Why Did You Adopt Your Cat?

Why did you adopt your cat? Deciding to adopt a “pet” is a big step. It is a lifestyle change. It is for the life of the cat. The adoption will have a big impact on your life for a long time. So why did you do it? Did you consider all the ramifications?

Michael and Charlie Selfie

Michael and Charlie Selfie 5th April 2014 at 1 pm.

Because the adoption of a domestic cat carries with it such a profound change to a person’s life you could say that the person wants their life to change. If the person wants their life to change, you could also say that the person is unhappy with their life as it is. A person is unlikely to change a life they are happy with it because it may make things worse.

If a person is unhappy with their life they might decide to make some changes to try and improve it and sometimes the changes that they wish to make includes the adoption of a domestic cat. Is it always the right choice? What kind of change in an individual’s lifestyle does the introduction of a pet imply?

You don’t need to read all this article, if you don’t want to. However, I would like you to leave a comment in which you tell me why you adopted your cat. If there are 40 comments I will give a $40 Amazon voucher to the comment that I think is the best.

New Relationship

One reason for adopting a cat into a household is to create the opportunity to form a new relationship. Every cat caretaker forms some sort of relationship with their cat. Not every cat owner does, however. Nonetheless, the formation of a new stable relationship is one reason why a person adopts a cat. The relationship that many cat caretakers develop with their cat is similar to the relationship that they would have with a person. They also frequently referred to their cat as a family member. And many people relate to their cat as a child, while children might relate to the family cat as a sibling.

Did you adopt your cat because you wanted a more reliable relationship? Cats are more reliable than boyfriends and girlfriends.

Or perhaps, you just got divorced and you wanted to plug the relationship hole. Or perhaps, it makes you feel good to look after a domestic cat. It satisfies your need to nurture and look after another animal.

One of the most commonly mentioned reasons for keeping a pet animal is for the companionship. Companionship means doing things together. A cat caretaker can play with her cat, talk to her cat, receive feedback from her cat by way of body language, routine and even through talking because a good cat caretaker will understand cat talk.

When, and how long, an interaction between a person and a cat takes place is generally dictated by the person. In other words, a person can stop her interaction with her cat whenever she likes, which is something a person cannot do when interacting with another person. Is this one reason why some people prefer a relationship with a cat?

There is no doubt that very many cat owners consider that they share activities with their cat on an equal footing. The relationship is one of mutual assistance, which is similar to the sort of mutual assistance that takes place between people. Many marriages, perhaps all marriages at a certain stage in the marriage are founded upon the idea of mutual assistance-the relationship becomes something practical but also very loving.
Kids also benefit from having a cat around the house. A lot of children enjoy a relationship with the family cat. The cat can have a calming influence on a child who may be hyperactive. Very many children and young adults receive a lot of satisfaction, love, self-esteem and support from the presence of the domestic cat. I am sure that this is one reason why adult people who are parents adopt a cat.

Confiding In a Pet

A person can confide in his or her pet with the utmost confidence because there is no risk of betrayal. A person can express his or her most intimate feelings and thoughts when confiding in her cat. Obviously, a cat will not understand the language of the person and therefore some people would argue that when a person confides in a cat, the person is in effect talking to herself and simply offloading some of her problems. I would disagree with this. I do not think it is as simple as that. Cats can pick up on a person’s emotional state and provide comfort. There is a lot of intuitiveness in a cat’s behaviour.

Reliability of the Relationship

The domestic cat is far more reliable than the domestic man or woman! “Pets” are more consistent in their behaviour than humans. Therefore, a relationship with a cat is likely to be more constant and reliable than a human–human relationship. This must surely be one reason why a person adopts a domestic cat.


A relationship with a cat can give a person and perhaps more often a child a feeling of self worth and higher self-esteem. When a person looks after a cat he or she recognises that the cat is dependent upon her, which creates a responsibility which is then discharged successfully by a good cat caretaker. This must lead to improved self-esteem. For a child, self-esteem is extremely important as it builds confidence and in the world today confidences everything. If a child can successfully created a mutually supportive relationship with a cat and look after the family cat it does the child a lot of good emotionally and psychologically.


It is probably common knowledge that a lot of people feel for their cat resembles the affection that they feel for a person. Cat owners believe that they not only can give their love but receive it. They probably do receive it, which prevents criticism from people who say that when a person loves her cat she loves her car in the same way.

Expectations of Pet Ownership

The positive expectations of pet ownership in a study included the following:

Companionship, friendship, pleasure gained from watching, stroking-pleasure gained from tactile contact with their cat, affection-receiving love from the cat, training-some people gain pleasure from training their dog (few train cats), relaxation-people find cats relax them, nurture-people like the opportunity to nurture, meaning take care of their cat, self-esteem-people gain self-worth when caring for their cat, responsibility-caring for a cat provides a purpose, play-people enjoy playing with their cat, family extension-cats are seen as family members, gentleness-interacting with a cat encourages a person to behave gently, consideration-caring for a cat encourages a person to be more considerate, security (dog usually)-the presence of the dog provides a feeling of security, entertainment-cats entertain, loyalty-people feel that their cat is loyal to them which is pleasurable and finally exercise which applies more to caring for a dog companion.

The negative expectations and aspects of cat caretaking include: cost, mess, noise, damage and injury.

My Reasons for Adopting a Cat

A lot of people will adopt a cat because they simply like cats and they have a strong desire to look after a cat and/or a person. They don’t think beyond that emotional response, which is completely to be expected and normal. That would apply to me in large part. In addition, I have a need to help the vulnerable and in my instance I have always rescued a cat under a variety of circumstances. There are lots of cats that need rescuing and they come to us. So for me, rescuing and caring for a cat satisfies a personal need.

Perhaps the greatest motivator for me is the need to nurture and be the carer for an animal (although it can also be a human animal) that requires my care. I’m sure that there are a lot of people who adopt a cat the same reasons as me.

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Why Did You Adopt Your Cat? — 69 Comments

  1. Hi Michael,

    Purrsonally, I don’t think that “WE” adopt the kitties- they find us! Although we may THINK that we are adopting the cat, when we arrive at the shelter or breeder who has a kitty up for adoption, the cats are sending kitty vibes to us- which enters our brains and we pick them.

    For example- years ago Marty and I visited a breeder to adopt a white female Oriental adult kitty who had almost finished her show career in National Finals in the Premiership class. She had developed Pyometria (uterine infection) so she had to be spayed- but continued to rise up to the top of her classes in the neuter/spay division.

    We fell in love with her immediately- she was simply magnificent- and she jumped into my lap- all seemed like it was a go. The breeder delivered her to us along with Dr. Hush Puppy who was a 3 month old kitten at the time. We weren’t looking for a second cat, but Puppy jumped onto my head (literally) and started purring like a diesel engine. We HAD to have him.

    Puppy adjusted immediately- loved on us and was very active running around the house. But Izzy was not keen on our home and hated being there. She hid under the couch for 7 weeks, coming out only to eat and use the litter box- or when we weren’t in the room. We felt so sorry for her- I called the breeder who agreed to take her back and keep her forever.

    The next day the breeder called me and asked me if I wanted to adopt a white male Oriental kitten- who’s eye was covered with a membrane which had to be surgically removed. I agreed to pay the cost of the surgery. About a week later, after he recovered, the breeder brought him up to our home and picked up Izzy.

    Of course the kitten was Sir Hubble Pinkerton- and he was immediately- I mean IMMEDIATELY accepted by our other cat, Mousie Tongue. Mousie slapped him upside the head, hissed at him once, and then proceeded to groom him until he was satisfied that he was sufficiently clean.

    So I do think our cats find us! All we need to do is to listen to their call:)

    • Lovely story I enjoyed reading it. Cats do have a big say in whether we adopt them or not but there is something going on inside our heads too. we have to be amenable to the idea. We have to be ready and open and the cat lover is always ready. And something has to click. Sometimes, perhaps a cat can almost force himself on. He turns up and you can’t say no. Sometimes the cat lover has difficulty saying no.

    • exactly jo they sure do choose us its amazing how cats just know we are good caring and safe people thats certainly true for most of the cats i have now

  2. I chose to adopt Monty because he needed me. I really would have preferred to adopt a full grown cat. Kittens are a lot of work. But that tiny black kitten needed me. At first I sometimes wished for a more uncomplicated life– caring for a kitten, especially a feral who had a URI and was riddled with parasites is no easy task. But he needed me. There were no guarantees someone would adopt him. I was the one who caught him. If not me, then who? I also knew from the moment I took him home that someday I would mourn for that little black cat, someday he will break my heart. That day is yet to come. Until then I cherish every moment and I wonder that I ever even thought twice about taking on the job of being Monty’s Mom. He has more than repaid me for anything I have done for him.

    What would it have been like to have faced FQ antibiotic poisoning without Monty here? Jeff is working extra hours and I have been forced to work less. It would have been horrible to sit here all alone every day with my body going crazy, doing all kinds of weird things, with no guarantee of any sort of recovery. Most of the literature says FQ Toxicity Syndrome is uncurable with many symptons becoming permanent. But with Monty here with me each day that I must stay home to relax and try to heal is a day to spend with him. We share quiet moments in the back garden enjoying the spring sunshine and when I lie down to listen to some music he joins me for a “concert” too. Perhaps it is wishful thinking that he seems to enjoy the music! But at least I am not alone. Some days about all I can manage is to care for Monty– food, water and litter box scooping– but at least I did that. I need him as much as he ever needed me.

  3. Hi Michael,My parents and I have 5 cats between us and as I’ve decided to move back home to care for my sick parents,all the cats have to try and get along.One of my furkid’s Hendrix,I adopted when he was 7 weeks old and he is now 4 years old.His cat mum Shiloh was handed in to a shelter just over a year ago and when I saw her picture on the website I just had to adopt her.She is a beautiful cat and being my little man’s mum I thought how nice it would be to have them back together again but Hendrix and his mum don’t get along and it breaks my heart.As Hendrix has now been diagnosed with behavioural problems, he must see a animal behaviourist.I will do everything in my power for this mother and son to get along and love each other as much as I love them.The other 3 cats we have were more than likely dumped next door(a vet surgery) and made their way into our home for a feed and we have adopted them also.They are all beautiful cats and I love them with all my heart,they are the best company in the world.So whether you go out to adopt them or they find their way to you it’s all about loving,caring and knowing that our lives are so much better when humans and cats are one big happy family.

    • Hi Ali, nice comment. I enjoyed reading it. It’s a bit sad about Hendrix. Have you any idea why Hendrix does not go along with his mum? That would upset me as well. I wonder how often mother and son don’t get along in the world of cats. I had not thought about that in respect of the domestic cat.

      • Thanks Michael,No we don’t know why they don’t get along,the vet said because of Hendrix’s bad behaviour towards her she is scared of him but things might change between them if they can find the right treatment for Hendrix to calm him down and then Shiloh won’t be so upset.I have never thought of mother,son etc in the domestic cat world not getting along either,all i hope is that it doesn’t happen too often..Keep up the good work Michael,I really enjoy reading your articles and comments.

        • There may be some sort of fundamental behaviour pattern going on that reflects the sort of behaviour that takes place in the wild amongst wild cat species. The male offspring of wild cat species leave the family home at a certain age and find their own place to live, which is called their “home range”. It may be the case that Hendrix has an urge to do that but is forced to be in an environment where his mother lives in close proximity which may cause him to be stressed slightly which in turn may lead to bad behaviour. A lot of so-called bad behaviour in the domestic cat is caused by stress and the cause of the stress can be hard to locate sometimes.

  4. And then there is Marvin. Oh my. What a hunk. His story is all over POC, and many of the regulars know this hunk of orange. Again, being a domesticated feral cat, he did the deciding. I was doing the weekend feed at the school of the local feral cats. I had known Marvin for several years. One Saturday morning while feeding him, he was extra cozy and snugly. I looked him in the eye, and in that moment I felt so much love for him. He gazed back at me, and I know he felt the love burst. He followed me home, and the rest is history. Who chose whom? What a guy he is too.

    • DW, you fell in love with each other! I guess that can happen between cat and person. You can get an instant connection and you know that you have a relationship which will last. You know that you should be with each other. That is a great reason for adopting a cat, the best reason of all.

      • So true. I knew we really liked each other, but of course the food helps I thought. But I really think Marvin was waiting to actually feel the love. Not just me, doing my duty to feed him. Once that love connection was made, there was no turning back. Starting to sound like a romance novel?

        • Monty is doing great! He loves this time of year– no bees out there so I can trust him to be out on his own. No vegetation yet, so I can see him at a glance out the window. He has been spending hours out there every day.

          I am not well, but I’m getting used to managing my FQ Antibiotic Toxicity Syndrome. It may very well be permanent, but it is manageable and I can live a somewhat normal life between relapses. Monty has me at home with him a lot more. I can teach and play the organ (barely) but my PTA career is probably over.

  5. Before Bigfoot walked into my life, I had been courting a beautiful yellow cat that was quite feral. I thought the cat was male, but she turned out to be quite the lady. I tried and tried for months to feed her. It was a challenge. We were playing the power game. She wanted it her way, I wanted it my way. In the end, she won and won my heart. She died just over a week ago, which is a whole other story. But during the some four or five, maybe more, years we played our game, I never touched her. Making a long story short, she eventually did live at my house,outside, but only and always on her terms. I think I decided to ‘adopt’ her, the first week I saw her. I never accomplished that, but we had a beautiful relationship just the same. In this case, you would have to ask her why and when she made the decision to trust me enough to live near me.

    • This was a beautifully respectful adoption because you gave her all the space she needed but cared for her at the same time. It doesn’t get better nor does it get more respectful and this is what great cat caretaking is all about. Perhaps when you are ready DW you will write an “in memory” article about beautiful Yellow.

      • I will Michael. I still have post traumatic stress around the adventure, and I miss her terribly. It is still quite raw.

        • DW, I owe you a $40 Amazon voucher because you made the best comments on this page. I promised that in the article. Would you like me to organise a $40 Amazon voucher for you? I loved your comments by the way.

          • Wow Michael. What a nice email notification. Sorry I’ve been spotty on POC lately. Yeterday was my birthday, thanks for this gift! Will you please send the e-voucher to Dee. She can always use cat foot and more for her huge burden of love. And she is very dear to me. That would make me happy.

  6. I enjoyed reading the comments. It is interesting that most folks, like me, say the cat found and chose them. But actually, at some point, there really is a decision to be made. It gets clouded by those of us who love the company of cats, but if I really think about it, there was always one tiny point in time, where the decision was made. I can start with my Bigfoot, who just wandered onto the property. He seemed to know exactly what he was doing. I recall at one point, my dog Daisy actually chased him. I tried to call her off, but off they went. Bigfoot ran like a pro. He didn’t seem afraid at all, just annoyed. The next day, there were a few neighborhood kids doing chalk paint on my sidewalk, while I was visiting with a friend on the porch. Up walks Bigfoot, head and tail high, saying first hello to the kids, then headed straight my way. I wondered who he belonged to. He seemed skinny, so I borrowed some kibble from a neighbor who I knew kept cats. He ate, then continued to be very social. Almost primping, like a Peacock might. “Look at me, aren’t I cute?” I noticed his feet were enormous for a small cat. It looked like he had way too many toes, and true it was. Polydactyl tabby.

    My friend had her camera and took a few pictures of him, so I could try and find his owners. Attached is a picture of that first day. I posted on Craigs list, called the shelter, posted pictures around town. Days went by. I kept feeding him. Finally we decided to let him in the house, even though we had never had a cat during the then 11 years we had 95 lb Daisy the dog. I knew that if I invited him in the house, everything would change. I did, and it did. The rest is History. He taught Daisy how to have a cat, and he moved into an upstairs bedroom and has barely left since. The moment I decided, and why, was I knew the change would be formidable seeming, but I had the time.

    • but if I really think about it, there was always one tiny point in time, where the decision was made

      I agree. That decision is an instant lifelong commitment. Although it is an instantaneous decision it is a very big one. It’s exactly the way it happened between me and Charlie. I saw him at my mother’s home looking scared and anxious. He had not seen my mother for about 2 weeks because she had died 2 weeks earlier. I was up there to decide which possessions to take, saw him and then instinctively without really thinking consciously I decided to take him home. Perhaps my mother was telling me to do it. It was almost like an outside force was telling me to take him home but it was probably an instinctively right thing to do because he needed me. When a cat needs me, or I believe he needs me, he has me, I give myself to him.

  7. Cats make me complete. They are such a huge part of my life it would just be empty without them. I’ve grown up with cats and the gaps without them (albeit short) were some of the worst times of my life. Yes I’ve loved and lost many, many times but I’m a firm believer in ‘Better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all’

    We’ve adopted for different reasons but usually strays or from rescue centres and yes cats do tend to find us as well. Strays for example just in the last couple of years; A Tuxedo cat started hanging around so we fed him but he got run over then came Mr Grey who we fed sadly same happened to him now Mr Jinx who we fed for about a year who is now in the house after breaking his leg. Seems one leaves and another shows up.

    All I can say is I adore cats they have helped me be a better person.

  8. A home without a cat is simply a house. I need other life-forms around, but I’m not too fond of humans except in small doses. Hence cats.

    • Nice answer to the question in the title of the article. I think a lot of people have similar ideas. I have to confess, though, that for me I do need a person in my life despite the fact that I love Charlie my cat companion.

  9. I think in most cases it’s not the person who makes the decision to adopt a cat, it’s either the cat itself who decides or circumstances that make adoption inevitable, for example in the case of our family, Kitty has been treated badly and taken to the vets where Ruth worked to be PTS, it was obvious what would follow…Ruth brought her home and there she stayed for 11 years. Bert’s mother Mrs Cat used to call for food each night, she then decided to bring us 2 kittens and Bert was so at home he had to stay for the rest of his life when Mrs Cat and Olive went to new homes, Felix, well yes he was planned and much looked forward to and was a treasured soul mate for his whole life, Alice was an orphan who’s family had been attacked and killed by a dog, she was in desperate need of a home and we had a space and love to spare, Ebony came from CP, a feline sister to us and loved so much and missed to this day, Bryan was almost drowned but fate brought the kids who found him to our door and he moved in with us that day, Popsy was abused but found love and happiness in her short life with us and now Walter, the only cat we have ever paid for who came from an awful home and Jozef who we drove many miles to adopt, they all give so much back in love and humour, and worry, I can’t remember what it was like to not have a cat in our home.

    • exactly thats esp true of rebel he choose me. I was looking at other cats but as soon as i picked him up he relexed he didnt complain and when i put him in carrycage he just walked straight on in. hes been my big baby Ginger fluffy.

  10. I somehow had a love for animals since childhood always having some pet in my house.I was actually a “Dog Man” before becoming a “Cat Man” due to circumstances as cats are easier to maintain compared to dogs.I find “COMPANIONSHIP” in pets and at present both my cats “Matahari” and “Matata” help me de-stress during my work schedules at home.He was like a small child, very intelligent and responsive, a part of my family. I was devastated at the recent death of my 22 year old Alexandrine Parakeet “Mittoo” and i got him a second life through taxidermy. He now sits on a perch in my house reminding me of the good and bad times we shared together.I have attatched a photograph of “Mittoo” in his new avatar at home.

    • Nice comment, Rudolph. I think you explained it very well. To me, it is almost instinctive to look after a cat. I find it hard to think of a life without looking after a cat and having a cat as a companion. It is a way of life. I think the points that I make in the article are valid and I believe that the 2 main reasons why people look after a cat are (A) companionship and (B) the natural instinct and need for a person to nurture and care for another.

      • exactly lovely to see how your early love of animals i always loved cats but wasnt aware of the love till later on in my 20s or until my health got worse. Love taht photo its amazing.

    • I just love seeing pictures from your home in India, Rudolph. It seems like such an exotic, interesting place. Your animal companions are such a big part of what makes your house in India a home. I feel that way about my house– Monty is like the very soul of this place. When he has had to be at the vet for awhile for observation, the house amd yard felt wrong without him.

      • Thanks for the compliments Ruth.Thanks to the “INTERNET” and a common passion for cats that we all can get an understanding into different cultures and life-styles.I would be lost in a lonely house without a pet, be it any Country or city.

  11. well i adopted my kitties as they are my friends/children for company for love. When the world or people let you down, animals never do they are always there. as i write this jasmin is snuggling and cuddling up to me looking at me. trying to take a pics of us together but so hard when dooing it yourself. Just wanted to say great to see another good article. havent been around much as i been abit low. Weather been abit cloudly rainy and cold. Just changed to daylight saving so we went back an hour so are at same time as uk instead later on. still ahead though lol 🙂



      You have a very strong nurturing desire which needs to be expressed and I can tell that you have a lot of empathy for animals. I’m sure that you can feel when they are content or sad etc and you cannot but help when an animal needs help. You are a classic animal lover and it comes from this emotional connection.

    • Love your comment, Nancy.
      I’ve never really formally adopted a cat from a person or shelter. I never had to.
      Like you, I’ve had them come out of nowhere. If they don’t just appear here, they’re roaming streets and parking lots or open fields. I think that I come across them because it’s just meant to be. Surprisingly, many people don’t see them. I can’t count the times that I have made a screeching halt while driving, backed up, and either fed a hungry cat or taken one home. My passengers usually know that they MUST have their seatbelts on tightly, because I may slam those breaks at any time.

  13. It seems cats just find me.And if they did nt ,I d find them.I love my kitties.They need me as much as I need them.Just holding a cat mak
    es me feel alive.

    • Thanks Ruth. It was a 1st time “success” (of sorts). You only get one chance with a cat! I thought about having a cat caretaker with cat selfie page because at the moment the selfie is all the rage! I think they are called “jointies” or something like that when 2 people are involved. Perhaps they are called “couplies”.

      • I hadn’t heard of the jointies or couplies lol I wonder if our boyz would let us take some with them for your page, it’s rare they will co-operate to pose with us, more by luck we can get any photos of them that way lol
        The selfies of people were all over facebook and raised millions for cancer research UK, this was devastating to those of us who hate that they torture animals in the name of science, they have done for over a hundred years and still no cure and never will be that way.
        I was so angry I posted a selfie of Jozef and commented that he was doing it for Dr Hadwen Trust non animal research who do great work but struggle for donations. A lot of people don’t know they carry out humane cancer research as is possible these days with advanced technology and stem cells etc and I for one am convinced they will find the cure one day! Anyway I was pleased to hear that as a spin off of the CRUK getting donations, Dr Hadwen had got a few thousand from people like Babz and I and lots of PR so more supporters too.

          • Ruth, to the left of the website is a column of buttons, one of them is for Facebook, and below the article you will see another like button for Facebook and on the left hand side there are also other buttons are all range of websites where the article can be shared. I hope that’s all right.

          • Ruth, I have just realised that you are probably viewing the site on your mobile phone, your smart phone. At the moment I am not publishing like buttons on smart phones but based upon what you say I will add one today.

            • I think the “like” feature on FB was pure genius. You don’t have to comment on everything you see, you can just like it. It’s great for businesses too who can offer special deals for customers who “like” them on FB.

              Sometimes reading something on PoC I really have nothing more to say than, “I like that.” But PoC doesn’t have a tab marked “like” that I could just click on. Would adding one violate copyright? Does FB own the rights to the like button feature? Maybe.

              Sometimes people just click “like” to say, “I saw that but don’t have time to comment right now.” I take that to be the explanation for my late husbands mother clicking “like” below the photo of the ladder onto the fireworks barge that Jeff fell off of last summer. I posted it to make the point that most pyros aren’t hurt by explosions, but rather the typical slips, falls and dropping things on your foot kind of injuries, with the caption, “Here’s the ladder that nearly killed my husband.” It got two or three likes, which kind of annoyed Jeff.

              • There is a like button, Ruth. In fact there are 2 on each page. even if you view the site on a mobile phone you will now see a like button at the bottom of the article. If you view the site on a computer you will see a panel of buttons to the left of the website and the one on the top is a Facebook like button. If you can’t see any like buttons, could you please tell me what systems you are using so I can correct that if possible. Thank you Ruth

        • Nice selfie. For decades it has been possible to do research without hurting animals. It is probably just easier and more economical to do scientific research that hurts animals. That is the nature of business.

          Doing a selfie with a cat is a challenge. It requires speed and a good dose of luck.

  14. The only reason I can give from my point of view for adopting our cats is that I love cats so much I can’t imagine our home without them and from their point of view we adopted them because they deserved a home where they would be loved, cared for and respected as our cats.

    • I think this is the point that I was making for myself that for someone who really likes cats it becomes instinctive to live with a cat. It is a way of life. Although, this page is an attempt to try and analyse it and to see what is behind it all.

      • Yes it does become instinctive, since our first cat almost 40 years ago and followed by many others, we’ve never had a catless household and I can’t imagine life without cats now.

        • I can totally empathise with that. I am the same. It gets into the blood. I actually think it’s more natural to live with a cat than it is to live without one. The same could apply to a companion dog for other people.

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