People who criticise the cat for preying on small mammals and birds should be less vocal and outspoken and reconsider.
For 99% of the entire time of the cat’s domestication which began around 9,500 years ago we wanted our cat to prey on small mammals which nearly always included rodents. This was the main reason for keeping a cat; to keep down rodents and “pests”. Domestic cats were much more indoor/outdoor cats. They spent far more time outdoors. Companionship came second and the relationships between cat and human was less close. There was a distinct utility element to the relationship.
Recently, over the past 100 years, people have demanded something entirely different from their cat. The priority now is companionship. It is more than a priority. For 99% of cat owners, companionship is the sole reason for keeping a cat while preying on mammals and birds has become a nuisance to people.
But we changed the goal posts didn’t we? We can’t expect the cat to erase millions of years of evolution overnight. Remember the domestic cat is a domesticated wildcat. We can change what we want from a cat. We can change our minds but we can’t expect the cat to throw a switch and satisfy our desires overnight. The domestic cat is changing but there is a long way to go.
We’ll have to wait thousands of years before the domestic cat turns into a piece of fluffy furniture, which is what some people quite like nowadays.
So, people who criticise the cat for preying on native species and birds should be more tolerant and remember that people domesticated the cat to prey on animals that were considered a nuisance. We should give the domestic cat some leeway and accept the cat’s natural instinct to hunt, an attribute that at one time we admired.
Hypocrites make me sick!
Another great poster Ruth. Humans can be very arrogant and hypocritical. Cats don’t the meaning of these words. It amazes me how blind humankind cat be.
It’s an old one from a PoC article I wrote ages ago, it seemed fitting for this discussion.
Cats do get rid of rodents. My childhood cat Tigger kept the mole, vole and shrew population down to almost nothing in our yard while she was alive. She was a stray we took in. Before her the yard was full of those tunnels the little buggers made in the soft soil. After she came, that stopped– the ground was flat and solid everywhere. She sat by the entrance to those mole tunnels and would wait for hours. When one poked his nose out POW! She had him. Our front steps were constantly littered with entrails. She did also decrease the bird population. Now that the feral colony was wiped out by coyotes, the bird population, like the moles, recovered in one year.
Most pet cats don’t have a huge impact on local wildlife. But she had been abandoned and the feral cats had no choice. That’s the fault of humans. But barn cats do reduce rodent populations. I grew up near the country and farmers knew the difference when they had cats who were good hunters and cats who weren’t. I would say some cats reduce rodent populations, but just getting a cat to do this job is no guarantee. This may be because slowly, over time, we are breeding out the genes of the best hunters. Monty is a terrible hunter. Nature would have taken him out by now. I’m not going to let him breed, but not all humans get their cats neutered. The terrible hunters live to pass on those genes. And although my parents are enjoying seeing more birds, their yard in the summer again is a mass of ankle twisting mole tunnels you can barely walk across. Tigger decreased the bird population, but she decimated the mole population. It is certainly possible many of the rodents simply moved into the ravine, but they weren’t up by the house, and they weren’t tunneling in the yard, so that was good enough for us. Walking around squishing down their tunnels does nothing to discourage them, but a cat grabbing at least one of them every day was pretty effective.
Thank you Ruth. There are also the feral cats. There are similar numbers of feral cats to domestic cats and they prey on rodents.
Woody is just messing around. He hasn’t got the faintest idea and his thoughts are distorted by his demented attitude towards cats. Sad.
Cats make good rodent control is a centuries’ old myth.
The rodents reproduce in burrows and holes out of the reach of cats, where they are happy to reproduce forever to entertain cats the rest of their lives, and make your own lives miserable, on into infinity. On top of that, when cats infect rodents with cat’s Toxoplasma gondii parasite, this hijacks the minds of rodents to make the rodents attracted to where cats urinate. (Google for: Parasite Hijacks the Mind of Its Host) Cats actually attract disease-carrying rodents to where cats are (and the cats then contract these diseases on contact with, or being in proximity to, these rodents). Further increasing the cat/rodent/disease density of this happy predator/prey balance. It has been documented many many times. The more cats you have, the more rodents you get.
Look at any island that had cats imported to take care of the imported rodents hundreds of years ago as some simple and concrete proof of this cat/rodent balance. All the native wildlife is either gone or on the brink of extinction with nothing but a healthy population of cats and rodents thriving on into infinity. Cats DO NOT get rid of rodents! I don’t care how many centuries that fools will claim that cats keep rodents in-check, they’ll still be wrong all these centuries. Civilizations of humans have come and gone in great cities like Egypt, yet their cats and rodents remain in even greater pestilent numbers.
No cat population anywhere has EVER been able to control rodents. But native predators can — easily.
Keep deceiving yourselves.
Woody, you had better keep it polite and no CAPITAL LETTERS please. Don’t write things like this: “Keep deceiving yourselves.” That is rude. If you do that again you’ll be banned again until you improve.
You have totally missed the point of the article as usual because of your demented mentality. To clarify (as you need this) the point is that we (people) domesticated the wildcat for the purpose of keeping down rodent populations in settlements and the wildcat liked to be domesticated. We now have a different reason for domesticating the cat: companionship. We cannot therefore blame the cat for her predatory urges. I hope you can understand that point which is independent of the cat’s effectiveness in hunting rodents.
Incidentally, if the domestic cat is a less effective predator than before it is because of domestication. I also made the point that the cat is changing in the article.
What if there were no cats? Do you think there would be a plague of rats?
Michael, in the future, you might want to give yourself a little time to calm down before replying to something like B.Travis’ post. This reply of yours is just as inappropriate as his. First paragraph: appropriate. Second paragraph: “your demented mentality”? Not appropriate; personal attack, rather than appropriate correction.
p.s. I would have sent this, more appropriately, via private message, if you would only provide a “Contact us” method.
Hi, the thing is you have not read all his comments (a lot of them). This person is Woodsman under one of his many aliases. His comments have been appalling and yes demented. They are full of trolling bias and disgusting violence. He says he shoots cats by the hundreds. He makes ridiculous statements against the cat endlessly. Sorry, but I know him very well through the mad comments he makes. He deliberately toned down his last comment (the one I responded to) to get it published. He knows I’ll delete it if it is the usual rubbish.
See also this page which shows some of the IP addresses, emails and names he employs:
https://pictures-of-cats.org/Psychology-of-the-Internet-Troll.html
I was extremely calm and actually bored when I wrote my comment.
If you look at the top of the website you’ll see “(contact)” that is where my contact details are in full including telephone number and address. 😉
I apologize for missing the “contact” link (it IS very easily missed, and no, I don’t apologize for the capitals).
His history is irrelevant. Why he hasn’t been banned is something you may want to reconsider. The fact is your personal attack is still inappropriate.
I have banned him but he constantly creates new aliases. Perhaps you are Woodsman? I don’t know. I believe his history is extremely relevant because he has shown himself to be a nasty troll and a rampant cat hater and killer. Do I accept that sort of person on PoC? Most sites are far stricter than me.
This has to be Woody in yet another guise, nobody but himself would stick up for him in this way, he has no friends. Woody why don’t you go out and get a job or do something useful?
He is pretending his is a soft, gentle woman. Bit sad isn’t it?
Woody’s history has everything to do with what Michael said. I have saved a lot of his comments, even some before Michael had a chance to delete. I can show you some really cruel and raw ones if you like. I’m sorry that he wasn’t standing in front of me when he called me (and someone else) here a c*nt or P*ssy!
I would really like to give him some credit for his recent attempts to be civil, but I can’t because of his history of insults and name calling.
Thanks Dee for the backup 😉
I don’t care about his history. That’s relevant only to whether he’s banned or not. What’s relevant to this conversation is Michael’s response to him. Resorting to personal attack in response to “Woody’s” post(s) is just lowering yourself to his level, which isn’t a good thing. When you do what he does, you lose your right to complain about what he does. If you can’t see that, you’re no better than he is.
OwnedByCalico – no way to reply to your latest comment so will do it here.
I’m disappointed, Woody. Just when I felt you may be, actually, making a rational comment, you just had to slip an insult in.
Michael has the right to reply to bitter and twisted comments in any way he chooses, it’s HIS web site and he deserves the highest respect from all visitors. We don’t see half the angry disgusting violent comments Woody makes under various aliases, but the ones we do see are bad enough. Michael shouldn’t have to read them in order to protect us, but he does!