Then again she does (or did)have a couple of shih tzus.

    To me it appeared that she’d already reached her verdict before either party opened their mouths. She seemed quite hostile towards the defendant and refuted everything he said. The flawed logic she used to equate cats hunting birds with viewing dogs as prey was unbelievable, and surely a sign of an emotional rather than intellectual argument. She did not question one single thing that the claimant said – even when she said the cat grabbed her dog by the throat. Now Judy Judy says she “knows” cats, yet she didn’t find that strange, given that cats tend to bite into the neck of their prey.

    I’m not saying that the confrontation did not take place, but with no independent witness to corroborate the suspect I’m surprised at the verdict.

    • I don’t think she is a good judge or even a decent judge. I hate to say it but that is my impression having seen her a few times. I have be in front of some female judges and they can be truly nasty.

    • I agree that she may not care for cats, and that clouded her. But, I’ve seen enough of her over the years to know that lying in her courtroom really sends her over the moon. If the gentleman had not denied that the cat was his, maybe the outcome would have been a bit better. Perhaps, he would have been allowed to speak freely. But, if cat restrictions were in place in his county, he still would have had to pay the woman’s vet bills.

      • A judge shouldn’t become biased because she is irritated. Also if cat restrictions were in place in this county I don’t think it necessarily changes the outcome on compensation (although it might) because there has to be fault and if for example a cat was attacked by a dog outside (because the cat had escaped) and the cat fought back and hurt the dog would it be entirely fair to penalise the cat’s owner thousands of dollars?

        • Even though JJ is an actual judge, just like many others on TV, I have to keep reminding myself that her courtroom is the setting of a television program and that she is the main character. Survival of any program depends on viewers, and viewers want entertainment. She, certainly, provides that. I’m not sure that her rulings are even binding.

          • This is a bit of an old thread, but binding or not, those who lose don’t pay out of their pocket. If you read the small print that appear after the show, both parties get $5000 for participating as well as free round trip to LA, the losing party’s payment gets reduced by the fine. So in this case, the cat owner got $1000, the dog owner got $9000. Sure, the cat’s owner got only a small part of the appearance fee, but he didn’t walk away empty-handed.

            There was a case in 2014 when three guys made up a case to get on the show, get a free trip to LA and pocket the money.

            • Yes you are correct that it’s moreover a show where no one really loses anything, it seems, but I don’t know that for sure. The judge has a moral duty to exercise proper jurisprudence, and I think she missed it on this one. As I said she didn’t even consider that the dog’s owner has at least an equal (if not total) duty to control or safeguard her own pet, but let it stick it’s nose where she could have prevented it and with full knowledge that any animals could have been hidden in that bush that could have injured her pet. If either owner had to take full blame, I believe this should have been the dogs’. Nothing was gained or learned from this case other than the judge was wrong, incomplete, flawed, overbearing, biased, ineffective, nasty and sent the wrong legal and practical conclusions to millions of viewers. I’d have said that even if I didn’t like cats.

  6. Dear Michael_This case is without a doubt an act of nature and therefore should have been ruled as dismissible in a court of law. That’s the way I see it.

    Someone appears biased in favoring one side only ?

  7. Dee, Do you know what the “given” consequences are to an “unleashed” or unsupervised cat?

    • I can only attest to the penalties that I incurred about 5 years ago before TRN came into effect here and I could register my cats and protect them. I was fined hundreds of dollars.

      Any free-roaming cat is fair game for animal control to confiscate.
      They can be retrieved at the county shelter for $50 per cat if you get there fast enough before they are killed, which happens almost immediately if they are feral. A tagged or microchipped domesticated cat will cost the same and will be held 72 hours.

      Any cat, even under the supervision of their caretaker, can be inquired about by animal control. A caretaker may be asked to provide proof of rabies vaccination. Failure to present costs $54 per cat.

      There is a whole other set of fines related to tampering with any animal control trap too. That’s a whole other adventure for me that I can’t discuss until the Statute of Limitations runs out. LOL!

        • We have laws that require owners to control their animals. There was a huge battle. One side was complaining that animals were roaming free on their property. The other that their animals were being killed by their neighbors. A solution had to be come up with. Owner control of animal was the outcome. I used to read the afternoon paper while I folded them for my route as a pre-teen. It was debated for quite sometime here in Arizona. As a cat lover, I was naturally interested.

          • Yes, I have come to understand the principles behind owners controlling their animals. I can understand the reasons behind the laws. It is interesting though that it is very different in the UK. There is never any talk about cat owners having to control their cats. It doesn’t enter the minds of people or if it does it is rare. It makes me wonder where that stark difference in attitude comes from.

            • I think it is the me vs. you attitude here in the states vs. animals behave that way in the UK?

              Litigation is rampart here. People sue over every little issue forcing laws like this to be created. If people respected each other, it would be different.

  8. Actually, I’m of the impression that this incident took place in the front yard of the dog owner’s house and not a condo or apartment. The reason I say that is that there is mention of the area being a neighborhood and the gentleman said that he lived four doors down and on the other side of the street from the ladies. Homes with garages are very common here.
    I, also, have a feeling that Judge Judy didn’t cite any law, because it might have been a “given” that the cat needed to be under supervision. In most places, even without a specific ordinance in regard to leashing a cat, the law will state that a cat must be under the control of the caretaker at all times when outside and off property.
    I agree that it was a terrible accident, but I think Judge Judy had to follow the law.

    • Thanks Sandy. You are probably right. Perhaps we haven’t seen the whole trial. She may have mentioned it. I would have thought she would have referred to the law in her judgment. That is what judges do.

      Do we know where the incident took place? It was not clear to me.

  9. I agree that it was an unfortunate incident, and not intended aggression from either animal.

    It makes me wonder how Judge Judy feels about cats…
    since she’s taking the dog guardian’s side, and also not citing any laws.

    I just found out yesterday, that there’s a law in my city against outdoor cats. The management in our mobile home park is planning to trap any cats that are outside, which is basically a death sentence. There are several that have been left by tenants who’ve died or moved. I feed several that are just on my street.

    Immediately after this article in our newsletter, they talk about using pest control to get rid of mice and rats. What’s wrong with this picture?

    • Sandra, RUN, RUN, RUN to the nearest Rescue group involved in TNR in your area and get the cats in your park protected under their umbrella.

      • Thank you Dee, I will call Forgotten Felines. I know they have helped in other mobile home parks.

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