by Elisa Black-Taylor
(USA)
Good day readers. Today I’d like to initiate a very serious discussion concerning problems allegedly occurring at Caboodle Ranch in Lee, Florida. As you may recall, I did a story a few months back on the ranch and the great work of Craig Grant.
I call this new, follow-up article Caboodle Ranch-Cat Heaven or Cat Hell.
I’m not writing this article to see Caboodle Ranch put out of business or to make any false claims. Hopefully this article will give everyone concerned on both sides of the issue a chance to voice their concerns and for Caboodle Ranch to clarify any accusations they consider untrue.
This story is difficult to approach because Craig has every right to sue anyone who makes false accusations against his cat sanctuary. I merely want to explain what’s going and allow everyone concerned to vent.
The new problems at Caboodle Ranch haven’t made the news as of yet, although a few local reporters are interested in the story of how animals at the ranch are being left unprotected from coyote attacks from an inadequate fence.
For those of you who would like a little of my “homework,” please go to your search engine and type in “how high can coyote jump?” One of the answers I found may surprise you. A coyote doesn’t necessarily “jump” the fence. It scales it by pulling itself up and over using its paws. Scaling a 10-foot fence is possible for a coyote1.
So a 5-foot chain link fence may not be much protection at all.
I’m also concerned over the information I’ve read that the total number of cats has been drastically reduced due to coyote attacks and snake bites2. Craig himself has acknowledged this.
A few groups are putting out a call for rescue organizations and also for Florida veterinarians who would be willing to come in a take the cats and treat them should the worst happen and Caboodle Ranch be closed due to the unsafe conditions at the ranch.
Here are two videos that explain the conditions being questioned at the ranch. A few of the photos are graphic and the video is quite long. Almost half an hour if you listen to both. I’ve included these two because they address the topic of slander in making charges against Caboodle Ranch. They also raise some very important concerns that should come into play at animal sanctuaries everywhere.
NOTE: SORRY BUT AS EXPECTED, OVER THE INTERVENING YEARS, THESE VIDEOS NO LONGER WORK. THEY MUST HAVE BEEN REMOVED ON YOUTUBE.
{Please note: Sometimes videos are pulled off YouTube for a number of reasons resulting in no playable video here as Michael (Admin) has no notice of this}
I also hope Craig Grant or one of his staff will come forward and comment on my article. I have a very open mind and always want to give a person the benefit of the doubt. Are these charges a lie? What is your response to the accusations of those who want the cats removed and given to rescue groups?
I did read a comment from Caboodle Ranch supporters that a few of the photos used in the above videos were actually from Tiger Sanctuary and not from Caboodle Ranch. If that is true, the world needs to know there are parts of these videos that are untrue.
Craig, are the charges in the videos true or do you feel these groups are out for one reason: to shut down Caboodle Ranch?
Craig made a statement in an article run by Jax 4 News in Jacksonville, Florida about how he feels about his cats: “Their lives are precious and I put as much value on a cat’s life as I would a human life. People are going to hate me for saying this, but it’s probably what motivated me to do this.”3
I will be posting the link to this article to both the Caboodle website and to those who want the ranch closed down. Hopefully a good discussion will develop and we can get to the bottom of these charges.
For those who comment negatively about the ranch, please have proof to back up your claims and be polite. I don’t believe in wrecking Craig’s reputation on unproven here-say.
Just the facts please. Has anyone visited the ranch recently and can vouch for the ranch being in good condition for the cats who call the ranch home?
Along with cat lovers the world over, I’d like to know the truth.
Elisa
There are probably 1000 comments. The page is getting too large to accept more comments – sorry. Please make comments count.
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2. http://www.tallahasseemagazine.com
3. http://www.petwellbeing.com
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Catch up at www.pictures-of-cats.org/caboodle-ranch-faces-class-action-lawsuit.html. just posted today
| Apr 03, 2012 Rating | To Elliot NEW |
Elliot please check out the website Caboodle Ranch Animal Cruelty Info at caboodleranch.net
You’ll be surpised as to how long the cats have been suffering and dying at CR. There is much evidence to support the accusations against Craig Grant for animal cruelty.
Also, all (691) cats have been seized from him and he’s been charged with felony animal cruelty and scheming to defraud. There are numerous news stories and pictures of the investigation circulating the internet. Just search “Caboodle Ranch Animal Cruelty”.
| Apr 03, 2012 Rating | Cat health NEW |
Someone who is running a cat rescue HAS TO KNOW that if there coyotes or other predators in the area, then the fence perimeter has to set up so that the can not get in. That means climbing over the fence AND digging under it. Coyotes can dig 3 feet under a fence as well. And if there are snakes then how to build a snake fence as well. This guy probably means well but he has NO CLUE as to how to do it RESPONSIBLY. Maybe he should take a trip to BEST FRIENDS ANIMAL SANCTUARY in Utah and see how it is done. I realize that this could be expensive to do but IT HAS TO BE DONE. I have cats in my home and I only let them out into the yard when I am home. I have fenced it in so that they cannot get out. I am always listening to what is going on in the yard and if anything comes into the yard that shouldn’t be there they make me aware if it immediately.
Secondly, how often are these cats checked out by a vet (blood work, urine analysis, mites, fleas, injuries, etc.)? And are they tagged or chipped so that a record can each one can be maintained? If not then Caboodle Ranch needs to step up in a BIG way or shut down. Again, if you can’t raise the funds to do it RIGHT, then you should not be doing it.
| Apr 03, 2012 Rating | Cat health NEW Someone who is running a cat rescue HAS TO KNOW that if there coyotes or other predators in the area, then the fence perimeter has to set up so that the can not get in. That means climbing over the fence AND digging under it. Coyotes can dig 3 feet under a fence as well. And if there are snakes then how to build a snake fence as well. This guy probably means well but he has NO CLUE as to how to do it RESPONSIBLY. Maybe he should take a trip to BEST FRIENDS ANIMAL SANCTUARY in Utah and see how it is done. I realize that this could be expensive to do but IT HAS TO BE DONE. I have cats in my home and I only let them out into the yard when I am home. I have fenced it in so that they cannot get out. I am always listening to what is going on in the yard and if anything comes into the yard that shouldn’t be there they make me aware if it immediately. |
Secondly, how often are these cats checked out by a vet (blood work, urine analysis, mites, fleas, injuries, etc.)? And are they tagged or chipped so that a record can each one can be maintained? If not then Caboodle Ranch needs to step up in a BIG way or shut down. Again, if you can’t raise the funds to do it RIGHT, then you should not be doing it.
| Apr 01, 2012 Rating  | Judged in the Court of Public Opinion? NEW What is most distressful about many of these comments is it appears that Caboodle Ranch has been found guilty without a trial, without a jury,and for those hurling vindictive statements at Craig and Caboodle Ranch, without any reliable evidence it id highly disturbing to me. the court of public opinion is often slanderous, and has a mob mentality. |
This is very alarming. There are always at least two sides to a story, and when the facts come out about the excellent care that was tenderly rendered to these kitties, and the devotion given to these cats will tell the story- If only the cats could speak.
So why not wait until the true facts come out?
| Apr 01, 2012 Rating | Judged in the Court of Public Opinion? NEW What is most distressful about many of these comments is it appears that Caboodle Ranch has been found guilty without a trial, without a jury,and for those hurling vindictive statements at Craig and Caboodle Ranch, without any reliable evidence it id highly disturbing to me. the court of public opinion is often slanderous, and has a mob mentality. |
This is very alarming. There are always at least two sides to a story, and when the facts come out about the excellent care that was tenderly rendered to these kitties, and the devotion given to these cats will tell the story- If only the cats could speak.
So why not wait until the true facts come out?
| Apr 01, 2012 Rating | Caboodle, my view NEW I haven’t been on this page in quite awhile. When I did post, I made sure I said what I was posting was what I saw on my 2 trips to the ranch. I have never said anyone was “sick in the head,” as I just noticed Dana said about me. And no, I am not a hoarder. I do not have any animals at all right now. Yes, I will defend Craig because I was there, I saw the animals, and I do not believe this raid benefited them. It’s the animals I care about. Yes, I will defend in court, if asked, on a picket line, if required. That doesn’t mean I wouldn’t suggest improvements or other ways of doing things. But, in general, the cats were much better at Caboodle than in cages in a warehouse. I can imagine more sicknesses arising from that, then from being outdoors and free. |
| Mar 26, 2012 Rating | Website NEW There is a website for anyone interested in looking at the facts for themselves. It may help you come to your own conclusions on where you stand and what you think about the situation at Caboodle Ranch. The website is http://caboodleranch.net/ |
| Mar 26, 2012 Rating | Run Kittys Run as Far as you Can NEW Well it sure is GOOD for the kitties for all the Adults to behave like a bunch of kindergarten Children… Good luck kittys they have your bset interest at heart RUN LIKE THE WIND KITTYS…. It all Politics and Money. How can we make the most money off this……. |
| Mar 25, 2012 Rating | Caboodle Ranch Animal Curelty Page Info NEW Tamporary Page for Caboodle Ranch: Save the Kitties |
| Mar 23, 2012 Rating | Caboodle Ranch Sucks Facebook Page NEW Visit https://www.facebook.com/uglytruthofcaboodleranch |
| Mar 22, 2012 Rating | A new FB page NEW There is a new page on FB titled “Caboodle Ranch Animal Cruelty Case Info.” In case the CR radicals try and get that page shut down too by bogus claims, we’re working on a website that can’t be closed down. |
| Mar 22, 2012 Rating | new stk facebook NEW Is there a new CR STK facebook page yet? |
| Mar 20, 2012 Rating | Temporarily unavailabe NEW The CR fan page systematically reported STK and FB closed it. When FB gets lots of reports, it automatically closes pages. A human never reads the complaints, it’s done by a computer. A dispute has been sent to FB refuting the claims. Hopefully it will be back up soon. If it’s not up by tomorrow, we may open a temp page in the meantime while we wait for the original to be restored. |
| Mar 20, 2012 Rating | What happened NEW What happened to the facebook ” CR save the kitties” page, this is where I was getting updates on what was happening. Where do I go now to find out what is happening and info on how to get my cat back? |
| Mar 20, 2012 Rating | What are they afraid of?! NEW How odd, two facebook pages that were dedicated to showing the ‘other’ side of Caboodle…the side from the PETA investigation and visits by Maddie’s shelter and HSUS and many eyewitness accounts…have been taken down today by zealots from a new facebook page supporting Caboodle. They choose to turn a blind eye to the suffering caused to the cats and are regurgitating the fluffy PR and lies that Nanette is so good at writing. Luckily it will all come out in court, no need to worry but it sure is interesting that they are so threatened by the truth being told! |
| Mar 18, 2012 Rating | Where have all the cats gone ? NEW The Peta video is so fony, listen to the “volunteer” making sure we know this unused fridge stinks, and she films the litter trays, as if they are an unusual site before morning clean-up, which she was supposed to be doing in there, not filming the sick kitties waiting for their morning care, food and meds ! |
This is so remenisent of “witch”-hunting. ie Authorities composed of self-interested groups, arresting and incriminating people who were a source of happiness in competition with what they wanted people to believe in (and donate to).
I feel most sorry for these cats. Seizing them and removing them from this property is likely NOT going to result in a happier ending for them. How likely is the ASPCA going to be to care for and adopt out feral cats? How likely are they to find shelters to take hundreds of cats when the shelters they associate with are probably already killing 50% or more of the cats they take in? These cats would likely have been far better served by the ASPCA sending folks in to help.
| Mar 12, 2012 Rating | to Janet NEW Some people just don’t get it. Strange, no matter how much the truth slaps them in the face, they can’t seem to grasp reality. I feel for you whomever you are. Do you really believe all of this is just make believe or staged? Staged by dozens and dozens of people? You obviously have no regard for animals. God bless your soul. |
| Mar 12, 2012 Rating | Common sense NEW As an eyewitness I can tell you that these cats are in rough shape!!! Severe URI’s, Flea and lice infested, ringworm, etc. This really comes down to common sense!! It is impossible for one person to take care of 700 cats properly….I’m sure there were good intentions, but come on…..humanly impossible to get daily meds to a cat that’s wandering around on acres of open space! |
| Mar 12, 2012 Rating | Common sense NEW As an eyewitness I can tell you that these cats are in rough shape!!! Severe URI’s, Flea and lice infested, ringworm, etc. This really comes down to common sense!! It is impossible for one person to take care of 700 cats properly….I’m sure there were good intentions, but come on…..humanly impossible to get daily meds to a cat that’s wandering around on acres of open space! |
| Mar 06, 2012 Rating | Please read this NEW Every story has two sides |
| Mar 06, 2012 Rating | Please read this NEW Every story has two sides |
| Mar 04, 2012 Rating | Long list of witnesses over the years NEW Here is a list of witnesses of the animal cruelty at Caboodle Ranch that I’m aware of. Did I miss anyone? This does not include those who made anonymous complaints to the sheriff, animal control, PETA, HSUS, Best Friends, ASPCA, etc. These are just people I know personally and we all stand by to testify against Grant: |
Dana
Carolyn
Gary
Catherine
Nyein Nyein
Joseph
Alfonso
Ann
Annette
Nancy
Pamela
Steve
Don
Donna
Dr. Levy
Laura Bevan
Jennifer
Kelly
The neighbors
| Mar 04, 2012 Rating | PETA IS NOT THE ONE UNDER REVIEW NEW PETA is not the one under review here, I am sick of people bringing up this and that about PETA and fyi the ASPCA is handling this, so are you going to say that what they seen also is all staged? Give me a break. I personally know how Craig gives med and I will testify if they need me to a long with dozens of other people. You people who are sticking up for him are just as sick as he is if you think things were being done ok there. Craig even stated that he was healing them with his heart, WHATEVER! It takes more than love to run a sanctuary. And his love is sick love at that. |
| Mar 04, 2012 Rating | Dont believe all you read or see NEW Yes the cats were under veterinary care. The fridge was not in use. There were animals with URI-but yes they were receiving meds. The video was taken by a Peta investigator posing as a volunteer who was assigned to clean-I used to believe PETA but dont now at all.Make up your own minds but please be your own investigator-do research on PETA and do research on Caboodle Ranch-read comments from volunteers. Also read this http://www.nokillnow.com/PETAIngridNewkirkResign.htm |
| Mar 04, 2012 Rating | Justice Served NEW I just read on the CR website and I quote “All the cats in Craig’s care were seen regularly by a veterinarian”. How is this possible, you are telling me that every ferrel cat was regularly seen by a vet. Since you were providing an open food source and water, explain to me how you were able to trap all the ferrel cats to give them regular care. |
| Mar 04, 2012 Rating | Please help NEW On a Jax news they say that the volunteers of CR, not some of the volunteers but THE volunteers of CR are upset about all of this and think Craig needs to have his cats back etc. We have got to stop them. |
Please please help as we have got to get the word out. There are still others who are sticking by this very sick man, he is an “animal hoarder” in all the sense. He does not even have sense enough to know when cats are very ill and that they need more than “love” to heal them. They need care, medical treatment and someone who really wants to have a so called sanctuary that HE DID NOT HAVE. Please help and sign our petition.
https://www.change.org/petitions/stop-craig-grant-arrested-2-27-12-for-animal-abuse
| Mar 03, 2012 Rating | RE: getting ferrel cat back NEW If the ferel cat is captured during the seizure, you have a very good chance of getting her back if they find her. Was she microchipped? Did she have any special markings? Join our FB Page Caboodle Ranch: Save the Kitties. There’s a lot of people searching for their cats there and some are keeping us up to date with contacts for finding their cats. We’ve also created a folder of missing cats so in the future others may be able to help locate your cat. I plan on going down to volunteer when they make a call for volunteers. I plan to take the photos with me and try to match them up with cats there. If you’re not comfortable with FB. Email me at caboodleranch.savethekitties@gmail.com |
| Mar 02, 2012 Rating | CR NEW I have posted on this site before, I was actually pro-CR for ferrel cats only as I dropped 1 off there myself from NY. Anyway, Im reading on this site and other sites, pro and con about the cr. Well, I will just state for the record, in addition to the 1 ferrel cat, I also dropped off her brother and sister at the ranch who were slightly friendly to humans. Three weeks after leaving the cats, we moved to Florida. We stopped off to visit the CR. To make a long story short, we took back the slightly friendly cats. Why am I writing this because I want people (pro-cr) to know that when we took the cats back they were infested with fleas, both had an URI, and 1 had an eye infection. They are both now healthy and with their new brother and sister and with a loving family, my wife and I. |
PS. Can I get back the ferrel cat to place her somewhere else, I brought her down to the CR so she would not be euthanized?
| Mar 01, 2012 Rating | madison county voice NEW I’ve been banned from their FB page for simply asking why they are deleting critical comments made of Caboodle. John Ovendon, the editor has been a long time supporter of Caboodle. |
| Feb 29, 2012 Rating | WRONG link that was another new video NEW Here is the link |
| Feb 29, 2012 Rating | Craig is still asking for money NEW |
| Feb 29, 2012 Rating | Updated Video NEW Updated Video – Caboodle Ranch Raided |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PBohBMSuv_k
| Feb 29, 2012 Rating | Re: Debe NEW Debe has been a strong supporter of Caboodle. I met her in Feb when I was there volunteering. She was quite nice to me until after I left and reported Craig for animal abuse. She then got very nasty with me. She left Caboodle a couple of months ago. I did speak with her briefly while I was there as she was cleaning one of the disgusting trailers. She appeared to be disgusted by the sight. She even asked Craig if she could come at least every other day to stay on top of the buildings. At that time she was the only one cleaning the buildings and was only working a couple of days a week. |
| Feb 28, 2012 Rating | Debi NEW Im just curious about someone. Last April I dropped off 3 cats. I came back a month later and took 2 back (the other was ferell), anyway, Debi was instrumental in getting the cats back as Craig did not want to give up custody, I was wondering if she was there until the end and witnessed these horrors. The reason I am asking is I thought she was an animal lover and a nice person. I would of thought that she would have spoke up. Also, whats going to happen to the ferrel cats? |
By the way, I took the cats back because they looked miserable inside their pen. We took them to the vet where they were treated for URI and fleas. We adopted the cats and they are healthy. My concern now is for the ferrel cat.
| Feb 28, 2012 Rating | new video NEW be warned, dead cats in video |
http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2012-02-28/story/about-465-cats-removed-closed-lee-sanctuary
| Feb 28, 2012 Rating | Nanette? NEW If anyone is interested, it looks as though Nanette or someone like her is posting on the ASPCA’s blog and telling lies about Craig again, sticking up for him etc, here is the link if you wish to post something in response: |
| Feb 28, 2012 Rating | Re: You’ve got to be kidding me NEW Susan, |
Sounds like Dale Swisher (Gordon). She will stand by Craig no matter how many awful photos and videos come out of that place. She is sick in the head too. Possibly a hoarder herself. Hoarders do have a tendency to unite and defend each other.
| Feb 28, 2012 Rating | to anonymous NEW When are you and others like you going to realize that Craig DID NOT ALLOW HELP. We all tried! I offered some great stuff for the ranch for the cats, he refused it all! FREE Huge fans for the summer, a team of men to finish the fence so the cats would not get torn up by coyotes anymore, HE REFUSED IT ALLLLLLLL! |
| Feb 28, 2012 Rating | You’ve got to be kidding NEW Anonymous- you are clearly delusional in you think that video was just a few sick cats. Please give me a break. |
| Feb 28, 2012 Rating | contact number NEW Does anybody have a contact number to find out what is going to happen to the ferrel cats. I placed one at the CR and I am willing to take her and place her somewhere else. |
| Feb 28, 2012 Rating | ASPCA and PETA protect their assets NEW I spent time at Caboodle ranch last September. I saw a man with the biggest heart who may have eventually become overwhelmed (as many rescuers are). Craig had just secured guard dogs and was training them to patrol the perimeter, but they were just puppies then. Yes, there were some sick cats, but so many more happy, healthy cats – unafraid to approach visitors, friendly and sweet. There are always sick cats in recue. Always. There will always be some that do not make it. Always. Caboodle Ranch is an operation that seemed like it could have used additional volunteers, but was not in need of “investigators”. The time spent attempting to destroy this man and his kindhearted attempts to provide a safe haven for animals (who would have otherwise become roadkill) would have been better spent in assisting him in securing additional volunteers, on-site veterinary help, and more funding (because rescues always could use more money), as well as helping to raise funds for the fence. PETA and the ASPCA conducted themselves as they always do – destroying the competition for donations. It’s about money and control for them, not about the animals. NEVER ABOUT THE ANIMALS!! They continue with this MO everywhere, instead of focusing on better education of Rescue group volunteers, securing better veterinary care, and training those who give their own time and money to be the best they can be for the animals. Paid character assassins are what they really are, and the media is complicit in furthering their goals. I have personally seen the ASPCA accuse a rescue volunteer of “using a sick animal to solicit donations”, which is EXACTLY how this group solicits donations themselves. Have you ever seen an ASPCA commercial where they did not show sick animals and then ask for money? No, Craig Grant is a victim of his own selfless efforts to provide a safe place for cats who had no other chance. He needed some help, and these people put him in jail instead. They will now take these cats, many of whom ended up there because of behavioral problems, and attempt to place them in homes where they will be unhappy, and maybe abused because of their behavior. In the meantime, these cats will be caged. I hate that there are sick cats anywhere, but it is a fact of rescue. Maybe Craig should have secured additional medical care. But he is no fraud, I assure you. He is a kind, gentle being who has had enough of people (and on my trip down there I met enough awful people to agree with him) and found his happiness in cats. Once again, PETA, and the ASPCA, you got it wrong. You could have just helped. Really, you could have just helped. |
| Feb 28, 2012 Rating | NEW ARTICLE NEW lets move comments over to here https://pictures-of-cats.org/peta-investigation-shuts-down-caboodle-ranch.html |
| Feb 27, 2012 Rating | photos look at these photos |
| Feb 27, 2012 Rating | To emc All the news articles have said that the madison county sheriff’s office and the aspca are the people in charge. Google ‘caboodle ranch’ for news and it may give you contact information in the news articles. Or find out the number for the madison county sheriff’s office and call them. |
| Feb 27, 2012 Rating | dear julie Dear Julie, I know you must not know all the facts here. MANY have tried to help Craig. His mentality is that of a hoarder, he would not get help or allow help or let anyone help even if it meant saving a cats life. Please do your research. |
The email I received from Peta says a lot of truth:
Dear XXXXXXX,
Imagine that your family has packed you up and shipped you across the country to a total stranger. You are surrounded by others who are also stressed, terrified, and confused. The stench is overwhelming, and disease is rampant. You cannot get away from the insects—they swarm around you, cover your eyes, and fly into your nose. There are maggots and roaches in the food. When you fall ill, a stranger forcefully grabs you and scrubs your face with a Clorox wipe, burning your eyes. You wonder why your family did this to you, and you do your best to cope and survive.
This is just a glimpse into what hundreds of cats likely went through when they were left at Caboodle Ranch, Inc., a “rescue sanctuary” in Madison County, Florida. PETA’s latest undercover investigation exposes the reality that nearly 500 cats confined to the “no-kill” facility faced each day : an essentially one-person operation with no paid full-time help that subjected animals to severe crowding, filth, disease, neglect, suffering, and a miserable death. Based on PETA’s evidence, officials are seizing Caboodle’s animals and charging its founder and operator, Craig Grant, with cruelty!
| Feb 27, 2012 Rating | HELP! Need to find cats sent to Caboodle Not interested in debating the case at this point – TRYING TO FIND INFO ON TRACKING CATS WHO WERE RECENTLY SENT THERE – Can anyone help with this??! Thanks! |
| Feb 27, 2012 Rating | caboodle ranch I have been to Caboodle Ranch twice. I was quite impressed with the outside environment. There were houses for the cats too, lots of them. There were cats with uri however this is quite common in shelters too. There was plenty of food and water. It was apparent that Craig worked hard to care for the cats. It would appear that his shortcoming was maintaining their health. An intervention should have happened but could have been more supportive in nature. Why couldn’t PETA show Craig more effective methods for maintaining the cats health? |
| Feb 27, 2012 Rating | Rescues If you’re considering donating to help the rescues who are involved, there are many. One rescue that is on site I have been familiar with for many years is redrover.org. They’re based in Sacramento, CA and used to be known as United Animal Nations. They do GREAT work and I’m sure could also use any help that could come their way. |
| Feb 27, 2012 Rating | Craig Grant is behind bars where he belongs! Link |
| Feb 27, 2012 Rating | Re: ferrel If the cat is caught you may have a chance at recovering her. Please join our FB page We will keep everyone informed as we learn more. |
| Feb 27, 2012 Rating | ferrell I dropped a ferrel cat off there, whats going to happen to her? Will I have a chance to find her? |
| Feb 27, 2012 Rating | What say you all NOW?? THANK THE HEAVENS the remaining kitties now have a chance. All you who closed your eyes to the situation should be ASHAMED for supporting the animal cruelty that went on there!! ASPCA & MANY other rescue orgs went in today to rescue all the cats. Craig Grant arrested on several counts of animal cruelty. |
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| Feb 17, 2012 Rating | John I believe the reason you are suspicious as being part of the CR “cult” is because CR is adamat about only allowing the public in by appointment only and at that time they are escorted. There are only a few who has unlimited access. In order for us all to better understand you and what is going on at Caboodle Ranch, can you give us a general idea where you live and your relationship with Craig Grant and/or CR? |
| Feb 17, 2012 Rating | Re: the county being “in” Honestly, I know it sounds like a reach to those on the outside who’ve watched the mess unfold from a distance. But those of us who’ve been in the “trenches” fighting for the freedom of those cats know what’s really going on in that county. I don’t expect anyone to believe it unless they have first hand experience. |
I could respond to your questions about why the county created the ordinance and why they are giving Caboodle more time, but I’d be here all week responding. It isn’t important to me what on lookers opinions are about the county being corrupted. Hopefully the state will decide to pursue an internal investigation after reading through the folder of complaints and evidence.
| Feb 17, 2012 Rating | Anonymous Ok Anonymous, nice name, did your parents give you that? I am not any of the people you say I might be, nor am I associated with Caboodle. If I have upset anyone, I am sorry. I can only tell what I have seen with my own eyes. I do believe I have wasted my time on this site and will no longer. |
| Feb 17, 2012 Rating | It’s not going to change It is like Dana said, Craig is a hoarder. This place is not run like a business that cares for cats. He has a hoarder mentality and even if anyone in his group says “we are doing this, we are doing that” it is not Craigs words. You should talk to him yourself. Even when he is confronted with these issues, he refuses to even SAY he will make the necessary changes because he is hoarder. And I can tell you from being there several times, he does not comprehend that the cats that come there are in harms way. The pics in the slideshow say a lot and say the truth. You have no idea how many have died there. I for one have lost 1 cat there and know of many many others that have disappeared. I saw with my own eyes many cats DIE while I was there and I had to wonder how many died the days I was not there. It’s a very sick situation and I cannot believe he is still being allowed to continue what he does there. |
| Feb 17, 2012 Rating | Dana I think your accusation about Madison County being “in” with the caboodle ranch is a reach. First off, the county could have grandfathered the CR in regarding the county’s new laws, second, they didnt give them a permit during first or second board meeting, they gave them more time to get up to code, third, they didnt have to enact new laws in the first place. I do believe they want to give the CR a chance under their guidelines to work. |
I am happy that the pressure people like you have made were able to improve the CR. At this time, however, I am going to give the place some time under the new guidelines before I call for its closing. If the conditions are as they were in the past six months down the road, I will contribute my time and money for its closing.
| Feb 16, 2012 Rating | Exploitive Hoarders There are a few different models for animal hoarders. I believe Craig Grant fits into the Exploitive category: |
“These hoarders acquire animals to serve their own needs and are indifferent to the harm caused to them; deny the problem and reject authority figures or outside help; believe they know best and have an extreme need to control; may come across as charming, articulate, manipulative and cunning; skilled at presenting excuses and explanations for their circumstances; self-concerned and expressing no remorse or guilt; acquires animals actively; plans to evade the law, will lie cheat and steal without remorse in order to achieve their goals.”
source: http://animalhoarding.com/How-Animal-Hoarding-Develops.html
| Feb 16, 2012 Rating | up to standards It would be a good thing if this was simply a legitamite shelter simply needing help. But, as said before, it’s not. We are dealing with a hoarder. |
IF Caboodle is able to physically get things up to standard it won’t change his mental state of hoarding. He will continue to take in more cats than he has resources for. Hoarders will hide, steal, and cheat to fulfill their need.
As far as there being more oversight…I don’t know how the county is going to be able to oversee Caboodle now more than they have done in the past. They haven’t hired more people in animal control. What’s happened in the past is that when the heat was on, Caboodle would do a decent job at keeping the place kept up. But as soon as things sizzled down, Craig would go back to his same old ways.
One last thing that hasn’t been discussed on this forum but has on www.facebook.com/caboodleranch.savethekitties is that there has been a lot of accusations that the county (especially animal control)is protecting Caboodle Ranch. These accusations have a strong foundation and haven’t been pulled out of thin air. It’s believed this is why animal cruelty has gone on for over 3 years at CR. The authorities just keep trying to sweep it under the rug and hope we will go away. I know this sounds like something out of the Dukes of Hazard but I’ve researched other hoarding cases and it’s not uncommon for the authorities to look the other way and in some cases deliberately cover up.
| Feb 16, 2012 Rating | cr If the cr is meeting the standard of care set forth by Madison County, isnt this a good thing. Arent the cats going to be cared for with more oversight so that the deficiencies that were brought up by people in this forum dont occur again. |
| Feb 16, 2012 Rating | Whooooo are you? Who? Who? John, |
Let me guess…Nanette? No, maybe Dale? Or Cindy? Perhaps Debe? Oh I know, is it Catsunn?
All of you have the same script. Get a new one.
| Feb 16, 2012 Rating | nothing is going to change Caboodle Ranch is working hard to get up to minimum standards so they can keep all the cats. They can put a million buildings in there and clean all day and NOTHING is going to change the fact that Craig Grant is an animal hoarder. This is what people are loosing site of. Any expert in the field will tell you. Animal hoarders DON’T change! The mental illness is too ingrained. Even with treatment there is a 99% rate of recidivism. It’s a serious condition and not to be taken lightly or looked at as a person simply overwhelmed with too many animals. |
Hoarders consciously decide to take in one animal after another. They are not victims of people just dumping their pets on them.
I highly suggest that anyone wanting to have a serious discussion about Caboodle Ranch to research animal hoarding. To discuss this matter without understanding the condition is futile.
Here’s some reading material for those who are interested:
http://animalhoarding.com/index.htm
http://vet.tufts.edu/hoarding/
http://networkedblogs.com/tNfpj
Prisoners of love the victims of animal hoarding
www.facebook.com/caboodleranch.savethekitties
| Feb 16, 2012 Rating | not changed didn’t you watch that recent slideshow? that has newer pics in it. That man will never change his ways, therefore the cats will continue to suffer. I will never believe anything I read again ever ever about that place. The facts are there when you go to visit, if you open your eyes and look around, stay for a week too, don’t miss a thing. |
| Feb 16, 2012 Rating | cr I was there last April and dropped off 2 cats. I came back in May and picked them up. What I want to know is, forgetting the past, what is the place like today? Has it improved? Has anyone who had negative comments in the past been there recently? |
| Feb 16, 2012 Rating | the slideshow tells it all The slideshow tells it all. I don’t know where some of you get your information but I have been there. There may be NOW ac rooms and stuff, don’t know since I haven’t been there in a while. But this place is a nightmare and they have KILLED and let get KILLEd many many cats that were domesticated and it was so sad to see ppl bring their cats there that they had so spoiled in their home for years to live out the rest of it’s life there, only to be KILLED!!! Again this place needs to be CLOSED. And this is Carolyn and I have nothing to hide and they lie on their website about me. I have proof and witnesses to their lies. |
| Feb 16, 2012 Rating | Re: John Coor Your story and wording sounds like the same few people who keep making the same claims as you. All you people do is try and disguise yourselves with different names. Nice try |
| Feb 16, 2012 Rating | Been There Not sure where some of these people get there information but I have been to Caboodle Ranch and even left cats there and I can tell you from first hand experiance that it is a grear place for cats. I have even “dropped” in without notice and found all well. The cats have fresh water and food, there are buildings with A/C and heaters for the seasons. One would think with so many cats it would smell, but on one of my un announced visits, I caught Craig and 2 volunteers cleaning the ranch, raking, sweeping and shoveling poo up, I was quite impressed! Craig has never turned me away and he lets me go anywhere on the ranch I want to. People need to visit before making claims and listening to other people, I have been there and I have never seen the filth and disgust some readers are posting. |
| Jan 19, 2012 Rating | new video New Caboodle Ranch warning video: Caboodle Ranch |
| Jan 15, 2012 Rating | to anonymous You are very right anonymous, no one should compare CR to a stray cat. They have no idea what nightmares the cats go through there. Summer is extremely hot there, more so than other places for some reason, and the cats are so overheated they barely move around. The pics of the green grass and cats lying around is so unreal of what it is there. Winters are even worse for those babies. And the cats that wonder off don’t come in for food and when they do there isn’t a lot of it. The cats that survive the neighbors killing them or the coyotes eating them or cars running them over in the streets. |
| Dec 01, 2011 Rating | sassy cat Anyonymous 1, you make some very valid and interesting points. What time period did you go to Caboodle Ranch? |
Anonymous 2, While I’m sure you mean well, but if what you said about Caboodle Ranch were true, this discussion wouldn’t be taking place. Not sure where you got the figures that a cat at Caboodle Ranch has a better chance at surviving than an outdoor cat. Alley Cat Allies reports that an outside, stray cat has about a 5 year life span. I can guarantee you that the life span at Caboodle Ranch is shorter due to massive diseases, coyotoes, getting hit by cars, shot by neighbors, lack of medical, etc.
And yes, some of those things are a danger every where but you make the their chances to live even worse when you pull them from a familiar place where they know where food and shelter is.
If you were homeless, would you rather be in an area that you were familiar with and knew where to go for food and water or would you rather be swept up and dropped in some foreign land?
Let’s sweep up all the homeless people and put them on a disease ridden island with predators and hunters. While we’re at it, lets give them very little resources so they have to fight one another. Is that how you would like to live?
And secondly, I’m tired of people comparing Caboodle Ranch to the life of a stray cat. What does that have to do with Caboodle Ranch lying and taking peoples money? People are paying for what they believe to be “a safe, loving, and healthy environment where the cats receive medical treatment (including monthly parasite treatment). That’s also what people are donating money to. But who knows what the money is being used for. I heard about Caboodle Ranch paying for people’s hotels, dinners, etc.
| Dec 01, 2011 Rating | The Truth I have been to the Ranch and was even coaxed into leaving some feral cats there that I thought were going to be well taken care of. I was made to believe they would have a better life than roaming the streets. |
I went back to check to see how they were doing a couple weeks later and NONE of them can be found.
Several more visits later and still none can be located. For a couple months I kept being told “they’re here”. Where? Now I’m told “we have so many new cats we don’t know if we’ve seen them”
The truth is they appear to feed, water, and shelter the cats that hang out right around the buildings, but they HAVE NO WAY AND MAKE NO EFFORT to keep track of all the cats. Therefore; their claim that all residents receive necessary vaccines and vet visits can not possibly be true.
Next time you visit and watch Craig put on the show of feeding hundreds of cats, watch very carefully. You’ll notice it’s the same cats eating at different locations. If you don’t believe me, record and rewatch.
The bottom line is that any cat would be better off living in your back yard with you putting food and water out for it, because at least you would realize when it disappeared. That is more than they get at this so call “cat ranch”
| Nov 26, 2011 Rating | Questions I have 10 cats and I live in Florida, too. |
Fortunately, I can keep all my kitties indoors because I know of the dangers that lurk when they roam.
I’m in the minority.
Most people I know feel it’s okay to have their cats be indoor/outdoor even though there are alligators, bobcats, poisonous snakes/spiders, raccoons, possums, cars, folks with guns, eagles/hawks, cayotes, and assorted other dangers lurking.
If you look at the statistics, a cat allowed to roam freely has a life expectancy of maybe 2-5 years. A cat kept safe indoors can live to 15 years or more.
A homeless cat has maybe a year at best.
Caboodle gives those homeless cats more time.
They also get love, attention, medical care, stability, and a place to call home.
If you have the slightest understanding of cats, you’d know how much they need all of these things.
They also need a warm place to curl up for the night, a full belly, and petting on their terms.
If you can’t or aren’t willing to provide for them, then shame on you for ripping folks who try.
Rather than complain, how about supporting?
Or, better yet, how about creating your own sanctuary?
| Jul 09, 2011 Rating | Leave and remove I agree that the discussion is useful. Passionate discussion airs ideas and feelings that need to be expressed. |
The trouble is that the comments in this format have to stop sometime because the page becomes too large.
Thanks for the comments.
Michael
| Jul 08, 2011 Rating | to Jordan and whoever else To whomever said there was cussing. Where are you getting that from? I really am starting to believe you are someone with caboodle ranch or as some put it, on their side and trying to get this closed. It’s not a chat room either. This is a very serious topic, and you need to grow up or leave the message board. Obviously you have ulterior motives. Give it a break. And why in the world would you bring up cussing from long ago unless you are someone who has ulterior motives ( on CR’s so called side ) perhaps you are one of his kids, or Nanette. Who knows. |
| Jul 08, 2011 Rating | Well you see.. Well I want it closed mainly because when I was searching the web about caboodle I found this with my friends and when I scrolled down while the article was still loading ( the screen didn’t have a full picture yet) the picture popped up and it was a lot of evil cOmments of people yelling and using profane language which gave me a bad impression of this site, so my motive is that if u want ppl to take this seriously, then u should take down the comments. |
| Jul 08, 2011 Rating | closing discussion board Well I think those that have a problem with the discussions should just not come to the board. I don’t think the discussions give the website a bad rap. I wonder what the motive is for those wanting the discussions closed. |
| Jul 08, 2011 Rating | But.. Yes, but all the comments that have them are still there. |
| Jul 08, 2011 Rating | Why Seems like just certain people are having issues, I’ve never had a problem. And to the person who brought up the cussing, that person was banned quite a while ago. |
| Jul 08, 2011 Rating | Using u!! I think the discussions should b closed bc ppl seem to be using your website article as a place for a chatroom type atmosphere. They need to find a real message board to go to. not some comment area that is getting annoying to load |
| Jul 08, 2011 Rating | Eh Well the article did take long to load even on my Mac, and the previous comments on this article r giving ur site a bad rep in my opinion with all the cussing and such. |
| Jul 08, 2011 Rating | no problem here I don’t have a problem loading either. It must be only on cell phones and such and older computer systems, or ones with low processors, low internet speed etc. Mine loads perfectly fine and I have been on here on 3 different computers 3 different locations. |
| Jul 08, 2011 Rating | Problems I have no issues with loading at home or at work. |
| Jul 08, 2011 Rating | don’t close discussions please You get a lot of traffic on this article and I personally would like to see it stay open. There are no other articles that discuss both views of caboodle ranch. I have no problems with the page loading. |
| Jul 08, 2011 Rating | Big Yes, there are masses of comments and I think it is time to close them. |
What do other people think? Is the page too slow loading?
Do you want me to stop comments?
Michael
| Jul 07, 2011 Rating | Loading time Mine is actually slower on this site as well, but really fast on just about everything else… |
| Jul 07, 2011 Rating | loading time.q Maybe it’s your computer because I don’t have problems loading it and no one else has ever complained about the loading time. |
| Jul 07, 2011 Rating | Whoa..WAY too long.. Wow.. This page is so big I couldn’t even read the article until like 10 mins of loading time! Why are there so many comments? Can’t the editor take them off? if its just turned into a chatroom, I think it should be closed, bc this loading time was ridiculous! |
| Jul 07, 2011 Rating | Dale Dale, I assume that you got your information from Nanette. Why would you believe anyone that has proven themselves to be a habitual liar? I have many documents to back up this statement, if you don’t believe me I’d be more than happy to send them to you. |
| Jul 07, 2011 Rating | Another great story https://pictures-of-cats.org/domestic-abuse-and-pets.html |
| Jul 06, 2011 Rating | What is defense counter suing for? Since the case was dismissed and the plaintiffs lost, the defendant can now counter sue for legal fees. There are several other requests for financial compensation for certain actions but I’m not going to speak publicly about it without the defendants permission. |
Please, I have no more answers about the lawsuit. That’s all I know for now. When I have more details and have permission to speak, I will update ya’ll.
| Jul 06, 2011 Rating | counter suing What is the defense counter suing for? What are they asking for. |
| Jul 06, 2011 Rating | previous post Sorry, forgot to sign the previous post. I don’t post anonymously. |
| Jul 06, 2011 Rating | defamation lawsuit The plaintiffs case (Caboodle Ranch) was dismissed but the defense is counter suing and needs the documents for their countersuit which legally Craig was suppose to supply to the defense. The defense still has a right to the documents. From my understanding the way it works is that if the documents are not supplied within the indicated time frame, one can be held in contempt of court. That is how I’m interpreting the information I have but don’t quote me on it just yet. We’ll have more answers within the next week or two so hang on it’s not over. |
| Jul 06, 2011 Rating | confused Dana, I am confused, the judge dismisses the case and Craig still has to produce documents? Are you sure this is correct? After the dismissal, the case is over, whats the point of producing documents, there are no more proceedings. Maybe it was Craig had 10 days to produce the documents or the case would be dismissed? According to Dale he produced documents that was accepted by the court. Did you call the court clerk to verify the case was dismissed? |
| Jul 06, 2011 Rating | lawsuit I spoke to the lawyer for over an hour so I’m pretty well versed in the case. The judge dismissed the case and gave Craig 10 days to still produce the requested documents. 10 days have passed and as far as I know he still has not produced ALL the documents. There is a long list of documents, Dale, that you are not aware of that was requested and there was no way Craig could ever produce a document on every cat he’s ever taken in and from who. He has no idea. He was suppose to produce every donation, including food, supplies, anything. And the names of every person who made the donations. We all know how unorganized Craig is and I know there is no way he has all these docs. |
| Jul 06, 2011 Rating | Lawsuit Dale, may I ask where you got your information about the lawsuit? |
| Jul 05, 2011 Rating | Law suit comments et al On June 30, WCTV.TV did a segment on the new county ordinance that will limit the number of cats/dogs allowed per acre in Madison County. Craig Grant of Caboodle was interviewed, as was Jamie Willoughby, the Animal Control Officer of Madison County. Jamie Willoughby said that “there were no enforceable issues at Caboodle Ranch.” To view the clip, go to WCTV.TV/floridaheadlines/Madison-County. |
On June 27, a Madison County judge heard a request by a defendant in a defamation suit brought by Caboodle Ranch. The party wanted to be dismissed from the case. The hearing lasted about 15 minutes, was attended by attorneys for Caboodle and the defendant, and the judge. The request was denied, and the defamation suit is on-going. The papers submitted, including shot records and photos of Caboodle’s cats, were accepted by the judge. It is totally false to state that the defamation suit was heard and that Caboodle lost.
| Jul 03, 2011 Rating | To anonymous about lawsuit I don’t know if you are aware that Mr. Grant filed a defamation lawsuit against three people and recently lost. He is being counter sued by the defendant for his cost of attorney fees. The whole law suit is costing him big money. Did Mr. Grant think about the money he was taking away from the cats when he filed a such a frivilous lawsuit. Yes, myself and others have thought this through very carefully. Mr. Grant needs to be held accountable for his actions as he never has up to this point. HSUS and other animal protection organizations will come in and rescue the cats. I’m confident in that. |
| Jul 03, 2011 Rating | DANA I don’t know about a class action lawsuit. A class action lawsuit will only hurt the cats. The money he needs to feed the cats will go to fight the lawsuit plus if your goal is to shut down this place where will all the cats go? We don’t want them to be put down. |
Have you fully thought this through?
| Jul 03, 2011 Rating | to anonymous Then you see exactly my point. He is a hoarder. And his allies, Nanette goes a long with telling lies to people when they ask her why they don’t adopt. Her story is a whole different reason than Craigs. She is trying to cover up for him. He should be locked away and gotten help. He started out hoarding, the rescue/sanctuary was not the original idea. He was acquiring cats and had no place to put them til he and his son had purchased some property as an investment. Idea!! I will move me and my cats onto the property because society will not accept us. Then his hoarding got out of hand, Nanette heard about him taking in cats. Bingo, made a human friend that brings me more cats and in return she will try to help make me money to support me and my hoarding ways. |
| Jul 03, 2011 Rating | to anonymous Then you see exactly my point. He is a hoarder. And his allies, Nanette goes a long with telling lies to people when they ask her why they don’t adopt. Her story is a whole different reason than Craigs. She is trying to cover up for him. He should be locked away and gotten help. He started out hoarding, the rescue/sanctuary was not the original idea. He was acquiring cats and had no place to put them til he and his son had purchased some property as an investment. Idea!! I will move me and my cats onto the property because society will not accept us. |
| Jul 03, 2011 Rating | Carolyn |
It’s a shame he won’t adopt out, it’s kind of selfish of him, he wants to play hero. I saw this gray and white kitten both times I went there and it was so cute and loveable, there’s no reason why that baby has to stay there. It would be adopted very fast as would his other cats esp. the gorgous ones. He has alot of good looking cats that are friendly.
| Jul 03, 2011 Rating | red barn BTW…the red barn with the chainlink fence around it, that’s the FIV building. There is no new sick bay as of yet, from my understanding it’s still in the trailer. Craig has absolutely no idea of what’s he’s doing. Does he not realize that cats can climb? In addition to climbing the chain link fence. There are trees butted right up to the fence on the inside and out that they can climb up and jump right over. |
Dana
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| Jul 03, 2011 Rating | to anonymous Those of us who’ve brought cats to Caboodle Ranch or donated money based on what we believe to be false advertisement have sought legal representation for a class action lawsuit. Also, those who’ve lost cats due to the negligence of Caboodle Ranch are included in the lawsuit. Anonymous, can you please contact me at caboodleranch.savethekitties@gmail.com. Anyone else that wants to be included, please email me too. Thanks |
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| Jul 03, 2011 Rating | the Caboodle Ranch Makeover Anonymous…. very good ideas, but we have all been there with those now haven’t we? Craig will NEVER adopt out. He already told me that and others. He has a hoarder mentality. We are not dealing with a person who really has the cats at his best interest but a man who thinks he knows everything and no one can handle a cat better in his own mind. He also would never have just ferals there, then where would he get his friends from? Ferals aren’t friendly in that way. I don’t believe that Craig will live up to what the new regulations are stating. He will continue to do it his way. This is all just a waste of time in my opinion, cause as I said, we are dealing with a hoarder. He needs help. |
| Jul 02, 2011 Rating | A CABOODLE RANCH MAKEOVER |
I’ve been to the Caboodle Ranch twice. The first time to drop off cats and the second time to take them back. When we got home they both had upper respiratory infections and both were infested with fleas. We had them treated and since they were very loveable and friendly we decided to keep them.
The Caboodle Ranch is not good for cats that are adoptable. These cats deserve better. The Caboodle Ranch should be strictly FOR FERAL CATS ONLY. It’s like a cat wondering around in someone’s neighborhood looking for food and shelter well Craig provides exactly that.
The Caboodle Ranch is only allowed by law to take in X amount of cats, well whats going to happen when they reach that number? Where is Craig going to raise the money to give the caboodles their neccessities and the upkeep to the ranch.
After going to the Caboodle Ranch I have a few recommendations for Craig and his crew.
1) Put the friendly cats up for adoption. Their already spay/neutered. This way the ranch could raise money and the cats could go to loving homes.
2) Put a gift shop at the ranch. The Caboodle Ranch has some cool merchandise on zazzle.com(most of it is sold out now), this would help raise money.
3) The red barn with the sick cats should have a more secure fence. Cats are very agile and that fence he has does not look like it will prevent cats from staying in or out.
By keeping the ranch strictly for ferals makes things alot easier and less expensive. No vet bills, no grooming, no color collars, no record keeping and no neglecting cats that crave affection (Craig can’t spend time with every one of them). A head count, a much better fence, food and fresh water and some shelter is all that would be needed for feral cats and they would be forever grateful.
Oh and
4) Craig could be alot nicer to people who drop off cats maybe then he could ward off some of his critics.
| Jul 02, 2011 Rating | A CABOODLE RANCH MAKEOVER |
I’ve been to the Caboodle Ranch twice. The first time to drop off cats and the second time to take them back. When we got home they both had upper respiratory infections and both were infested with fleas. We had them treated and since they were very loveable and friendly we decided to keep them.
The Caboodle Ranch is not good for cats that are adoptable. These cats deserve better. The Caboodle Ranch should be strictly FOR FERAL CATS ONLY. It’s like a cat wondering around in someone’s neighborhood looking for food and shelter well Craig provides exactly that.
The Caboodle Ranch is only allowed by law to take in X amount of cats, well whats going to happen when they reach that number? Where is Craig going to raise the money to give the caboodles their neccessities and the upkeep to the ranch.
After going to the Caboodle Ranch I have a few recommendations for Craig and his crew.
1) Put the friendly cats up for adoption. Their already spay/neutered. This way the ranch could raise money and the cats could go to loving homes.
2) Put a gift shop at the ranch. The Caboodle Ranch has some cool merchandise on zazzle.com(most of it is sold out now), this would help raise money.
3) The red barn with the sick cats should have a more secure fence. Cats are very agile and that fence he has does not look like it will prevent cats from staying in or out.
By keeping the ranch strictly for ferals makes things alot easier and less expensive. No vet bills, no grooming, no color collars, no record keeping and no neglecting cats that crave affection (Craig can’t spend time with every one of them). A head count, a much better fence, food and fresh water is all that would be needed for feral cats and they would be forever grateful.
Oh and
4) Craig could be alot nicer to people who drop off cats maybe then he could ward off some of his critics.
| Jun 29, 2011 Rating | Reply to Carolyn OMG!!!!!! I was not trying to be passive-aggressive and ACCUSE you of anything. I just didn’t understand why you brought up the show “Hoarders” because you didn’t reference it specifically the CR!!!!!!! |
| Jun 29, 2011 Rating | thanks anonymous I don’t get on her often as I don’t have a lot of time but when I do I get the tail end of things being discussed. I understand where everyone is coming from. But you have to understand Craig and his intentions. They are not in the best interest of the cats and you cannot change him period. He will NEVER EVER adopt out cats, I can bet money on that. He thinks no one can care for a cat better than he. He is a true licensed hoarder. I spent a lot of time there and I know. Dale you are so lost, you only seen what you wanted to see obviously. Where are all the cats? You saying cats have not dyed in the high #’s? You are so blinded. Many many many cats are now gone!!! thanks to Craig and his so called sanctuary (sanctuary: to protect?) |
| Jun 29, 2011 Rating | To the passive aggressive anonymous Right, anon. Re-read Carolyn’s response to your VERY accusatory “question”. Nowhere could her response have come across with “venom”, she simply stated her situation. You were trying to set her and Dana up with your question. It is very typical when someone cannot argue the points, they deflect by attacking. You did not simply ask an innocent question, no matter how you want to spin it now. Typical passive-aggressive behavior. |
| Jun 29, 2011 Rating | To Carolyn Wow-my question was a simple question without accusation regarding the notation about the AP “Hoarders” show. Why do you always respond with such venom? |
| Jun 29, 2011 Rating | the other side of the barn Guess what Dale? There is a picture of the other side of the barn. Guess what’s not there? Litter boxes. Read the fine print. It states that the litter boxes are outside under the overhang. One overhang. |
And who cares about the color of the barn? Get real. All our criticisms have to do with the health and well being of the cats.
You try so hard to discredit us. You want us to answer your questions so you can try and question everthing we say. If you want answers to your questions, go find them like we did. Call Animal Planet yourself. If you really want to help Caboole Ranch, you might consider donating money because those lawyer fees are going to be outrageous.
| Jun 29, 2011 Rating | no new sick bay A visitor in April said there was no new sick bay. Only the FIV building. The sick bay was a trailer. |
| Jun 29, 2011 Rating | AP Does he state why it was pulled? Did they witness anything improper, if so, did they report it to the authorities? |
| Jun 29, 2011 Rating | response from animal planet host John Fulton Oh. CR was pulled because of what AP saw and experienced at CR. Here is a screen shot of John Fulton’s answer to my question. |
Admin: can’t show this as it causes formatting problems
I am aware that CR made it to the UK version of Must Love Cats but they are operated by Animal Planet UK. Evidently there was a breakdown in communication between US Animal Planet and UK Animal Planet.
| Jun 29, 2011 Rating | “Hoarders” show by: Anonymous If you are insinuating I am a hoarder you are way off base. Let me see now, I just found homes for 4 kittens, an adult mother. All are being fixed this friday. I have a steady history of ads in the paper finding homes for cats. I keep no cats, the cats I have were from over a year ago and it is less than 25 cats, they don’t stay in my house. They are all fixed and have shots and tags and I have all my paperwork to show it. Would you like to see it? I work in helping others get their cats or stray cats fixed and returned ‘TNR. One that is getting fixed friday is a full feral and is returning to the the area she came from. She had 4 kittens in which we ‘temporarily’ fostered, found homes for and now momma is going back. Also we have another mother we homes that is getting fixed friday in which we found homes for her 4 kittens, they were all going to be euthanized. Momma got a home too. I not only help with cats all over, but all types of animals. I don’t like keeping cats because they are so cute and I just got to have it, or because I think no one else will take care of them properly but myself. I constantly home cats with other people! |
| Jun 28, 2011 Rating | Animal Planet Fact: Animal Planet has shown the Caboodle Ranch episode on Must Love Cats on Demand TV. The segment has been shown all over the world. If you would like to verify this information, contact Demand TV. It’s more damaging to Caboodle to say the piece was pulled because of conditions at the Ranch, but it would not be true. |
Another criticism of Caboodle concerns the # of litter boxes at the FIV barn, shown on Caboodle’s home page. Someday we will be able to get a 360 degree shot showing boxes on other sides of the barn, but right now this is far as technology goes. We only saw one side. So let’s think of something else to criticize. Do you think the color of the barn is too bright? Maybe a slightly different shade of red would be better. As for the “weird” picture of cats lying around the pool, maybe the cats like to lie on the ground that has just been hosed down. Makes it a little cooler.
Why not be thrilled with the terrific homes for the cats? Why not accept that for discarded and unwanted cats, this life is much better than one in a shelter would have been? The feral cats have food and shelter. Is that not better than scrounging for food and life itself everyday?
Visitors there less than 2 weeks ago are still raving on their web site about the cleanliness of the Ranch and of the demeanor of the cats. Healthy, happy, unstressed. (check out The Good Luck Duck site) You really want to take that all away? Such a shame.
| Jun 28, 2011 Rating | Caboodle Ranch/Craig grant lost defamation lawsuit today Craig Grant had filed a lawsuit against Gary Conley, Carolyn Logan, and Pam Jonnason for defamation. The court date was today and Grant lost the suit. As part of Conley’s defense, his laywer (Lucas Taylor) requested numerous documents and Grant could not produce them and as a result loss by default. Some of the multiple documents that were requested were documentation on every single cat Caboodle Ranch has ever taken in, proof of veterinary care under the Order to Show Care by the court, and every donation made to include monetary, food, buildings, furniture….anything. Conley will be countersuing for cost of lawyer fees. What is interesting about this case is the fact that Grant could not produce the documents which is evidence that he does not have records on all the cats, therefore he is unable to provide care for and insure saefty of the cats when he has no idea of how many cats he has. If he is this irresponsible with the cats, imagine what else he is irresponsible with… |
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| Jun 28, 2011 Rating | re: Hoarding It was not to due to the sheer number of cats involved. They didn’t like the conditions they saw and there are many signs of a hoarding mentality and since they have experience with hoarding cases, they were concerned that he is a hoarder. I don’t know what their conversation with Carolyn was but the person who contacted me wanted to know if I knew any family member or close friend of Craig that was concerned about his and the cats well-being. I don’t. As far as I know they all support what he’s doing. I’m sure most of you have seen the show and the premisis is based on family members’ concerns and convincing the hoarder to get help. |
| Jun 28, 2011 Rating | “Hoarders” show Dana, You stated that you and Carolyn were contacted by Animal Planet for the “Hoarders” show. Was that regarding CR or because of the number of animals that you are caring for? |
| Jun 28, 2011 Rating | “Hoarders” show Dana, You stated that you and Carolyn were contacted by Animal Planet for the “Hoarders” show. Was that regarding CR or because of the number of animals that you are caring for? |
| Jun 28, 2011 Rating | Animal Planet Fact: Animal Planet has shown the Caboodle Ranch episode on Must Love Cats on Demand TV. The segment has been shown all over the world. If you would like to verify this information, contact Demand TV. It’s more damaging to Caboodle to say the piece was pulled because of conditions at the Ranch, but it would not be true. |
Another criticism of Caboodle concerns the # of litter boxes at the FIV barn, shown on Caboodle’s home page. Someday we will be able to get a 360 degree shot showing boxes on other sides of the barn, but right now this is far as technology goes. We only saw one side. So let’s think of something else to criticize. Do you think the color of the barn is too bright? Maybe a slightly different shade of red would be better. As for the “weird” picture of cats lying around the pool, maybe the cats like to lie on the ground that has just been hosed down. Makes it a little cooler.
Why not be thrilled with the terrific homes for the cats? Why not accept that for discarded and unwanted cats, this life is much better than one in a shelter would have been? The feral cats have food and shelter. Is that not better than scrounging for food and life itself everyday?
Visitors there less than 2 weeks ago are still raving on their web site about the cleanliness of the Ranch and of the demeanor of the cats. Healthy, happy, unstressed. (check out The Good Luck Duck site) You really want to take that all away? Such a shame.
| Jun 27, 2011 Rating | Animal Planet knows about the conditions at Caboodle Ranch FACT: Animal Planet filmed Caboodle Ranch for the show Must Love Cats that premiered Feb 2011. However, CR was never aired. Why? Because AP didn’t like what they saw when they were at the ranch. Another FACT: Carolyn was contacted last year and I was contacted in Feb by the production company, who films AP’s show “Animal Hoarders”. |
| Jun 27, 2011 Rating | # of Ferals If I remember correctly as of December 2010 they stated they had 80% Domestic cats, 10% Strays and 10% Ferals. |
| Jun 26, 2011 Rating | let’s not jump to conclusions We don’t know for certain how many cats Caboodle has or how many will be adopted or if CR will even put them up for adoption. Let’s not be negative and assume that all the domesticated cats won’t be adopted. As far as the ferals, we don’t know that they will be euthanized either. First off, how are they going to be caught? Secondly, there may be feral cat colony managers that might be willing to take some in. Let’s not assume the worse. Let’s be optimistic and hope for the best. Everyone should start contacting Caboodle Ranch and plea with them to start adopting out cats and find alternative solutions for the ferals. IT IS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY. However, I will be more than happy to help try and find homes and I feel safe in saying that the rest who are critics of CR will be happy to help as well. We all want what’s best for the Caboodle cats. If we didn’t we wouldn’t have put so much effort into bringing attention to the public about the conditions at CR and pushing authorities to take action in saving the cats. |
| Jun 26, 2011 Rating | ferell Im just going to end my point of view with this point, I did not bring my ferell cat down there to be euthanized because she was unadoptable. I rather they just give her a fighting chance an just leave here alone. I brought her down there for a better life not to kill her. |
| Jun 26, 2011 Rating | not all cats getting adopted You stated that over 300 aren’t going to be adopted. Caboodle Ranch last fall stated they have 650 cats and were planning on having 1,000 within the next 6-8 months. Well 6-8 months have passed and I feel safe in saying they have taken in 350 cats in that time period. Recent visitors are reporting they are seeing around 100 cats so what has happened to the rest? You are concerned about the remaining cats but no one seems to be answering the question as to what has happened to the other hundreds and hundreds. The point we have been trying to make for months is that the cats are dying at Caboodle Ranch and it is not a painless death. I do not want to see any cat euthanized. I am a huge advocate for animal rights and volunteer in animal rescue. I hope it does not come to that point and that is why we are begging for CR to start adopting. But I do believe if euthanasia is the last resort, the cats will be in a better place than CR and will not have to die a slow, painful death as the rest of the several hundred unaccounted for cats. There are worse things than death and that is living in hell. That is my opinion and I understand others may differ and I respect that. |
| Jun 26, 2011 Rating | ferell So if a 1/3 of the cats are ferell is it safe to say that 1/2 the cats will die if the ordinance can not be met. Lets be realistic, not all the domesticated cats are getting adopted out. Over 300 cats could be losing their lives. |
| Jun 26, 2011 Rating | ferals My thought on your question about ferals is this…If someone takes ferals in and “owns” them, then they are responsible for their shots, medications, identification, etc. It’s a different story if ferals are living independantly and are not owned by anyone as no one is responsible for them. But once CR takes a cat in, they are now responsible. According to CR’s website they claim the ferals receive shots and medical care(which I recommend going and reading the live journal as I don’t have the time to find the actual statement). They also claim Craig’s got some type of special super power where he nets ferals like no one’s ever seen. They are falsely advertising stating that the ferals are provided the same care as the domestics. We know that isn’t possible. As far as the number of ferals I saw, how could I answer that question? The ferals don’t hang out around the general population, they are most likely to leave the five acres. There are two different contradictory statements on CR’s website as far as what percentage are feral. One statement says the majority are feral but at a later date they state that the majority are domestic. You see, they contradict themselves so many times, I can’t believe a word they say. You asked how I suggest they catch the ferals, put a collar on them, vaccinate them, medicate them…well, that’s not my problem to figure out as I’m not the one who takes in ferals without having a solution to that problem. That is something CR needs to figure out and should have had a plan for when they decided to take ferals. I’m not sure that I agree that all the ferals will be put down because how are you going to catch them as many have left the enclosed 5 acres? The feral population will naturally dwendle. A feral cat has a life expectancy of 5 years living in the wild. It may be a little lower in the Caboodle Ranch area with the large population of coyotes. |
| Jun 26, 2011 Rating | ferell Dana, let me ask you something since you volunteered there, what percentage are ferrel? Now you write about adopting out, who is going to adopt a ferrel cat? If they arent adopted out, what happens to them? Most people brought ferells there as a last resort. I know I did. |
Another thing thing that I was curious about. How does one put a collar on a ferrel cat? If you are
able to do so, how does one capture a ferell cat to make sure he/she is up to date on shots, medical treatment, etc. if food is readily available to them?
It seems to me that if he does not comply the ferells will be euthanized where in reality this place is perfect for ferells as it stands now. Who
speaks for them?
| Jun 26, 2011 Rating | cats won’t be euthanized if Caboodle Ranch will start adopting Caboodle Ranch has 6 mo. to get into compliance. That gives plenty of time to adopt out cats. If they choose to hang onto the cats down to the last minute out of their own selfish reasons then they are the ones responsible for the death of the cats. We are begging that Caboodle Ranch start adopting out cats and not but their fate at risk. |
| Jun 25, 2011 Rating | new ordinance will make caboodle ranch better Did you read the ordinance? Caboodle Ranch can file for a special permit to have more than 30 cats if they can show proof they can provide the standards of care and required record keeping. If they can’t do either of those then they shouldn’t be in business. |
| Jun 25, 2011 Rating | new ordinance How are they going to adopt out ferrel cats? I would say most of the cats dropped off when I was there were ferrel. My cat was ferrel. If I read the ordinance correctly, they will receive a death sentence. You people are happy about this, I’m pissed. I bet half the cats there are going to be killed. I was all for making this place better but this went way too far. On behalf of my ferrel cat and others like her, I might switch sides and give to his legal defense to fight this. |
| Jun 25, 2011 Rating | Check this out https://pictures-of-cats.org/the-right-to-keep-cats.html |
| Jun 14, 2011 Rating | Dale I thought we agreed to disagree. No they are not rumors. I have my sources and I am not going to share them with you or publicly. A visitor in April said the infirmary was still in the old trailer. Maybe the new building is up but not in use. I don’t care if you believe or not. I’m not here to convince the non-believers and quite frankly having these debates are unproductive. |
There are plenty of articles on the internet written by well respected agencies about animal control officers and local vets turning the other way. There are also many cases you can read in which this was an issue. I’m not going to go search for every article for you. Google it yourself. Why would I survey a vet or animal control officer to ask them if they turned a bling eye? Let’s get real here. Do you think I would get a “yes” to that?
Anyways, I don’t wish to continue this debate. It is falling on death ears. Nothing you say is going to change THE HORRORS I SAW!
| Jun 14, 2011 Rating | dale about animal control inspection There is proof that the inspection was not a surprise but there are some things that can’t be shared at this time publicly. If you want all the details, stick around for a while. They will slowly surface. |
| Jun 14, 2011 Rating | Just a note or two Dana, I was rereading your comments to me, and again you resort to rumors. “Last I heard the place is only cleaned twice a week.” If, as you say, nobody is allowed in, how do you know this is true? You also say it’s common for vets and officials to turn blind eyes and you suggested I do some research. I’m curious how you researched that point. Did you survey vets and officials and ask them when they turned a blind eye to a problem? There’s no question inadequate regulations are a problem in our world–look at our latest financial disaster, but do you know for a fact this malfeasance happened with Caboodle? If you are only assuming, then once again you are dealing in innuendo. I have never been to the Haven sanctuary and only looked at the video. If by eerily similar to Caboodle you mean they both had cats, I agree. It appeared that lots of cats were caged, but I don’t have enough evidence to say the places are similar in their treatment of animals. I don’t know if a vet came on a regular basis, if cats had sufficient water, food, and bedding. I couldn’t make that judgment with the evidence at hand. You say I may not have the whole picture of the Ranch. I covered all the existing trails, watched Craig handle the cats, saw the staff doing chores, walked the fence line and was there from morning to night. What did I miss that would give me a different perspective? The new infirmary is up, fenced. When I was there, Craig was improving the filtration in his watering stations. This is a work in progress. Some of the documents in the Save the Kitties site are over 2 years old. There have been many improvements, and will be more. Anonymous, you said that AC gives notice prior to inspecting, but Jamie’s last report specifically said it was unannounced. I am of another generation, and when I hear people saying Caboodle should be closed, it reminds me of the Vietnam era when soldiers used said, “We had to destroy the village to save it.” Didn’t make sense then, and doesn’t now. I do think Caboodle could be a prized destination for Lee. I’ll do what I can to help make that happen. |
| Jun 14, 2011 Rating | dale I read your posts and I agree with some of the things you say, however, even though I think Craig started with good intentions, for the CR to succeed, Craig needs help in management and he needs to be able to take direction from people. In my opinion, this place is mismanaged by him. You say to donate, well I did, did it go to put up a quality fence, no, I saw cats outside the fence and holes dug underneath the fence. Wouldnt the prudent thing to do is put up quality fencing first before you start taking in more and more cats. Also, if nobody complained would there be a fence. How about the paperwork for the cats, thats a fiasco. Bottom line, Craig may love the cats but it is my opinion that he is running this place by trial and error and along the way some cats have paid the price. If Craig stepped aside and you put an experienced person in charge this place would be great. |
| Jun 13, 2011 Rating | I appreciate your response Dale Thanks Dale for your last response. You are right, we both feel really strong about our positions and nothing is going to change that. |
I believe to the best of my knowledge based on what you have said that you are honest in what you saw. Do I think you may not be seeing the whole picture? Yes. But either way I have no fued with you or other Caboodle Ranch fans.
We’ve even had Caboodle Ranch fans come to our FB page and after reading all the information and seeing all the pictures have decided to join us in our quest.
Best wishes Dale and I do hope for the sake of the cats that you are able to volunteer as often as possible since no one else is allowed in to help.
| Jun 13, 2011 Rating | caboodle fan Dana, you are right. I saw what I saw. You saw what you claim you saw. I am not trying to change your mind, I’m just reporting my experience and giving my opinion of the Ranch. |
Anonymous; I live in northern NJ and have absolutely no relationship to Craig or Nanette, other than meeting them last June and again this March. I asked if I could visit the Ranch and was told I could. I didn’t question it. Because of my experience in March, I will help the Ranch whenever I can. Cats are not dying by the thousands, people are being helped and it is a worthwhile project for me to assist in any way.
Many people have had positive experiences at Caboodle. There’s really no point in continuing this discussion. You all feel strongly about your perspective, as do I about mine, and I assume we will continue in our respective quests.
| Jun 13, 2011 Rating | Dale what is your relationship with Craig? Dale, just curious what your relationship is with Craig? Is he a friend or relative? Are you a rescuer that sends cats? Or are you just someone who doesn’t have a personal stake in Caboodle Ranch and truly did see what you claim? The reason I ask is because there are comments on an article about the recent raid on a hoarding situation at Haven Acres cat sanctuary. A couple of the people, who posted about how they only seen wonderful things at Haven Acres, turned out to be the owners’ children. It’s hard to trust anyone anymore. Others affiliated with Caboodle Ranch have also posted under false identities in the past and commented how wonderful Caboodle Ranch was. I don’t doubt that people have seen Caboodle Ranch is a positive light but it is my educated guess that it was an exception not the norm. Animal control gives notice prior to inspections. |
| Jun 13, 2011 Rating | more to dale We’ve all hashed out this same ole story over and over. And quite frankly I’m tired of trying to defend our position. That is why www.facebook.com/caboodleranch.savethekitties was created. So people could go through the documents, eye witness testimony, and browse the pictures and make up their own minds. |
As far as volunteering, read Caboodle Ranch’s website. They don’t accept volunteers, lawyers orders. They believe all volunteers are spies. Paranoid. Have you considered why they only allow visitors on Saturday when they used to allow them daily? Is Saturday the only day that the ranch is acceptable for viewing?
Look. You saw what you saw and we saw what we saw. So you can try and convince me and whoever else you want that Caboodle Ranch is a paradise but you’re wasting your breath on us. The only way to save those cats is to get them out of the care of Craig Grant. Period.
| Jun 13, 2011 Rating | To Dale There is another FB page that is also dedicated in educating the public about the horrific conditions at caboodle ranch. It’s www.facebook.com/caboodleranch.savethekitties |
It has official reports from independent agencies and other documentation such as a court order. You can find these docs under the discussion tab. I guess you came on a “cleaning day”. The last I heard the place is only cleaned 2 days a week.
What sane person has a goal of owning 1000-3000 cats? That alone should a big fat RED FLAG that this is a hoarding situation.
And it is very common for vets and officials to turn a blind eye in situations like this. Do some research and you will understand why. Have you read about the Haven Acres cat sanctuary recent raid in Gainesville, FL? It was a hoarding situation and eerily similar to Caboodle Ranch. The animal control officer wrote a positive report 2 weeks before the raid.
| Jun 13, 2011 Rating | Part 2 I am a Caboodle Fan Caboodle’s Angels say they exist to help the cats. Then some say they would close the Ranch. What would become of the cats then? Shelters are full–dozens would be euthanized. How would that help the cats? Why would you want to close the Ranch? Why wouldn’t you want to make it better? It is a work in progress. There are new buildings, a new infirmary, and new staff. I met Debe, Patrick, and Jon, who are a tremendous help to Craig. Debe is a member of PETA, ASPCA, and the Humane Society. She will not allow animal abuse. Instead of criticizing the fencing, have a fund-raiser and help improve it. Send a gift instead of a poison letter. Build, don’t destroy. I reviewed the stories by Caboodle detractors. Some say the Ranch should be cleaner. It was in great shape when I was there in March. The new infirmary is fenced and closed to healthy cats. Many of the complaints could be addressed if Craig had more help. Someone suggested on the CA site that Craig was collecting donations for himself. Many people bring cats and are unable to give a donation, so the care of the cats becomes the Ranch’s responsibility. I was there when a woman brought 16 cats because she lost her house and job. She could not donate, but Craig did not refuse her animals. Don’t forget, it was Craig’s own money that bought the original place. I’ve seen some photos of damaged cats posted. I could post beautiful pictures of cats at the Ranch, but a snapshot at a moment in time gives no context. Did the cat just get there in poor condition? Has it been treated and is improving? When I was there one of the cats had liver disease and was not eating. Craig gave him fluids and I hand-fed him for 4 days. He is now well and gaining weight. That’s what helping cats is all about. Craig has built a wonderful foundation at the Ranch. There’s an opportunity to create a beautiful sanctuary–a permanent home for unloved cats. Why not focus energy on building instead of destroying? We would all benefit. |
| Jun 13, 2011 Rating | I am a Caboodle fan I am in awe of the dedication and love that Craig Grant gives to his animals. I have been following Caboodle’s Angels on Facebook, and hope some of the followers will read my comments with an open mind. I am female, in my 70s, and recently retired as a consultant in pharmaceutical marketing. Before that, I was an environmental paralegal and a chemistry teacher. I currently volunteer with a Rescue Dog Squad (find lost hikers), Community Response Team (3rd responders to disaster), and with homeless children. Part of my search for volunteer opportunities led me to Caboodle. I visited for 2 days last June, and asked to spend part of a March 2011 Florida vacation at the Ranch. I meant to stay about 1 day, but was so thrilled with the Ranch and Craig’s dedication that I stayed 4 full days. I am whole-heartedly in favor of Craig and the Ranch’s success. Some of the comments on CA Facebook page do not describe the conditions I saw in March. And some critics mistake opinion for fact, and smears and innuendos for truth. For example, when a vet writes a favorable report (I was there when a vet came), the inference is he writes it that way to keep business. When Animal Control Officer Jamie’s report is also favorable, the suggestion is he is in Craig’s pocket. These comments defame and do not enhance CA cause. I walked the entire tract, looked in pens, trailers, and am absolutely certain that 80% of the animals are NOT sick. Not all animals are in perfect shape, though many are beautifully fit. Many cats are rescues and come to the Ranch in all kinds of conditions. (Refer to the latest vet and AC report.) Claims, such as “cats are being eaten all the time by coyotes,” are also specious. Where is the evidence? The latest smear is that the previous governor instigated an investigation of Caboodle. When you read further, you find that Jamie got one call from the governor’s office which did not specify what was to be investigated. Maybe the governor had a cat he wanted to rehome. We don’t know as Jamie returned the call, but never got a response. He concluded the investigation was either dropped or done by another agency. So saying an investigation was started is false. Some complain about Craig’s short temper. What difference does that make in the treatment of the cats? You only have to read his blog from the beginning to realize the dedication and love he has for the animals. How many of you would give up your career and move to a parcel of land with nothing more than a sleeping bag? That’s rhetorical. Can he be irascible? Absolutely. Does that stop him from putting in 14-hour days every day to make cats as comfortable as possible? I’ve seen him work and am amazed at his energy. Watch how the cats respond to him and love him. continued |
| Jun 11, 2011 Rating | New Story At Least 700 Cats Seized |
Check this out. Please no bad language or it will be taken off and commenter blocked
| May 20, 2011 Rating | none There are so many cats already gone from CR. Look at past pictures where the grounds were littered with cats…. what do we see now in the recent photos? How sad is that? Pictures speak a thousand words and don’t tell lies. |
| May 19, 2011 Rating | re: took cats back I agree that the place would be a better option for ferels, HOWEVER, there has to be a and court order or something that limits the number of cats. AND that fence needs to be cat and coyote proof so for 1.the cats are safe and aren’t going to getting eaten buy coyotes and 2. They don’t go off the propery and become a nuissance ro neighbors. |
| May 19, 2011 Rating | re: took cats back How long ago was this? I do agree that ferals would do better there but there still needs to be a max number. It’s not sanitary to have that many cats enclosed in 5 acres. Also, he absolutely needs to put up cat proof fencing or else they are just going to climb out or coyotes climb in and get eaten by coyotes, or become road kill. I’d like to talk to you in confidentiality. Please call me at 618-772-8315 or email at caboodleranch.savethekitties@gmail.com |
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| May 19, 2011 Rating | took my cats back I dropped off a few cats at CR. I really didnt know what to expect. Craig put our 1 yr olds in a pen. My opinion of Craig is he is rude and arrogant but does care for the cats. At first I thought maybe this was all a scam and he was getting rich off of this but I didnt see any evidence of that. We gave him the paper work for the cats and a check. As I recall we did not sign anything. What puzzled me at the time was how did he know which paperwork goes for which cat. Anyway, we said we would call to see how the cats were adjusting. We called often. Craig said they were doing great. A month later, we were unable to get in touch with Craig, so we decided to visit. We went there and I was surprised to see my cats still in the pen. My wife didnt like the way they looked, depressed is the word she used, so we made the decision to take them. At first Craig was reluctant but then gave in. We left with cats and took them to a vet, they had fleas. The only thing I regret not doing is verbally abusing Craig after the way he spoke to my wife. IMO this place is for feral cats only. I will say one thing I did not see anywhere near that many cats as depicted in the pix on the CR website roaming in the open. |
| May 18, 2011 Rating | Feral Cats First of all, I have had two feral colonies I cared for along with several other folks, one has 30+ cats and one has 15 cats. There is no way you can catch a feral cat with a net unless they are in an enclosed building in a small confined space. I know I have tried, talk about greased lightening when someone comes towards them. Feral cats do not, under any circumstances, like people. The only way a so called feral will allow human touch is if at one time it was a pet. So, I would love to have seen Craig catch a feral cat with a net and then given him pills or drops of any kind. Who does he think he is kidding?? Even if he was trapping them, he would still be hard pressed to touch them without some heavy duty gear on, and then it is still doubtful that he could accomplish that. Hell he uses clorox wipes to clean the cats eyes??DUH?? |
| May 18, 2011 Rating | in response to revolution question PARASITE CONTROL: The way Graig’s system is “supposed” to work is that every month all the cats get revolution. (Which is how often an animal that is outside should be medicated. Otherwise it doesn’t work) At the time they receive revolution they all get same color band around their neck to identify when they last had their treatment…. I spent Feb 8, 2011 from morning till 8:00p applying revolution. I was only able to treat about 110 during that time period. I wanted to go all night to get them all finished but of course that wasn’t going to happen because Craig wanted to wrap things up. I was not going to be left out of his sight. |
If you look through their photos you can identify the last time they had revolution. The blue bands mean they had them last fall (straight from Craigs mouth. The red or orange bands mean they had them Feb 8,2011 when I treated them. When I was there some had yellow bands that were very faded and worn out so those cats were treated before the blue bands were. If they don’t have a band at all then that means they haven’t received treatment.
I can’t possibly conceive how he would be able to give a feral cat revolution. He’d have to catch first. I believe I read on their website somewhere that he catches the ferals with a net and takes him 30 min to treat all the cats. They claim to have 650 it’s impossible, even laughable(I don’t have time at the moment to go through all their posts to find it.)Anyone who has any knowledge about ferals will tell you that’s impossible. They can out run you and climb trees. You have to set up a trap and lure them into it with food.
| May 18, 2011 Rating | Animals welfare? I really don’t think the governors or mayors or shelter directors really give a damn about what goes on in the state of Florida! Or any other Southern State, for that matter! They still gas animals to death and stick needles in their hearts!!! Does that sound like they would be of any help? Look at Miami-Dade, for example, they usually don’t even put cats on the adoption floor: they just automatically kill them, no sedation, just heartstick or whatever they have, no cameras in the deathrooms. Pitbull-type dogs are just murdered every day in shelters and AC facilities across the country! Abuse and killings are going on in the thousands every single day and Florida is one of the worst for cats! What do you think the mayors and governors are going to do if the directors don’t even try??? Some of these places are so disease filled and so abusive toward cats and if the directors don’t even care about heat or air conditioning for the animals, including newborns, the mayors and governors are going to spend the money on any else! Very sad realities! |
| May 18, 2011 Rating | Question for Dana I read on another site that the cats are given revolution. Do the ferrel cats receive that too? |
| May 17, 2011 Rating | governor Hi, We can’t state here in an open forum what actions we are currently taking. However if what we are working on doesn’t pan out we can go the route of the governor. How do we get better search engine optimization? |
| May 17, 2011 Rating | No title I have read the comments here and save the kitties. Has anyone contacted the Governor of Florida. Let him know whats going on in his backyard. Send him some proof and or concerns and you will see some results. If he gets a few letters, it could get your ball rolling. Also, get an animal rights attorney pro bono to see what they can do on yours and the cats behalf. Last, get better search engine optimization, so your concerns come up on the first page when you google “caboodle ranch”. |
| May 15, 2011 Rating | Petitioning Yes, I’d love to, but it’s a 415 mile drive for me, although I do live in FL. If my truck would make it that far I’d do it in a heartbeat!! Each time I went up there I had to rent a car (costly)…and gas right now is way expensive as well 🙁 |
| May 15, 2011 Rating | about signs We would but most of us drove there out of state. If we had anybody down there we would. We are working on something that may happen soon. |
| May 15, 2011 Rating | No title If you want to see quick results regarding fixing up the CR, you should stand with signs stating your concerns off the I10 exit to the ranch. Then call the press. |
| May 09, 2011 Rating | To the negative posters I dont know who is right or wrong in this argument. My question is has there been an independent agency or authority that has investigated the claims that some people are writing about? If so when was the report and what was the outcome. |
Also, and I am serious about this, if what some people are writing is true, cats dying left and right, on and off the property, does anyone have any
physical evidence? Wouldnt some of the alleged mauled and dying cats be off the property? Wouldnt the neighbors have physical proof to present?
| May 09, 2011 Rating | missing cats In regards to this comment made by anonymous: |
“Just because you haven’t seen every single person who lives in a city doesn’t mean that they have all died horribly, does it?”
What a pitifull analogy. First off cats are different than humans. Humans change their habits due to having a more advanced brain than cats. You can’t compare apples to oranges. But I will try since you made an effort.
If there is a city in which thousands of people came out and greeted visitors every single day over several years and suddenly they no longer came out to meet visitors, one would assume that something was wrong.
| May 09, 2011 Rating | Re: the cats are there Susan is right. When I was there in Feb, I’d say I saw about 200 that were easily visible roaming or laying around. I saw about another 100 inside trailers and holding pens. A large number of the roaming cats were always around me wanting attention. So if those same cats are still there then they would be greeting the new visitors in the same way they’ve greeted so many others in the past. |
Whoever made that post about the cats being there needs to read up on cat behaviors. They obviously have no clue. In fact, everyone running Caboodle Ranch has no clue about cats. If Craig knew anything he wouldn’t be using Clorox wipes in cats ears and noses and he wouldn’t be using the same medicine dropper on multiple cats spreading diseases. He would have also known that cats climb and can climb right over that rinky dink fence put up or dig under to get out.
| May 09, 2011 Rating | Old Pictures The reason we say that is because all the tons of videos and pictures Caboodle Ranch has ever posted there are always tons of cats. Feeding time or not. Like anonymous said there were always cats laying around. Now there is a significant decrease in that number. Cats all the sudden don’t change behavior. I know plenty about cats and they are creatures of habit. |
| May 09, 2011 Rating | RE: the cats are there Is that you Nanette? Sounds just like what was posted on CR live journal. There used to be tons of cats hanging out in the main area. Now there are just a few. Why suddenly would they stop hanging in the main area? The cats that used to be there were starving for attention and hundreds would come out to greet visitors. Now people are saying that it looks deserted. |
| May 09, 2011 Rating | The cats are there! So many people are saying that they have only seen a few cats, and that that must mean that all the rest are dead. Obviously they know nothing about cats in general. Some cats like to meet people, race around in the open, and generally make themselves visible. Many cats are wary of strangers, and some can be outright scared- especially if they were mistreated before they were rescued, which is unfortunately common. Keep in mind that there is a significant amount of forest, and that cats can clime trees and hid in undergrowth. Just because you haven’t seen every single person who lives in a city doesn’t mean that they have all died horribly, does it? |
| May 05, 2011 Rating | It’s hell Michael, there’s just to much to say. The simplest way to put it…the place is hell. The numbers say it all. They have taken in over a thousand cats over the years and recent witness have reported seeing around 100. Missing cats was one of the big red flags that brought down Tiger Ranch. |
| May 05, 2011 Rating | More info This lady added to the debate: Warning! |
| May 02, 2011 Rating | good luck Well I truly wish the best for you and your cats. I’d hate to be in that situation of having to make that decision. For future references, try contacting Ally Cat Allies and see if they can offer an alternative for you. Also, there is another sanctuary called Cat House on the Kings in CA that takes stray cats but after what I went through with Caboodle Ranch I won’t take another animal anywhere without checking the place out first hand. Although Best Friends doesn’t take ferals, they have lots of resources and can give you guidance as well. Take care. |
| May 02, 2011 Rating | answer The hug was metaphorical. We caught and had the cats nuetered. We released them and they lived in my backyard. We fed them after they would cry and then decided to take them to the ranch only after our local shelter said they would take them but would kill them after a certain amount of days and every and I mean every veterinarian office declined to take them. We were also told by our vet that their lifespan in our area, the North East, would be limited. I thought, and still do, even with all the risks presented here that we made the correct decision for these cats. We dont have coyotes but we have cars and harsh winters. |
| May 01, 2011 Rating | were your cats feral or strays To recent visitor, |
You said you gave the cats hugs. Are you sure those weren’t stray cats? There’s a difference between stray and feral. If they were truly feral you wouldn’t have been able to touch them without getting ripped up.
If they were strays that were previously owned by someone then they’re domesticated and won’t have a good chance of surviving at Caboodle Ranch.
| May 01, 2011 Rating | No title Elisa, first off they werent my babies. They were feral cats that chose to live in my backyard. My wife and I drove 900 miles so they woulnt have to live in a cage or be killed by our local shelter. So to answer you question, I have absolutely no problem seeing them in a pen for a short period of time. |
| May 01, 2011 Rating | OK I have to say this How can you leave your cats somewhere in a PEN? If I went to visit and saw my babies in a cage begging for me to take them back home, well I’m sorry. I’d have to take my cats home. Its different if they’re living somewhere they can walk free and be safe and loved. But a cage? |
Does anyone else feel this way?
| May 01, 2011 Rating | to recent visitor The current people helping there aren’t volunteers. They are paid. I did volunteer for two days in Feb and I did report what I saw. Most of the heartbreaking sights I saw were inside the trailers in which at the time no one had access to. Carolyn volunteered there for 8 days and reported what she saw. A vet and his wife volunteered there to spay/nueter some cats and the place was so unsanitary that they couldn’t do their job. They reported what they saw. |
The stories of the horrors that people have reported will bring tears to anyone’s eyes. No one can make that stuff up. Not even the most creative writer. The stories are at Facebook “Caboodle Ranch: Save the kitties” under the discussion board.
Craig is only going to hire people he personally knows as insurance to keep people from reporting him. I don’t know his relationship with Debe but I do know he personally knows the ground raker and of course his son. So of course these people have a loyalty to Craig. Keep in mind that this is a small town and there aren’t a whole lot of jobs so one may turn a blind eye to things they normally wouldn’t because they need a job. I don’t know much about Debe but I did meet her while I was there and yes she is very nice. However, she saw the same filthy trailers I did and the same dying cats in those trailers. She commented to Craig that she could stay on top of the trailers better if she came at least every other day. So it’s obvious at the time she was aware of the conditions of the cats and the filth and she did not speak out. Maybe she stays around because she really thinks she can make a difference and I hope she can get Craig to listen to her. No one else in the past has had luck making suggestions to him without him getting angry and banning them.
I hope that telling our stories will put pressure on Craig to do the right things to provide the cats a safe and healthy environment. If everyone turns a blind eye then there would be no incentive on his part to make changes.
| May 01, 2011 Rating | to recent visitor I personally can’t tell you where the remains are. A neighbor told me that he’s seen them in the dumpster and some have claimed to see mounds. Many I’m sure are outside the fenced area in the forest area decaying. Some neighbors have found them dead on their property. |
What numbers are you referring to that people are reporting? The number of cats that have been taken in or the numbers that they’ve seen? The numbers that are estimated he has taken in are based on claims Craig has made his self. In the fall Craig tauted on Colbert Report and other interviews that he had 650 cats. At the rate he takes them in he should have over a thousand by now. It’s easy to estimate how many he takes in monthly because they proudly boast on their site when they take in cats.
I saw about 300 in Feb and people are seeing a lot less now. That is just one fact that cannot be ignored. I’ve been there during feeding twice and the only cats that came around were the ones that were already hanging around.
| May 01, 2011 Rating | recent May visitor Dana, you are correct, Debbie told me it was for revolution. |
Let me clarify one thing, when I say we only saw 50 cats, we did not walk the entire property, we only walked from the gate to the main area and then to the back new comer pens and then out.
Here is something that bothers me, if all these cats are dying, where are the remains? Why arent the current volunteers speaking out? I find it hard to believe that Debbie would close her eyes to this? Now Im not saying that some cats arent dying, I just find the numbers that some people are writing about hard to believe.
They tell me that the cats come around when the food comes out, I was not there for that, so I guess if somebody was or will be there during feeding time they can give a definitive answer about the number of cats.
Here is my final opinion of the CR, I think its great for feral cats. It could be organized and run a lot better. They should adopt the friendly cats they have their .I dont look at it as a “sanctuary”, I look at it as a place where a ferel cat can get food, water and some shelter with the same risks of disease and dying as where I live, instead of coyotes, we have cars. With that being said the people who are speaking out are maiking a differnce, there is now a fence.
| May 01, 2011 Rating | fence The fence needs to be torn down and rebuilt because it is completely inadequate to keep cats in and coyotes out. They need to install a cat proof fence such as Purrfect Fence. |
The fence needs to be buried several feet deep so cats nor coyotes can dig under. It’s important that the cats are kept in because if they get out we are still going to have the problem of them getting eaten by coyotes. Also, the gate doors need to be modified too because cats slip right between them. I’m sure there is a solution for that if they would care enough to fix it.
Instead of spending money on suing people and trying to built a senior center, they need to take care of the problems at hand.
| May 01, 2011 Rating | to whomever So if cats are digging under fence what do you think is going to stop the coyotes? The reason the cats are so much less in numbers is because so many have died there. When are people going to wake up. Very sad. And the lies, oh the lies, “95% of our cats are feral” BS! So many lies, the list can go on and on. |
| May 01, 2011 Rating | to recent visitor One more thing I want to clear up with everyone that Craig and Nanette have been claiming about the collars. Those collars aren’t for recently adminsitered meds. They represent the last time they had revolution applied. I know this first hand because when I was there in Feb, I’m the one who applied the revolution and put the red and orange collars on them. They previously had blue collars on and Craig told me it had been a few months since they last had revolution. That is prob why I saw so many with parasite infestations. From recent pics I’ve seen of the ranch, they all still have red/orange collars. They should be receiving revolution monthly. So it has been 3 months since they had their last application of revolution. And if you saw cats without collars, then they haven’t had any revolution. |
| May 01, 2011 Rating | to recent visitor Thanks for sharing your experience. I agree that this place would be better for feral not domestic cats as domestic cats aren’t equipped to survive in this setting. It saddens me that you only saw about 50 cats. That just confirms what recent visitors have said of seeing around 100. We’ve asked Nanette and Craig where the rest of the cats are but we don’t get an answer. It’s estimated they’ve taken in thousands over the years. |
I’m also concerned about the bob-wire. Cats are going to get injured climbing over to get out. Craig just has no knowledge when it comes to running that place or taking care of a large number of cats. He needs to take up offers of experts to come in and help him set up a plan and show him how to operate properly. There is cat proof fencing cat cat Purrfect Fence that cats cannot get out of that other sanctuaries use.
| Apr 30, 2011 Rating | my visit I will tell you what I did and did not witness as well as my opinion on the ranch. This was my second visit there. I said I was going in May but went today. I had dropped off 2 cats a month a go and went for a visit. OK lets start. |
Parked the car, my wife and I got out and observed a lot less cats walking around outside of the gate. There were other people bringing cats so we waited for Craig. During this time I looked around we did not see any unhealthy looking cats, last time I was there, there were sneezing cats. The cats did look clean. I will say we did not observe a lot of cats walking around. There seemed to us to be a lot more walking around last time. We asked how many cats were at the ranch and were told over 400, we saw less than 50.
Craig came,he did remember us after a while, and took us to see our cats who were still in the pen. Along the Path, I observed the fence with barbed wire on top, however, I did see a cat on the other side of the fence and a place were digging occurred underneath the fence. I did not see any signs that there was a scaling of the fence.
We saw our cats who looked healthy and clean gave them a hug and left.
We DID NOT observe any dead cats, dried blood, or coyotes.
We did observe some cats with colored collars used to keep track of administered medications
Now here is my opinion, Craig is very rude, Debbie is very nice who volunteers her time and runs the infirmary. I think this place is perfect
for feral cats. I think a house cat is a different story, I dont think they get enough love and attention that some seem to crave and those should be put up for adoption. A few cats were rubbing up against us.
Any questions? I will try to answer them.
| Apr 28, 2011 Rating | To Jeff You know as good as well as I do that the cats climb over that fence and roam off the property so don’t use the excuse of dumped cats being the problem for all the problems at Caboodle Ranch. |
Now tell me how you know for certain that only dumped cats are the only ones causing damage to neighbors properties. It doesn’t matter if they are dumped or have been properly taken in. They GET OUT. Have you spoken with the neighbors? I have. These neighbors never had a problem with cats until Craig moved into the area. Explain that.
How do you know that all cats go through an intake and are nuetered? Have you stuck around for a few days to verify the cats you’ve brought were taken to the vet? Or, are you basing your claims based on what Craig or Nanette have told you? When I brought a shelter cat (but thank God I didn’t leave her), Craig was not interested in her vet papers and did not ask me to fill out an intake form.
If they all go through an intake process, then explain how some people have brough cats to CR and came back a short period later to find that their cats were not in the holding pens and are missing.
If you want to know the percentage of cats Dr. Levy found at Caboodle Ranch during her visit then contact her and ask for a copy of her report. Thank you.
| Apr 28, 2011 Rating | I have done my research (Part 1) I HAVE done my research and a few cats being dumped does not explain the numerous amounts of kittens being born there. If Craig is truly in tune with the cats and knows them all as he claims then he will notice that new ones are there and have them taken to the vet immediately to have them sterilized. If you want to do some research ask to see copies of all initial vet evaluations for every cat that has come into the ranch. Let me know what you find. |
A report done by vet Dr. Julie Levy from UF in 2009 found several unsterilized cats roaming the property. She didn’t find any documents on the cats at the ranch so no one knows if Craig is taking cats to the vet when they come in. They should all be seperated and taken to the vet immediately to be tested for diseases and sterilized no matter how the cats got there.
If Craig does not want cats coming into his property without his knowledge then he needs to keep current cats in and other cats and predators out. He needs to be responsible in running his ranch. The problem of dumped cats can be solved easily but Craig does not welcome suggestions so I don’t know how we can help him. But here are my suggestions for dealing with dumped cats:
1. Install cat proof fencing such as Purrfect Cats (www.purrfectfence.com) so that dumped cats don’t get in to intermingle with current cats until Craig properly takes them in and seperates them from the other cats and takes them to the vet.
2. Have identification tags on all his current cats so he know which ones are his.
3. Have ears clipped to know which cats are sterilized.
| Apr 28, 2011 Rating | I have done my research (Part 2) He can also always consult with organizations who have experience in running sanctuaries such as Best Friends as how to deal with the problems he’s experiencing. They offer free evaluations. Caboodle Ranch isn’t the only outdoor cat sanctuary in the world so he could consult those sanctuaries to see how they handle dumped cats. But unfortunately he won’t because no one is going to tell him how to run his place as he’s told myself and others. |
A report done by vet Dr. Julie Levy from UF in 2009 found several unsterilized cats roaming the property. She didn’t find any documents on the cats at the ranch so no one knows if Craig is taking cats to the vet when they come in. They should all be seperated and taken to the vet immediately to test for diseases and sterilized no matter how the cats got there.
I have spent countless hours researching before I make any claims. I have spoken to numerous witnesses and experts and have copies of official reports. If you want to get to the bottom of the truth you will do the same.
Craig needs to run his sanctuary responsibly and quit blamming others for its inadequacies. He and Nanette make excuses for every criticism. Instead of wasting so much time defending people’s concerns. They need to spend time fixing the problems. The fence has been an issue for years now.
We hope that pointing out the issues at Caboodle Ranch that it would put pressure on them to fix the problems. But instead they choose to waste donation money and time suing people.
| Apr 28, 2011 Rating | Full of crap If you were smart enough to do a real investigation, you would find that the cats having kittens and causing damage are one that have been dumped and NOT go through the intake process. On a recent trip to the ranch to surrender my mother”s cats (she passed away) we watched a car dump cats and leave, we tried to get the tage and report them but the took off like the criminals they were. |
All of the cats that go through intake are nutered before they go into population. I am sure one might slip in from the outside, but I am glad to see how perfect you are and that you never make mistakes. If you put one tenth of the energy you put out to defaime Caboodle Ranch into energy in helping them there would be no issues.
80% of the cats are sick, bull&^%$ and you know better. If i thought for one second that the work was not worthy I would be on the way to shut them down. What do you do every day of your life to take care of unwanted animals, kill them? Shame on you!
| Apr 24, 2011 Rating | To Michael Hi Michael. I wish it were easy to summarize what is going on at Caboodle Ranch. Things are not getting better that’s for sure. Someone was there a month ago and then again this week. Still about 80% of cats are sick or injured despite what the animal control report says. The population of the cats has decreased drastically. Only explanation is death from illnesses and coyote attacks. The person that was recently there had taken 15 strays there in Feb that she had been caring for. The second trip she only found four. The third trip, unfortunately, only one was left. It collapsed as it walked toward her. I was in the area two weeks ago and went around speaking with neighbors. They are still having problems with cats damaging their property, cats scratching at their windows trying to get in their houses, cats killing all the birds that they feed, cats having kittens in the back of pickup trucks and under porches…it goes on and on. They’ve complained to authorities but nothing is done about it. Unfortunately a couple neighbors have had to resort to shooting cats to protect their property. They also said the area is a feeding ground for coyotes with all the cats roaming freely. It draws the coyotes literally in their back yard. |
Michael, thanks for allowing us to use this forum to discuss the issues at Caboodle Ranch. This forum has saved a lot of cats from going there. It’s allows people to hear both sides of the story and make an informed decision.
If you’d like to keep up to date with new developments, you can follow discussions at our new Caboodle Angel’s Facebook community at
| Apr 24, 2011 Rating | Summarise I wonder is someone could summarise the comments. Is the conclusion that Caboodle Ranch is good, bad or average? |
I haven’t the time I am afraid to read the comments. My impression is that Caboodle is more hell than heaven but a summary would help.
| Apr 23, 2011 Rating | multiple posts If this is your first time posting on this board. You only need to submit your comment once. It takes a few minutes to show up. |
| Apr 23, 2011 Rating | Fencing First off before I start. Yes,I’ve been there so I know about the fencing as well. Taller fencing is not going to keep the cats inside and the coyotes out. First, the cat and coyotes already dig under it. Secondly, cats are going to climb over any fence such as the one Craig has no matter how high. The only way to keep cats inside a fence is to dig the fence in deeper into the ground AND install a fence that is specifically designed to keep cats in such as http://www.purrfectfence.com/outdoor_cat_enclosures.asp |
Many reputable sanctuaries use this fence.Perhaps if he wasn’t spending so much money on lawyer fees for those who are warning the world not to bring their cats to him based on their experiences, he could afford a fence designed for cats.
| Apr 23, 2011 Rating | To “anonymous” going to C R in May My suggestion to you would be to bring your camera..snap pictures of the cats. This can involved any area of the property. Ask to be able to roam the entire fenced in area. Also, ask to see the various areas where cats may be housed..the kennels, etc. Ask to see the infirmary, and see just what kind of response you get to that one…he will not allow it! Things must be pretty darn awful in there for him to become so defensive on that subject. As you’ve heard from others, Craig Grant does not believe in humane euthanasia, and no matter how badly a cat is suffering, it will die a slow, painful death…this is horrible. Also, please, feel free to speak with some neighbors. They are very nice, and willing to speak of the horrors they’ve observed, and the many problems they’ve had with the cats from Caboodle Ranch and with Mr. Grant. I really hope you are able to locate your kitties when you go! Best of luck!!! |
| Apr 23, 2011 Rating | Fooled by Caboodle Ranch I’ve lost all of my cats, but one, to this “sanctuary”. I’m devastated, to say the least. Now, I can’t quote how the disappeared because I have no hard evidence such as their bodies for proof, but I can say that they are no longer at Caboodle Ranch, where I trusted they’d be well cared for in a safe, secure, and happy environment. Of course it’s easy to believe that this place is a paradise for cats by viewing their website and all of the cute videos online..it’s easy to edit a website/video, as I have now found out..and my sweet kitties had to pay the price for this. My plan was to go once a month to visit so that they’d never feel I deserted or didn’t love them. Every 3 days I’d call, as Mr. Grant had instructed the night I brought them there, to check and make sure they were all doing well. Each time I called I was given the same line..”Everything’s perfect”, “they’re all here and fine”, he’d say. I was also told he’d be keeping them in the large kennels to become accustomed to their surroundings for 3-4 weeks, which is normal when relocating, so I trusted he knew what he was doing. I then found that he’d released them after only around 1 week. Both return visits I searched for hours the entire perimeter of that “5 acre” sanctuary (the other 25 are woods that he owns), calling out to them. Believe me, most would’ve come to my calling, but only found 4 of my 15 (I had rescued/fostered cats & found out this wasn’t allowed in my city)my 1st return visit. This seemed odd, but I just figured maybe some were upset with me still for leaving them. Also, I was told that he had “just seen them that day”. The 4 I did see seemed to be ok, with the exception of one sneezing and 2 of them each had one eye that seemed a little irritated, but I figured he’d have them cared for. My recent trip back, I realized the hard truth..all were gone,& the only survivor stood up when he saw me & attempted to walk to me, but collapsed. He’d lost weight & was weak. I took him out of there. My boyfriend asked to see the infirmary(sick ward)..that was the only place left to look. Grant refused, became very defensive, told him to get off of his property & don’t return. We took pictures that day, thank God..a lot of cats were very thin. The # of cats were much less than I’d seen there previously. We spoke with neighbors. They say coyote are abundant, they’re everywhere, and yes, they can/do kill cats. They find gutted cats in their yard frequently. They said the cats they’ve seen are very thin and appear to be starving. Yes, they’ve complained, but “it never did any good”. They’re all very unhappy with Grant. The idea of a sanctuary is to keep the animals inside of it “in”,& the predators on the outside “out”. This is not the case with CR, the fencing is inadequate. Taller fencing won’t help when there are holes dug out under the fence. The cats roam everywhere..the woods, the street, neighbors’ yards. This is NOT a safe haven for cats. |
| Apr 22, 2011 Rating | coyotes No. We are not saying all the missing cats where eaten by coyotes. A large percentage have died of upper respiratory infections, diseases, malnurishment, and hit by cars. |
| Apr 22, 2011 Rating | to anonymous According to the neighbors, they have reported it to the authorities but nothing has been done. Craig is in violation of a couple of county ordinances. 1.) cats are causing nuisances to neighbors and destroying properties. One neighbor had to give Craig the bill for the cats destroying her AC unit. The cats kill the birds that the neighbors feed. There is just too much to go into here. 2.) the county requires dogs and cats to wear their rabies tags when they are not contained. Not one cat at CR is wearing a rabies tag and freely goes in and out of the fence area. Craig has not been cited for these violations. So no, the authorities aren’t doing anything. |
Secondly, a story from the Madison County Voice featured an article on Caboodle Ranch and two neighbors commented on the article online and it was later deleted. I’ve tried commenting on the article myself and they won’t post it. Something is not right in that town.
As far as the cats showing up at feeding time, that is just another one of their ways of covering up the truth. I’ve been there during two seperate “feeding times” and 1,000’s of cats did not come running. In fact, the only ones that came around were the ones that were already in site. Want to know for yourself, ask to visit during feeding time.
When you go in May, the first thing I would look for is sneezig cats, discharge from eyes and noses, underweight cats, cats with hair loss, parasite infestations (look in ear for ear mites. there will be black gunk), cats with tilted heads, kittens (cats are supposed to be sterilized), injuries such as wounds,holes in side of cat,etc (these are probably from coyotes). Unfortunately you won’t be allowed to look in the sick bay which is where the images of a death camp are. Craig does not believe in putting an animal to sleep when it is suffering and prefers to let the cat die a slow agonizing death. That is why things are so bad in the sick ward despite what fantasy story they dream up.
In the end, I don’t care what others think. I know what I saw. I know that thousands of cats are missing. I’ve put countless hours into investigating this place. And if someone really wants to get to the bottom of the truth they will do the same. The truth will prevail. Everything will be exposed soon. Just takes time. Not sure if you’ve read the horrors that others have saw at Caboodle Ranch, if not you can read them at Caboodle Angle’s facebook group. They are located under the discussion tab.
Also, visiting hours are only one day a week for 2 hours so this also raises a red flag. What’s going on the rest of the week? Is it being cleaned? Too many things just don’t add up.
| Apr 22, 2011 Rating | No title I am going down to the CR sometime in MAY. I have commented on here before as I thought it was beneficial for the cats I brought there. For the negative posters, what specifically should I be looking for to back up your claims, what part of the property? As far as only seeing around 100 cats, I commented on that, the ranch’s response to me when I was there was when the food comes out, you will see them. |
This is a question to the previous post about the coyotes, you are implying that there are 900 eaten cats, if the neighbors are finding a lot of mutilated cats on their property, have they reported it to the proper authorities, taken pictures, gone to the press?
| Apr 21, 2011 Rating | To patricia Patricia. You say these people are developers wanting land? Please. You can come up with something better than that. Yes, many of these people have been there as have I. The sanctuary only has 5 acres enclosed. Let’s not mislead people into believing that the cats are safe outside those 5 acres. The other 25 acres is not part of the so-called “sanctuary” as it is not protected area. That’s just another misleading sales tactic of Caboodle Ranch. I’ve spoken with the neighbors and it’s almost a daily occurance for them to find dead cats in their yards gutted open and eaten by coyotes. Where do you get your information that it is a rare event that a coyote kills a cat? Maybe in the city where there are no coyotes. This is a rural area and if you want to know the facts then take a trip out there yourself, as I have, and speak with the neighbors. Also, answer this question. It’s estimated that thousands of cats have gone through those gates since the inception of Caboodle Ranch. However, the animal control report mentions seeing approximately 100. This would be in line to what a recent visitor found. So, where are all the missing cats? That’s one fact that everyone seems to ignore. |
| Apr 21, 2011 Rating | to sassycat Very well put Sassycat! |
| Apr 21, 2011 Rating | Caboodle Ranch is Great… I have been there. These people who are posting…have they ever visited the ranch? I have been there a number of times. The cats have 30 acres to roam. They have shelters. They have good, clean food and water. Craig loves them. I have taken nine cats to the ranch, and would never have left them if I thought they would not receive good care. Craig is getting in taller fenching. However, it would be a rare event for a coyote to catch a cat. As far as snakes, well in Florida, ANYONE can get bitten by a snake even if in the suburbs. Our climate is attractive to snakes, and they are here in abundance. However, snakes do not hunt cats. The only way a cat would be bitten is by accidental contact. Caboodle Ranch just received a clean bill of health. I wonder what the true motive is behind the people who want to shut down Caboodle Ranch. Perhaps some developer wants the land. When cats go to the Caboodle Ranch they have a permanent home, and DO NOT LIVE OUT THEIR EXISTENCE IN TINY CAGES!!! LEAVE THEM ALONE! |
| Apr 20, 2011 Rating | Caboodle Ranch not a sanctuary When most people think of the word “sanctuary,” they think of a safe place, free from attacks by predators. They vision a healthy place with sanitary living conditions and an abundance of food. They imagine animals receiving proper medical care when injured or sick and being isolated as to not spread diseases to the rest of the populations. THIS IS NOT WHAT GOES ON AT CABOODLE RANCH. |
It is estimated that thousands of cats have been through those gates over the years and now recent witnesses have reported seeing only 100 cats. What do you think has happened to the rest? The answer is obvious.
| Apr 18, 2011 Rating | djcat Correction: It was brought to my attention that local humane societies are not affiliated with HSUS but may have adopted HSUS standards on animal care and shelter operation. Also not all humane societies (but some do) have legal jurisdiction in their area over animal abuse and neglect. You would have to check with your local humane society to see if they do. Other agencies that may have jursdiction in your area over animal cruelty would be SPCA, local law enforcement, and animal control. Sorry for the mis-information. |
| Apr 06, 2011 Rating | clarification about humane society in Lee There is a difference between a humane society and a shelter. A humane society is typically a member of the HSUS and does have jurisdiction in animal abuse,etc.in it’s area. However, a local non-profit shelter does not. They simply take in and adopt out animals. |
| Apr 06, 2011 Rating | Re: Craig There is an animal shelter just a few miles down the road from Caboodle Ranch. Local unwanted cats is not the problem at CR. Most of the cats that end up at CR are from irresponsible rescue groups who take in more cats than they can handle and dump them onto Caboodle Ranch. CR gets cats by dozens at a time from these groups. |
Some cats do come from everyday people who want to find homes for strays they’ve taken care of. In fact, these are the people who have spoken out about the other side of CR. This is probably because these people developed a relationship with the stray(s) and couldn’t look away from the horrors. However the irresponsible rescue groups that dump cats at CR don’t care because that just relieves them of the responsibility of caring for the cats.
| Apr 06, 2011 Rating | Re: question Hi, Have you visited the website Ally Cat Allies? Perhaps they can offer you advice. Also, go to Yahoo groups and search “feral cats” and you’ll find several discussion groups. One in particular: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feral_cats/ |
Quote from Alley Cat Allies: “Sanctuaries, and other long-term shelter facilities, are generally harmful to feral cats. The confinement, and large number of cats in small rooms or areas, cause stress to the animals and introduce them to disease.”
Also read this page about ferals. It talks about how feral cats can live healthy outdoor lives and it is best to not relocate them out of their current outdoor home:
If you are able to continue to feed the cat, that is what would be best for the cat. If cold winters are a concern this link provides options for shelter:
If it is truly a feral and not just a scared stray, the cat will not be adoptable.
Be very leary of any cat sanctuary. This article by the ASPCA that discusses the signs of whether a person is a hoarder and also addresses the fact that hoarders often pose as rescue groups or sanctuaries: http://www.aspca.org/fight-cruelty/animal-hoarding
If there is anyway I can help. Please let me know. I just know that there are better options for the cat than CR or any other “sanctuary”.
| Apr 06, 2011 Rating | Question I have brought 3 cats down to the CR. I live in NJ. I have a serious question for the people who responded to my posts by talking about their negative experiences with the CR or anybody else that can help. We are thinking about catching a ferrel cat that we have been feeding, the cat is probably older than 2, my local shelter says that they will take the cat but if he/she is not adopted out, they will euthanize him, I dont want to take him to a no kill because I would feel bad if he/she had to live his/her life in a cage, what are my options if not the CR? I am looking for an alternative to something like the CR. |
| Apr 04, 2011 Rating | Craig Maybe people should donate to start a humane society in Madison County. |
| Apr 04, 2011 Rating | Re: Craig I agree that there needs to be a tracking sytem in place. He claims he is in the process of micro-chipping them but he says a lot of things. Several have said he did not do an in-take form for their cat nor ask for proof of vaccinations or spay/neutering. Know one knows how many cats have come through those gates over the years, and which ones are missing because there is no identification system. |
There isn’t a humane society in Madison County and so complaints and oversight of Caboodle Ranch is handled by the only Animal Control officer in the county. He just can’t keep up with CR. Also, he’s been accused of having sympathy for Craig and covering up for him. Don’t know this to be fact yet but it is being looked into.
Caboodle Angels intention has always been to get the the word out to the public for two reasons:
1) To raise awareness of the other side of CR that others have witnesses so that anyone considering taking a cat to Caboodle Ranch would have more information to make an informed decisionothers another side of CR to consider so they can make an informed decision instead of just making their decision based on the advertisements of CR. We have had some success at this as people have contacted Caboodle Angels and told us they changed their mind after reading the stories.
2.) The second intention was to put pressure on them and the authorities to get the place running properly.
Unfortunately this battle has been going on since 2009 and while there are times when the place looks nice after pressure is on, it appears that after the heat sizzles down things go back downhill.
I agree that Craig’s intentions were good in the beginning but now I often wonder if the fame and money has gone to his head. He’s said on many occasions that no one is going to tell him how to run his ranch. It just doesn’t make sense why he wouldn’t take up the offerings of organizations that would come in and give him advice and show him how to run the ranch properly. He is so stubborn and how can anyone help if he refuses. The only way to do that is to get authorities involved.
| Apr 04, 2011 Rating | Craig Craig’s intentions are good but he needs help with running the place. For ex. after you bring in your cat with the paperwork, he has no idea which paperwork goes with each cat or any idea what their names are, I was surprised that they didnt put collars with an id on my cat when I arrived. I am all for the ranch but I am glad people are speaking up to make it a safer, and healthier place. The work they are doing to upgrade the ranch can be directly linked to people speaking up. I think with that many cats living there, the humane society should be there twice a month to make sure things are running smoothly. |
| Apr 03, 2011 Rating | To Vickie My point exactly. I expected the insults once I disagreed with you. People who have it set in their heads that what we experienced are lies, are the people who are saying hateful things and name calling such as yourself. Whey the insults? Do you not have anything more intelligent to say? |
The insults and attacks toward us seem to be coming from people that somehow benefit from Caboodle Ranch such as family and friends and so-called no-kill rescue groups who take in too many cats and dump them off at Caboodle Ranch. They shut their eyes to the horrors there because they can keep sending cats.
It makes no sense why someone other than those people would get so emotional as yourself unless they had some stake in CR. These are the people who insult and attack us and I don’t find anything they say creditable. You can say over and over until you are blue in the face that I’m lying but that doesn’t change what I TRUTHFULLY saw.
And to answer your question about me taking in 300 cats. Because 1) that many cats in one place is not healthy for the cats or the environment. 2) I’d rather spend my time volunteering at my local shelter and continue fostering cats that need special attention. 3) If I did own my own shelter I would never take in more cats than I can handle. There is a point when enough is enough.
Also, what I saw there was so horrific that the most humane thing to do for many of the severely sick and injured cats would be to put them to sleep. Someone who prefers to keep an animal alive when they are suffering is selfish and does not consider the pain the animal is in.
Call it what you want, but vet’s everyday have to make the difficult suggestion to pet owner’s who’s animals are severely suffering that the right thing to do would be to put them to sleep.
| Apr 03, 2011 Rating | CABOODLE craig would never deny medical treatment to HIS cats, how can you say such things..?? i don’t know why i respond to websites like this but just HAD TO wanted to tell the truth about Caboodle Ranch, …AND you’re not …. hate the lies, and hope craig sues you and others for slander. its evil what your are doing… all those homeless cats living free and happy, otherwise would have been put down or starved to death… please think before you speak… |
| Apr 03, 2011 Rating | caboodle its horrible what you’re doing.. so are prepared to take in 300 or more cats, put them in cages…??? they’re happy where they are, they love their home at caboodle….you’re such a silly person, ..FIND A LIFE…. |
| Apr 03, 2011 Rating | caboodle you know dana, no sanctuary for animals is perfect but what i’ve witnessed and what the humane society and others have seen is nothing but happy cats… read final negociations for caboodle ranch… the man is doing what he needs to do and the cats are happy…. and yes he can sue for slander… hope he does, i’m sick of hearing all the garbage…. |
| Apr 03, 2011 Rating | cabood;e thanks dana, |
don’t understand your comments, ..i’ve been to caboodle many times, always seen happy cats, thats all, yes he does have sick ones he keeps seperate, and they get to live out their lives in a much better place then in a cage, waiting to be put down..
i’m not trying to convince you, i’m just speaking out for what i’ve seen, craig is a very compassionate person, and very creative, caboodle ranch is always changing, its an amazing place each time i’ve visited. i truly believe in his vision for these homeless cats. …you keep advertising on your website, save the kitties, ..are you prepared to take 300 or more cats? where would you put them, in a cage somewhere? you really need to think about what you’re saying, it isn’t right what you’re doing, ..you along with others are spreading lies and that is not right, not of God. craig needs all the help he can get for these cats and caboodle ranch “you’re” trying to stop it. but what goes around comes around…the truth will always come out, the final negociation, found craig not guilty, all they found were happy cats.
hope you find something else to do instead of spreading lies about caboodle ranch, leave the man alone, the humane soiciety, others are always checking in with him, he has more volunteers, …what else do you want, this is his home too, he lives on 30 acres he can have as many cats as he wants.. GET A LIFE ..please stop spreading lies… know what your saying before you say it, and i hope craig sues for slander for all the idiots out there…
gvcline@yahoo.com..
vicki
| Apr 02, 2011 Rating | To Vickie You know vickie, maybe you did have good experiences at Caboodle Ranch. Many have and there a lot of explanations for it but for you to say that we are all lyers is judemental being that you don’t know each of us and the pain that we have all been through. We are all animal lovers who work with homeless cats every day. I don’t know you so I can’t judge but honestly I’m getting tired of being called a lyer. |
My name is Dana and you can read my story under Caboodle Angel’s FB page along with others. If you had any sense of compassion you would feel the paing that these people have been through instead of insulting us and calling us lyers.
I have plane tickets, hotel tickets, car rental tickets and everything. So I don’t know how someone could say that I’m a lyer after spending over 800 dollars to fly a single cat to CR and decided after being there two days, left and took the cats with me. Who would do that if they only saw a few imperfections at CR? I volunteer at an animal shelter and I know things can’t be perfect but I can tell you the cats aren’t being deprived of medical care, dying slow agonizing deaths, spreading diseases, and infested with parasites. Not to mention the filth I saw the cats living in.
But it doesn’t matter what I or anyone else has to say because most people have already made up their mind and no amount of evidence would convince them otherwise even if it slapped them in the face. If everyone would respect what others have to say, all this back and forth name calling and insulting wouldn’t have to go on. But no, there are too many immature people who don’t know how to disagree in a civil manner.
When you share your experience about something you saw, it is hardly a lie. It’s your story of what you experienced. I’m glad you had great experiences at CR, I wouldn’t wish the pain and nightmares I have experienced every day since I left that place. Oh, and I rate my story 5 stars because it’s the truth about what I saw.
| Apr 02, 2011 Rating | Caboodle… and i rate this 5 stars because of my “truthful” comments” / |
i have been to caboodle many times and have found nothing but love for the cats there, craig loves them and they love him.. the minute you drive in there are so many caboodle kitties there to greet you, they’re not scared, not hungry, they feel very content and loved. the lies that are being told are so evil… AND THE ONE DEDICATING THIS WEBSITE TO GOD?? YOU SHOULD KNOW its not good to allow lies about a person, what goes around comes around, “YOU” should be ashamed for having this website… most all the cats there would have been put down,now theyr’e allowed to live out their lives in freedom, warm shelters, 24 hr food and water, .. you should be ashamed…
| Apr 02, 2011 Rating | Caboodle… and i rate this 5 stars because of my “truthful” comments” / |
i have been to caboodle many times and have found nothing but love for the cats there, craig loves them and they love him.. the minute you drive in there are so many caboodle kitties there to greet you, they’re not scared, not hungry, they feel very content and loved. the lies that are being told are so evil… AND THE ONE DEDICATING THIS WEBSITE TO GOD?? YOU SHOULD KNOW its not good to allow lies about a person, what goes around comes around, “YOU” should be ashamed for having this website… most all the cats there would have been put down,now theyr’e allowed to live out their lives in freedom, warm shelters, 24 hr food and water, .. you should be ashamed…
| Apr 02, 2011 Rating | Caboodle… and i rate this 5 stars because of my “truthful” comments” / |
i have been to caboodle many times and have found nothing but love for the cats there, craig loves them and they love him.. the minute you drive in there are so many caboodle kitties there to greet you, they’re not scared, not hungry, they feel very content and loved. the lies that are being told are so evil… AND THE ONE DEDICATING THIS WEBSITE TO GOD?? YOU SHOULD KNOW its not good to allow lies about a person, what goes around comes around, “YOU” should be ashamed for having this website… most all the cats there would have been put down,now theyr’e allowed to live out their lives in freedom, warm shelters, 24 hr food and water, .. you should be ashamed…
| Apr 02, 2011 Rating | djcat We will continue to try and get help by enforcing the law and animal control to enforce Craig to run the place in a safe and sanitary manner and to get veterinary help for the cats that become ill. Not just for a select few. I agree that his intentions started out good but he has overwhelmed himself and is very paranoid for volunteers to come in to help. He told me at dinner one night that he has a hard time keeping volunteers. I thought to myself,I wonder why? They can’t tolerate the horrors they see. If law enforcement and animal control constantly monitor him it could be a good place for the cats. But unfortunately this is our biggest battle. We believe that animal control and his personal vet cover for him. There is a blog that analyses the current animal control report and it is located at The animal control officer is the only one in the whole county and it is impossible that he makes regular surprise visits. We are working to get the country commissioners to help in this situation. Craig gets the majority of his cats from so-called rescue groups by the bus loads. And they dump them off at Caboodle Ranch. If it were a few here or there this wouldn’t be a problem. After my long conversations with Craig, I truley believe his is a hoarder. He has all the classic signs. But I understand and respect your position and your hope that the place can be turned around. We do need more shelters in this country and we gain nothing by speaking out against the things we’ve seen at Caboodle Ranch. If only Craig wouldn’t deny what we’ve seen and would make changes there would be no need for us to speak out and warn others. But as Craig told me and several others, “This is his home and nobody is going to tell him what to do.” This is the problem we are up against. |
| Apr 01, 2011 Rating | my take I understand what you are saying and I am happy that you are speaking out to make the CR a better place but all the risks listed in this site could happen where I live (minus the coyote). At least down there they have access to food, water, some shelter and no snow. They didnt come from a clean environment, they lived in my backyard before I caught them. One of their buddies wasnt so lucky as he/she became road kill. As, I stated before, I think Craig does need help. Please keep speaking out to correct the deficiencies. |
| Apr 01, 2011 Rating | Re: my take “A fighting chance” That’s exactly what you would be giving them. Unfortunatley the chances are slim. It’s speculated that thousands of cats have come through that gate over the years and there are only a couple hundred left. If I only had the decision of taking a cat to Caboodle ranch or put a cat to sleep. I’d pick putting the cat to sleep over leaving it at Caboodle Ranch any day. In fact, that was a situation I was put in. I saw the horrific conditions of CR and me and the shelter manager had to make the most difficult decision as an animal lover of putting the shelter cat to sleep. That’s how convinced I was that the cat wouldn’t have lasted a week and woud have suffered. |
| Apr 01, 2011 Rating | re: my take Of course everything looked good. First there are a lot less cats than Craig claims because they have all magically disappeared. And of course the place is going to be clean right now because Dana went public with her story mid Feb and they had over a month to get the place clean and who the heck knows what happened with all the sick cats. Point is…any new recent eyewitness accounts right now don’t mean anything. Go back in 4 weeks and see if you can find your cats. Maybe they will still be there and maybe they won’t. It’s a gamble. And…I guarantee you if you visit in a few months when all the heat sizzles down, the place won’t look as clean and the cats won’t look as healthy as they did during your recent visit. |
| Apr 01, 2011 Rating | re: my take Of course everything looked good. First there are a lot less cats than Craig claims because they have all magically disappeared. And of course the place is going to be clean right now because Dana went public with her story mid Feb and they had over a month to get the place clean and who the heck knows what happened with all the sick cats. Point is…any new recent eyewitness accounts right now don’t mean anything. Go back in 4 weeks and see if you can find your cats. Maybe they will still be there and maybe they won’t. It’s a gamble. And…I guarantee you if you visit in a few months when all the heat sizzles down, the place won’t look as clean and the cats won’t look as healthy as they did during your recent visit. |
| Apr 01, 2011 Rating | my take I am posting what my wife and I observed when we took our 3 cats down to the CR on March 26. This was our first time there. We waited at a locked gate with another couple who brought a FIV cat. There were cats roaming outside the gate. We were greated by Debbbie, who called Craig. We were told the FIV cat would be the first in their new FIV building. Craig, gave my wife and I a tour. He showed us 2 new small houses(structures) that they were working on, his son was there performing some work on the structure. Craig left us and my wife and I walked around. We did not see any dead cats. We did see dirty cats. We also observed all the structures on the website as well as food and water as well as a fence. As far as the health of the cats, Im not qualified to comment but nothing really stood out except for 1 cat with gunk by his eye and a few cats sneezing. We did not tour the infirmary. We did notice some cats with different colored collars on. We saw a lot of cats sleeping in the woods. I actually thought there would be more cats roaming, his son said when the food comes, they all come out. He put our 3 cats in a pen, we gave him a check and left. This is what my wife and I observed. This is our experience. |
| Apr 01, 2011 Rating | ? Why in the world would you get a cat if you would just end up leaving the cats with another person or entity? Craig shouldn’t have to take care of your cats. He’s supposed to rescue unwanted cats or strays. The problem is people who ABANDON their pets just because they have an option to. Whatever happens to the cats at CR is the responsibility of the original cat owner. It’s on your conscience. Not Craig’s, not CR’s. |
| Mar 31, 2011 Rating | My take Anonymous, I totally understand where you are coming from but you are missing the whole point. Craig falsely advertises that the cats are all given affection, they are safe, and in a healthy environment. If he posted on his website exacely the condition of what the cats were in and the filthy living condition, then that would be fair. It would give everyone the chance to make an informed decision. Instead they lie about how perfect everything is. Not every cat going there is feral. Many, many are house cat that are not accustomed to outdoor living and these are the onse who suffer the most. Maybe CR would be a good place for ferals ONLY, but not for domesticated cats. And…if he were to have ferals only, it would have to be within a reasonable limit. |
| Mar 31, 2011 Rating | my take Here is my take, I brought three cats down to the CR, is it what I expected, no, I actually expected to see more cats and I thought it would be bigger. As far as everything else, it is what I thought it would be, a place where the cats would receive food and limited medical treatment just the same as where they came from, my backyard. As far as getting diseases and death, they faced the same risks where I live, they could get hit by a car, go undernourished, fight with other animals etc.. Could this place be run better, yes. Do I wish my cats get more human contact, yes. Do I feel that Craig needs to hire a lot of people to help him, yes. Is the place pristine, no but the CR still beats my alternatives, a shelter might kill them, a no kill will leave in a cage. I feel like I am giving them a fighting chance. |
| Mar 26, 2011 Rating | Found new blog about Caboodle Ranch Has anyone seen this? |
| Mar 21, 2011 Rating | To Dale I guess the real question is. How where you allowed into the ranch when the website clearly states that visiting hours are on Sat from 2-4. |
“We welcome visitors! But you still need to have an appointment. That goes for everyone. The ranch is also Craig?s home, and he opens it up to the public on Saturdays only between 2 and 4pm.”
They also said volunteers were no longer allowed. Do you know them personally and that’s why they let you in outside their normal visitation hours?
I just don’t understand why exceptions are made for some people. I don’t doubt that they were busting their tails getting the place clean since the heat is on. I would be doing the same thing.
| Mar 21, 2011 Rating | craig rocks! http://negotiationisover.com/caboodle-ranch-the-final-chapter-of-an-nio-florida-investigation/ |
| Mar 21, 2011 Rating | Last comment What a world of conspiracy and paranoia some of you live in. I am not Nanette and doubt that she would spend her time debating these issues with you under a false name. |
As for me, I am Dale from NJ. I have an Amtrak receipt for a train from Newark, NJ, 2/28,to Jacksonville, car rental receipt, Days Inn receipt for 4 nights in Madison, FL. and a return Amtrak receipt, 3/8, to NJ from Tampa, where I visited my sister. I paid for it all myself. I emailed Nanette that I was going to FL to visit relatives and asked permission to visit the ranch.
As for my previous comment, I did not say paid “full-time” staff–I said staff. I didn’t inquire about their hours, if they were full or part-time. As for volunteers, one volunteer was from Germany, visiting in FL. I do not know the normal # of volunteers. As for me doing cleaning, a staff person was in charge of that. When she needed help, I offered. We cleaned some food containers, water troughs, cat beds, and litter boxes. I spent more time hand-feeding some cats, administering baby-food meds, and generally socializing the cats.
I went into the office trailer, a litter storage trailer, laundry room trailer, looked in but didn’t go into the infirmary trailer as the vet was there checking on cats. I visited the newcomer area often and looked closely at the conditions,which were always fine.
That was my reality at Caboodle. If I had found it be different, I would have reported that as the welfare of the cats is the most important issue.
| Mar 21, 2011 Rating | to djat yes you are exactly right! |
| Mar 21, 2011 Rating | this story is phony This sounds too much like Nanette’s writing. The tone sounds identical to her. Some similarities that Nanette has said: |
“Like humans, the cats are all different–some are skinny, some are fat, some are affectionate, some are fearful.”
“We cleaned noses (cats do get colds)”
This is a phony story, no doubt.
First, they aren’t allowing volunteers according to their website. They now have paid “fulltime” help. I’ll believe that when I see it. Secondly visiting hours are now only Saturday from 2-4. Now they only have to clean once a week since visitors are only allowed one day out of the week.
| Mar 21, 2011 Rating | to Dale Also Dale can you tell us how it came about that you were there? Did you call and ask to volunteer? And how come you weren’t helping in cleaning and stuff? Was anyone inside the trailers? |
| Mar 21, 2011 Rating | to Dale Dale, did you go inside all the trailers? And do you realize that that many volunteers there in that one day is a record breaker? |
| Mar 21, 2011 Rating | My latest Caboodle visit I just returned on March 8 from a 4-day stay at Caboodle. I arrived each day around 10am and stayed until dark, about 7pm. There were 3 staff helpers and 4 volunteers each day. I helped hand-feed a cat with liver disease, groomed cats, washed water stations, walked the property, but was mainly a ” cat petter.” I thoroughly enjoyed having all kinds of cats vie for my attention. I couldn’t sit in a chair without 5,6 or 7 cats sitting on me. |
The property has 3 houses almost completed. The paths are clean, litter boxes raked regularly. I especially spent some time at the new comers area. The cats I saw had plenty of food and water, and clean, comfortable sleeping areas.(I made sure I checked because of a negative comment about the new comer area.) The vet came one day to see the cats in the infirmary. One of the staff and I gave sick cats some meds mixed with baby food. We cleaned noses (cats do get colds), checked for sores and skin conditions. Craig continually monitors the cats and gives fluids by sub-cu when needed.
Like humans, the cats are all different–some are skinny, some are fat, some are affectionate, some are fearful. When I would walk down a trail, I had a small legion of cats following me. It was amazing. (I have some terrific pictures.)
I am not writing to try to change minds. I went down to observe and I am reporting what I saw. I did not hear any coyotes yipping in the evening, but wasn’t there all night, when that might occur. I did not see bug infestations, or any dead cats. Craig did not stop me from seeing any part of the ranch I wanted to see. I covered all the areas of the ranch and walked outside the fencing also.
Based on my experience, I think Caboodle is a terrific example of what can be done to help cats. I will continue to volunteer and do what I can to help Craig. He is always trying to improve the Ranch. His work days are very long and he is dedicated to his cats. I hope I can make regular trips to Caboodle–wish it were a little closer to NJ.
| Mar 18, 2011 Rating | To Carolyn Person you were posting to is probably Shelby. Word usage and sentence structure are similar. |
| Mar 16, 2011 Rating | to anonymous If you got anger and depression from my post then you are the one with deep problems. Sorry for your luck. |
| Mar 16, 2011 Rating | Please get into therapy Carolyn, Please, please, please get into therapy! Your anger and depression is destroying you. |
| Mar 16, 2011 Rating | anonymous Ok Anonymous, I did not leave my cats there. But Craig did however let one of mine out from it’s kennel and I never got her back. And FYI not everyone that owns a cat or has knows what to look for in a so called sanctuary, and to me when a place uses the word sanctuary, I too assumed they are more than likely under close watch by someone and have regulations to follow. But that’s not true. And a lot of people have no idea what a cat rescue is. Secondly I don’t believe all these cats will die if they are closed, and thirdly all the cats there have a better chance in dying right now being in Craig’s care. And finally not all cats are brought there because of people just not wanting to care for them anymore. Get your facts ok? And Craig is not a rescue. He originally bought the property with his son as an investment and his own cat situation was getting out of hand because he is a hoarder. So now he gets his property paid for by donations and he continues to hoard, no rescuing there, and especially no sanctuary. No cats are protected or ever have been. |
So you see opinions are like a** holes, everyone has one, including you.
| Mar 16, 2011 Rating | I can not believe you people. Honestly. There is something wrong with every single one of you. |
If you left your cat there, you should be ashamed. Not because Craig allegedly abuses cat there but because you were too irresponsible and stupid to understand that a pet is for life. If you get a pet, you need to make accommodations for it for the rest of you life. I’ve moved from home to home in the last year and never once did I have an issue keeping my 2 kitties.
If this place gets shut down think… what is going to happen to these cat? Oh yeah, they’ll probably ALL DIE (because people like you are irresponsible and ditch their cats in the 100’s). Have you seen feral cat colonies? Yeah, these cat live in apparent luxury compared to feral cats.
If people would think before they buy a “cute little kitten” this man would not even have to have this rescue running, which would probably be a relief for him.
| Mar 04, 2011 Rating | another typo Sorry, I guess I should triple read my posts. Correction to the below post. One sentence that should read others DID NOT see what I saw because of… |
Sorry, I’m a little OCD making sure my grammar is correct.
| Mar 03, 2011 Rating | My Feb, 2011 experience at Caboole Ranch For those of you who are visiting this page to research sending a cat to Caboodle Ranch, below is a link where you will find my story. I would also like to add that there have been those who have been there and see what I saw but I believe this is because they got the “escorted” tour and where not shown inside the buildings that I saw. That is just my theory, not based on factual data. The reason I have this theory is on the second day I was there, a couple was leaving the sanctuary when I returned after leaving for lunch. They seemed very happy with what they saw and thanked Craig. I will say that the base camp where you see all the cute little cat houses and gingerbread lane does really look like that in the videos. The horrors are behind hidden doors…the trailers and the newcomer holding area. Not everyone is priviledged to go inside of those. Just something to think about. Anyways, here’s the link: |
http://www.facebook.com/#!/topic.php?uid=163215580360554&topic=283
| Mar 03, 2011 Rating | made error in post I wrote my post in Word first and then pasted into the reply box. Please forgive me for repeating an entire paragraph. I hope my mistake didn’t make it too confusing. |
| Mar 03, 2011 Rating | continued reply to Elisa (…continued from below) |
Prior to visiting Caboodle Ranch I did not know the others who Craig is claiming are trying to bring him down due to personal vendettas. When I got home from Florida I started searching immediately for others who had experienced what I did. I refused to believe that I was the first to see this. I felt deeply that the horrific conditions of the cats and the ranch did not get like that overnight.
I made my decision to bring the cat there based on all the wonderful videos and photos on the website and my email correspondences with Nanette. I thought this place was a utopia for cats. I made a bad judgment call and did not do my research. However, I feel that I was sent there for a higher good. My agenda is not to close Caboodle Ranch down. My goal is to provide details of what I witnessed to as many people as possible so that they will do their own research and make an informed decision before taking cats to Caboodle Ranch. I also feel it is my personal responsibility to report to authorities any neglect or abuse that I witness whether it be an animal or a child. I feel there is no difference between the two.
| Mar 03, 2011 Rating | response to Elisa Hi Elisa, I’m going to split this reply to your questions into a couple of comments since I can only do 3,000 characters at a time. |
Prior to visiting Caboodle Ranch I did not know the others who Craig is claiming are trying to bring him down due to personal vendettas. When I got home from Florida I started searching immediately for others who had experienced what I did. I refused to believe that I was the first to see this. I felt deeply that the horrific conditions of the cats and the ranch did not get like that overnight.
I made my decision to bring the cat there based on all the wonderful videos and photos on the website and my email correspondences with Nanette. I thought this place was a utopia for cats. I made a bad judgment call and did not do my research. However, I feel that I was sent there for a higher good. My agenda is not to close Caboodle Ranch down. My goal is to provide details of what I witnessed to as many people as possible so that they will do their own research and make an informed decision before taking cats to Caboodle Ranch. I also feel it is my personal responsibility to report to authorities any neglect or abuse that I witness whether it be an animal or a child. I feel there is no difference between the two.
I can’t speak for the person who posted photos of Tiger Ranch in the mix of photos of Caboodle Ranch. I do know that several days ago I saw her You Tube video apologizing and said it was an honest mistake. I think that anyone who would video tape themself and reveal their identity to the world is sincere that it was an honest mistake.
| Mar 03, 2011 Rating | Another sanctuary closed Cats Seized At Sacred Vision Animal Sanctuary |
Please go to this story and start a new discussion
| Feb 28, 2011 Rating | reward I will email you to get copies of pics of your cats and I will go through my pics to see if there are any matches. |
| Feb 28, 2011 Rating | $4000.00 REWARD I am offering a $4000.00 cash reward to anyone who can find and return my 3 babies missing after day 11 or before from Caboodle Ranch, I have no way to know the truth as the owner is a liar and also insane. I made at least 8-10 trips between 4/2010 and 11/2010 and never saw one of them again. PLEASE HELP ME IF YOU CAN. I have a million good pictures of them. IT WILL BE 11 MONTHS ON MARCH 3rd. I AM DESPERATE. Floridapamela@att.net if you can help. thank you. |
| Feb 16, 2011 Rating | contacting anonymous I will share my story publicly in due time. But if you need more info from me before making your decision, you could always create an anonymous email account and post it here and I will contact you through that. I also know that if you call Best Friends Animal Society, they can give you recommendations (or non-recommendations) for rescue societies. Whatever you do, don’t take your cat anywhere without seeing the place first or getting recommendations from a well-known, respected source. Don’t base your decision from what you see on the internet. That’s the mistake the rest of us made. I hope that other’s learn from my mistake and don’t have to go through the heartbreak I went through. |
| Feb 16, 2011 Rating | to anonymous To the person who wrote the below comment: I will get my story out and contact the proper authorities and media. I’m working on it and don’t want to be rash. I’m being careful to do this in a professional and civil manner. I’ve found that people are much more receptive to what you have to say if you respect them and speak to them in a compassionate manner. You have to keep your emotions in check. When you start yelling and insulting, it makes you look like you are crazy and uncreditable. However, I BELIEVE you and the others as I saw what you have seen. |
I know you are hurting and I’m so sorry for all your pain. But be strong and hang in there. Be positive and know that good always prevails. Things don’t always happen exactly when and how we want. Just know that God knows our desires and is already in the process of getting help for the cats and Graig.
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Now maybe you can tell others as we have been trying to do. No one believes us and do nothing but criticize, condemn and crucify people who say anything bad about CR. All I can say is good luck. As now they will look at you as they have been us. Like you are a liar. I know your not, you know your not but convincing someone to do something about it is another thing.
PEOPLE WAKE UP – this person just now went to CR. I don’t care how many broadcasting people have been there lately, CRAIG IS NOT LETTING them see everything at CR. WAKE UP!
| Feb 16, 2011 Rating | To DJCAT I am not sure how you can contact me? I can’t leave my phone # or email for everyone to see. Sorry – security concerns. But, I would love to talk with you regarding your visit to the ranch. Again, I only want what is best for my stray cat and it is appearing that this is not it. I have gone to a lot of trouble to fix, vaccinate and look after my cat, even though a stray, and would hate to put it in harms way. |
| Feb 16, 2011 Rating | to DJCAT Now maybe you can tell others as we have been trying to do. No one believes us and do nothing but criticize, condemn and crucify people who say anything bad about CR. All I can say is good luck. As now they will look at you as they have been us. Like you are a liar. I know your not, you know your not but convincing someone to do something about it is another thing. |
PEOPLE WAKE UP – this person just now went to CR. I don’t care how many broadcasting people have been there lately, CRAIG IS NOT LETTING them see everything at CR. WAKE UP!
| Feb 15, 2011 Rating | recent visit Yes the ranch and the cats are still in poor condition as of February when I visited. |
| Feb 15, 2011 Rating | recent visit Yes the ranch and the cats are still in poor condition as of February when I visited. |
| Feb 15, 2011 Rating | recent visit Yes the ranch and the cats are still in poor condition as of February when I visited. |
| Feb 15, 2011 Rating | To Cats Needing a good home To anonymous wanting recommendations as to whether or not to bring her cats to CR. How can I contact you? |
| Feb 14, 2011 Rating | To cats needing good home I am going to give you a couple of web sites – to help you make your decision. |
Good Luck
| Feb 10, 2011 Rating | Cats needing a good home I have contacted the ranch regarding finding a home for a stray cat I am looking after and am waiting to hear back from the ranch. Although it is hard to ignore all the negative comments I find it hard to believe that Craig has anything but the best of intentions for his cats. As you would with any animal placement I would love to hear from others who have left their cats at the ranch. I want real references – good or bad with which I can make an intelligent decision of what is best for my cat. |
| Jan 08, 2011 Rating | TO all pro caboodle idiots What Susan stated is the law in Florida. Where is the records of the Rabies vaccines? The TV clip on WCTV in September mentioned, CR does have giadia and earmites problems. Giardia is common but it can take a very long time to get rid of. I know Nannette does few but medicating them regularly, how? Twice a day by mouth to each of them. Nannette does not even live in Florida. How do they retain clean water for the cats to drink? As an experienced house/feral cats care takers, whatever they stated in their websites are all fairy tales,very far from truth. Where are all medical records? Where are the rabies certificates? None. People who sent their cats there while they are dying or terminally ill provided funds, donations and medical records. Where are they now? Vaccines are supposed to be given yearly.How could they keep tracks of them? Impossible. Admit it. Yes, all rescue groups have flaws but the reputable ones acknowledge the problems and fix them. CR claimed they did. But no proof. No safety measure from predators. Never. How could you people be so ignorant with the expense of the sufferings of cats?I am just sick of their lame excuses and diceiving publicity for their 15 minutes of fame. We are all here for the cats and their salvations. Hey what about Craig not believing in helping them at their last minutes? They do need help lots of time, otherwise they will be eaten alive by the insects or animals in the woods in the heat in the cold, in the filthy trailers without windows or cares. You people would only understand when you are in these cats’ lives. Believe me, Craig is just happy and falsely believing in his shitty head that he has done so good and not want to do anything for the cats for he only care for his ego with the extremely tiny mind. Pathetic fools and ignoramuses that you all are. |
| Jan 07, 2011 Rating | to Anonymous Ok, so if you didn’t know about the palmetto bugs then you haven’t been in that trailer period. And the picture was a 1/2 eaten cat whether you want to admit it or not. Not a trace of his bottom half was anywhere around. I took that picture. And the cat in the garbage bag was real too. I see that the same weekend I found the one on the ground. Craig’s explanation was the dumpster was overfull and the garbage man hadn’t ran yet was why it was in a bag sitting next to the shed. so I guess that meant it was intended for the dumpster? You are blind if you were there that much and didn’t see much. I rescued a kitten from brush where it had been abandoned by it’s mother, and seen litters born under the little houses, now you going to go along with them also when they stated no cats roam that have not been fixed? Give me a break, wake up and if you don’t you will be really embarrassed when the time comes, and it won’t be long from now. |
| Jan 07, 2011 Rating | it’s me again Ok, it’s me again – the person who has been there all night before. So now you’re calling me stupid and saying I don’t know what I’m talking about. Haha, I assure you I’m not and I do. No one will take you seriously if you act like this. |
There are certainly not other volunteers, let alone 10 of them, making any claims that they’ve been there all night. I submit to you that honesty is the best policy and no one has a good enough memory to be a good liar.
I have never seen any palmetto bug infestation there. Not saying it didn’t happen, but I have never seen it. Actually, I haven’t seen a flea or tick problem there either, which is amazing but true in my experience.
The cats being thrown away in trash bags thing is ludicrous. That dumpster is huge (
for anyone unfamiliar, a large, roll-off construction site type, not a little square one). Even if it were full of dead cats, layers of bags could not contain the smell. And that thing gets filled to the brim before it gets dumped, because dumping it costs money.
The idea that the dead cat in the photo was eaten by anything is really stretching it. It unfortunately died for some reason and was decomposing. The pic is entirely consistent with that, but not consistent with what one would expect with predation. Had something killed it for food it wouldn’t leave so much anything to waste. Especially a marauding pack of coyotes that doesn’t know where it’s next meal will come from.
Of course I’ve been there all day too. Yes, I’ve been in the trailers. On my hands and knees scrubbing the floors from end to end. Been in the other buildings and everywhere else there is to go on the property except Craig’s personal trailer where he sleeps. I’ve scrubbed all of the little houses, the memorial statue, etc. Replaced food and water out at all the stations through the day, put straw out for them on cold nights, emptied, scrubbed and refilled all the litter boxes, pulled and scrubbed all the trays for all the cages in the different trailers. Helped feed and medicate the sick cats. Helped put the collars on cats. Have transported cats there, have watched the place while Craig went down to Gainesville or Orlando to pick up cats. And anything else I was asked to do. I wasn’t there just to pet cats.
The reality is running a place like Caboodle Ranch is a lot of work and it never stops. There are people who get down and dirty and do hard work, and there are people who stand around griping and doing nothing to be part of the solution. It is interesting how the ones who speak the loudest are usually the ones who did the least.
| Jan 07, 2011 Rating | you are clueless You have no idea what you are talking about both of the lasts posts. So since you don’t know, I excuse your stupidity. And the one who said they stayed all night? What were the dates you were there, I am totally interested? There are more than 10 people with the same claims, I want you to prove yours. Please tell us more. Did you not go into the trailers? Did you not see more than a thousand palmetto bugs cover the ceilings and cages that the cats stayed in? Do you realize this only happened in one trailer because of an AC leak that could of been fixed? I don’t want to hear the BS about the woods and what do you expect because the other trailers did not have this infestation. And to think there is where he keeps his sick kitties and to top it off he sprayed daily bug spray around the sick cats to kill the bugs. This is only ONE BIG PROBLEM, there were many! You all are clueless to what even happened, please I beg you once again to go do your homework and go stay there All day NOT JUST A FEW hrs in the day. |
| Jan 07, 2011 Rating | You are all a bunch of jackasses! As a long time owner of pets and a person involved in animal rescue, this whole string of discussions is filled full of stupidity. Thanks for the great afternoon of amusement. Every animal rescue project is filled flaws and problems. A lot of bad stuff comes from trying to do good. And my dear sub division living plastic people of Florida, NEWS FLASH cats love it outdoors. I personally don’t let my pets outside, but cats came from THE OUTDOORS. |
If coyotes are a problem for Caboodle Ranch, they are a problem for the entire surrounding community. Florida has very liberal gun laws. If the local animal control people aren’t doing their jobs then get a gun and take of the problem yourself.
I just saw Caboodle on a television show and I praise his efforts no matter how flawed. When you decide to host almost a 1000 cats and take of them
then you can become the object of your own criticism.
| Jan 07, 2011 Rating | To Carolyn re: facts This is for Carolyn, took me this long to read your comment to me from Dec. 28, but I’ll respond for what it’s worth… |
I’m a credible source, enough said. The issue here is the truth, and I only said something because there are exaggerations being tossed out as if they were facts. If this were a constructive discussion about how to help and make things better at the ranch, that would be one thing, but what I see are mostly hateful rants that do little to help anyone’s cause.
Things around there will always need fixing. I’m not much for telling people how to spend their money either. How do you think it’s being wasted? I doubt there is ever much room in the Caboodle Ranch for anything but the basic necessities, so I’m a little skeptical of your claim. They have been gracious enough to put me up in a hotel room a few times or buy me lunch. I wouldn’t call it wasteful spending, just being nice. I’ve also stayed the night in my own tent staked on the property.
I have actually overnighted at the ranch several times. I don’t mean in a hotel room they put me up in up the road, but actually on the property, and I was awake the whole time (and I mean all night) and actively patrolled the perimeter areas through the night.
There were and may still be coyotes in the area, no one disputes that. But with the rate they’re supposedly being killed, it would be remarkable if many are left. From my experience, they are no more of a threat than the neighboring dogs are. I bet you haven’t ever seen one there, because if anyone would have it would probably be me, and I haven only heard them.
My point is that it is not a nightly coyote buffet as some would make it out to be. If it were such a huge issue, there are certain cats that I can think of which should be the easiest targets, yet in all this time they have not been picked off. And that includes cats that have been there from the very beginning.
There is regular train traffic nearby and that is pretty neat because the coyotes apparently can’t help themselves and will howl at the trains. It was a very reliable way to know if they are around and get a fix on where. Some times they were around, some times not. There are other (and better) options for them out there.
Cats can and do get sick. This is more of an issue in the cooler months (but FL is about as good as it gets in that regard). It is unfortunate but also inevitable that some will get ill. I do not think the number that get sick is out of proportion to the number there on the property, and given that disease can spread quickly through that many cats in close proximity, I think it is a wonder it isn’t worse and he seems to be fairly effective at curbing that.
I’ve seen Nanette do plenty around there. It’s ridiculous to cut someone down who does do a lot for the place and comes down once a month or more from that far away.
Maybe I’ll add to this later, but I have somewhere I have to be…
| Jan 07, 2011 Rating | to Pam Everything you stated is true, true to the core and sad. Mostly sad that it is still happening even after dozens of people have shared their experiences there and told what they seen day in and day out. How well they have hidden things or should I say how well some have overlooked or not looked deeply enough. |
| Jan 07, 2011 Rating | HOW SADLY INTERESTING Is it not sadly interesting, that maybe A 100 defamation statements later, and a whole whirlwind of questions they can’t answer that they are suddenly doing this, out of nowhere, just because, yet suing for damages: |
Here’s the latest from Caboodle Ranch:
Thank you to all our friends and fans for helping to make 2010 a great year. We’ve certainly had our ups and downs, but overall, things are better than ever at Caboodle! We’ve received positive assessments from (and are in excellent standing with) Madison county animal control and veterinary clinic, the cats are doing well and we’re able to finally make some necessary upgrades to many of our buildings- slowly phasing out the old office trailers and adding some beautiful barn-style buildings in place of them. We can’t wait until they’re all completed!
Thank you to everyone who has stood by us throughout the years and have donated month after month with time, supplies and (of course) money. Caboodle Ranch simply could not happen without your support. We wish you all a happy, healthy and safe 2011!
……….IT BRINGS A TEAR TO MY EYE
| Jan 07, 2011 Rating | A CAT A DAY CABOODLE RANCH “WHERE A CAT A DAY, KEEPS THE BILL COLLECTORS AWAY!” |
NOW TALK TO US ABOUT 3 CATS A DAY AND WE’RE IN THE MONEY!
The pursuit of money, as a means to anything usually means (almost always means) that someone, somewhere, at least momentarily, has taken their “eye” off of what it is they really want.
Tricky that way, huh?
| Jan 07, 2011 Rating | Rabies Vaccines Yes, I think I posted before, In the state of Florida the owner of the cat must have proof of rabies vaccines. There is an official form that must be signed by the vet administering the vaccine one copy is kept by the vet and one by the person in possession of the cat. I would LOVE to see CR come up with 650 rabies vaccine records. That won’t ever happen. |
| Jan 06, 2011 Rating | “Damages” Pam, |
I definitely agree on one point. How does the decline in cat intake affect Caboodle Ranch in a monetary way? Is this because that with the decline in the cat intake they also have a decline in the $150.00 donation that supposedly comes along with each cat? From my understanding, $150.00 nowhere near covers the cost of the care of a cat with a lengthy life. If anything, the decrease in cat intake should help them because they have less cats to care for. I cannot possibly see that this should be listed as a damage and believe that by saying this they are fully admitting to making a profit off of what they get when taking in each cat. This means the $150.00 donation must more than cover the cat’s lifetime care, therefore proving that it’s lifetime is shorter than it should be.
| Jan 06, 2011 Rating | to Angela & all dunces Angela,lots f us who lost cats there are rescue groups who hare tryig to help the abandoned and unwanted cats from the street.Lots of us are helping those cats every single day rescuing and finding them home out of our own pocket and resources. Some feral sites are not wanted by land owners or some other reasons then they are in great danger. So most of us saved them and we tried TNR but some cannot be released so we have to find homes and we like to release them if there’s a better place, Sometimes our facilities got full and we asked CR plus big donations to give them home. Yes, we were once fooled by the lies from their website. So do not accuse any of us that they are unwanted cats. Be sensible.. When will you ever learn or will you be able to understand at all? Please gather some real facts and information before you said anything. Yes,CR just took donation and the cats are gone in days. Carolyn and few others tried big time to help but Craig is so stuck up in his head that he would not take any educated suggestion for the cats at all. Basically, contrary to CR propanganda, Craig does not care for the cats at all. Believe me, it is impossible to give enough attention to 200-600 cat not even 10-20 cats all by yourself at home not to mention hygiene and health caresPERIOD. |
| Jan 06, 2011 Rating | not even title worthy OH MY GOD! PLEASE GOUGE YOUR EYES OUT!! |
Angela, you’re an imbecile.
When the likes of this blog have people like yourself commenting here, it makes it a useless waste of time.
Ridding the earth of many of you, would indeed make things much better, including this blog.
Why don’t you take your big fat asses off your laptops and find yourselves something more appropriately geared towards your low I.Q.s
Please!
| Jan 06, 2011 Rating | Be grateful for Something If I gave up my cat, I would accept the chances that if he lived OUTSIDE, he might get eaten by a predator, get sick, or die like any other random cat that lives OUTSIDE. |
Maybe that is why I have no intention to do so. Being as I have spoiled him all these years and know his chances in nature have dwindled because of my attentions.
| Jan 06, 2011 Rating | Oh my god In this very comment section I’ve read some of the most retarded things I have ever read in my life. |
I’d rather gouge my eyes out than read any more of this crap. Please leave the internet. Please leave the earth.
| Jan 06, 2011 Rating | Oh my god In this very comment section I’ve read some of the most retarded things I have ever read in my life. |
I’d rather gouge my eyes out than read any more of this crap. Please leave the internet. Please leave the earth.
| Jan 06, 2011 Rating | HERE’S A TRUTHFUL STATEMENT NOTHING LIKE ATTEMPTING A DEFAMATION SUIT TO TRY AND COVER YOUR ASS FROM SCRUTINY! |
usally though what the moron does not know is that he is putting himself under further scrutiny, essetially biting himself in his own ass.
when he loses it will not make him look good either. i can’t wait!
| Jan 04, 2011 Rating | you haven’t read everything obviously Kathi, you have obviously no clue to what has been happening. This all happened BECAUSE WE WERE THERE TO HELP. Please do your homework then come and post what you have to say, maybe you might come up with some good stuff. Check it out. Craig is not doing a good thing. btw have you been there??? Of course not. I have 8 days!!!! full complete days of hard work and I seen a lot of cats die for no good reason. While you are at it, let’s take your cats there and leave them, please? Oh you don’t have cats? Then why are you here? If you do let’s take them to Craig and see what happens to yours ok? |
| Jan 04, 2011 Rating | You are helping cats how? I have to admit I did not read most of the MANY postings and articles that you have written, nor have I watched more than a minute of the LONG videos you have posted, but it seems like you’re wasting a lot of time and energy and probably money worrying about lawsuits and who is slandering who, when instead you could be contributing to help fix the problem. I don’t see how blog postings and videos are helping in any way. Mr. Grant is doing a wonderful thing for these animals, and if you would direct some of the energy you put into making youtube videos and posting on facebook into actually trying to help solve some of the problems his sanctuary faces the cats would appreciate it. Get off the computer once in a while and go outside! You might like it. |
| Jan 04, 2011 Rating | Be grateful for Something People don’t want their cats anymore. YOU don’t want your cats anymore. YOU get rid of them. They have a 0% chance with YOU. They were abandoned and unwanted. |
You bring them to a place they have a 90% chance to live. A nice place, considering the other options with a much lower percent of survival or adoption.
90% is better than nothing.
| Jan 04, 2011 Rating | to John it takes one to spot one John, thanks for that 🙂 |
| Jan 04, 2011 Rating | O.o; You are full of the crazy. |
| Jan 04, 2011 Rating | to Pam Pam, you write so much stuff that sometimes I don’t bother reading it all. so when you sent out your email this am first to more than one then I seen this on here VERY SIMILAR I assumed you meant US. And as from this last post you did. Also the email you just sent me in private. Gary and I are not the reasons you are in this mess and if we are then you don’t belong here. This is about the cats and only the cats. I told you right away when you were playing follow the leader with Gary, not to do so. But you didn’t listen and now you are left behind. It was just advice because I don’t ever DEPEND on others to do my ANYTHING for me and shouldn’t of either. You should of been doing your own work on this just as I have. That’s all I have to say. |
| Jan 04, 2011 Rating | what a pathetic joke btw……I would have kicked his ass in court if this thing had gone down properly. |
Gary never even got the chance to find another attorney to sue this bastard for all that he has done until he had no choice himself.
This is exactly the problem with these cases!!!! The assholes running all over the place, running their mouths, claiming they will do this and that, and in the end don’t do shit!
That is why “sanctuaries” abusing animals go on and on and on! There is no end to it. I am not going to spend 5 grand to win a suit that gets me $5.00 a cat and gets him fined a few hundred dollars.
In the end, nobody stuck together on these animal cruelty, and misleading web site points. It is all bullshit. When you have animal ACTIVISTS going out there and talking to this freak in his driveway while cats run wild in the driveway and road saying he’s A ok, YOU KNOW the world’s a screwed up place.
When someone who WANTED TO SUE AND START A DEFENSE FUND is going to be going it alone you know it’s a screwed up place and when someone who you thought understood your sadness and concerns comes to a blog everyone has been checking out for weeks now and puts you down, shit, i give up!
| Jan 04, 2011 Rating | not worried I am NOT WORRIED about a court or a hearing is what I meant to write. |
| Jan 04, 2011 Rating | to Pam Pam, I wish you would not speak for me in your messages as this message you posted is not any message I would like to convey. For one I never said I can’t afford an attorney, and secondly I am worried about going to court or a hearing. Please speak for yourself when posting. Thanks |
| Jan 03, 2011 Rating | PHONE NUMBER CORRECTION My number is 904-343-3337. |
| Jan 03, 2011 Rating | BEING SUED BY CABOODLE RANCH Well everyone, some of us are being sued for defamation, slander, conspiracy and trespassing! |
I am quite certain no one will be there to support those of us that are being sued when the time rolls around. There would be no point for a counter suit if there were not people wanting to come forward in one way or another with their stories all together as one.
I am very sad that while named together in the suit only one of us can afford an attorney. I strongly suspect that this suit by Grant has arisen because the only person who can afford the attorney had originally started a suit against Caboodle Ranch and asked us to get the word out for a cat defense fund.
Unfortunately, that attorney, a Jennifer Dietz, who he had hired just quit out of the blue, and I would imagine that it is most likely why CR ‘s beating us to the punch with their law suit has now ensued.
I will most likely be telling the judge that this man has allowed my cats to go missing and most likely die. But, as far as winning or losing, I have nothing Grant can take, not to mention, he has already taken and destroyed all that I loved.
I would have never pursued going out to see my babies, continuing to go out to search for my babies for 7 months, and certainly had always had the intention of visiting my babies regardless of later finding out that this hell hole is a death sentence for your cats, if I did not love them with all of my heart no matter what the circumstances at the time for bringing them out there.
If anyone plans on coming forward to help, and you are reading this, this is it, you are either for or against, because there is no in between out there. Please call me if you are going to help defend these poor cats whose owners were completely mislead by this web site.
My number is 904-993-3337. If you are reading this and you are going to be supportive by typing up and notarizing your story please let me know.
I feel shattered and alone, just like what this man has caused many, many cats and their owners to feel like.
thanks for reading……Pam
| Jan 01, 2011 Rating | Words Hi Pamela. Once upon a time I thought like you: |
“but it has just always been so weird to me that “words” are such a major problem for people.”
But I learned that words can be as devastating as physical actions. Words are important.
And in order to keep things at a decent standard the F word really doesn’t help!
I like the passion though.
| Dec 31, 2010 Rating | to Carolyn you are so funny!! |
God knows you have put up with me too!
But I still love you (lol, that’s a joke, just being funny) 🙂
love ya,
Happy New Year!
| Dec 31, 2010 Rating | to Pam Thank God! |
| Dec 31, 2010 Rating | thank you Michael 🙂 sorry Michael… |
thank you for putting up with me. thank you for leaving my posts up and putting in little stars. i appreciate that so much. this has truly been the only place i have been able to vent. you have warned me before and you would think i could calm down and respect that.
but it has just always been so weird to me that “words” are such a major problem for people.
i do not mean that at you! i think you are wonderful for putting up with me when i lose my patience.
i am, however always blown away that by putting a few letters together that really express a persons feelings, whether it be good or bad feelings, blows some people away.
i think it was my fav comedian George Carlin that pointed that out often.
you are an angel for the patience you have exhibited. i do not want to see this blog go down, so respecting you is going to be my only new year’s resolution.
thank you again happy new year Michael 🙂
| Dec 31, 2010 Rating | please Pam please quit using all curse words and follow Michael’s rules here. thanks |
| Dec 31, 2010 Rating | Pamela The next time you use the F word or type in capitals or rant repetitiously, your comment will be deleted and you will be banned – sorry but I have been very patient with you. |
Please add new thoughts or new information or stay away, please.
| Dec 31, 2010 Rating | thsnks Thanks Pam |
| Dec 31, 2010 Rating | that pond talk about the devil in the details…the damn picture associated with this very blog is that very bacteria infected pond i mentioned, with the cats drinking right out of it. |
wow, maybe the universe does try to show us things when we open our eyes.
| Dec 31, 2010 Rating | I hate to say this…… but it is true, that he does try to provide heat. how much heat, what type of heat, how much shelter, for oh yeah, who the hell really knows how many cats, i can not say. |
my last time there he was putting gasoline, kerosene, burners way in the back, where the large dog kennels are and where ALL new babies go. mine went there. he claims mine pushed out through the broken fence door which means they were skewered, an image i can not get out of my head. he was guessing of course. i think he knows they died.
there is no electricity way up back there and god know what happens to the cat in the middle of the woods in the pitch blackness. i think he may use some heat lamps in some of the little houses, not sure. my prison term there was from April 4th, 2010 until my last trip out around November 4th, 2010.
you can hear the coyote calling, as grant pointed out to me when i was there several times. 2 of my 3 babies were gone completely from those nasty cages in just 12 days when i returned.
i have never been in shock in my life and i have seen some shocking things, but i believe that day i was in complete shock. i will never live it down.
i wish this universe could end my suffering and the suffering of all the missing babies. whether they have already died of that suffering or are dying as we speak, no matter what, i mistakenly participated in this holocaust. i should therefore not be able to ever live happily again.
please DON’T anyone tell me to move on. not unless you want to feel my fury.
| Dec 29, 2010 Rating | Did anyone see this? This is from their newest post on CR’s live journal. |
We have heat going everywhere now, even in the outdoor shelters and kennels, so everyone is snug and warm. It has been through your Christmas cards and care packages that have given Craig Christmas this year. He literally has not had any spare time to enjoy the holiday, but with every card and box brings a smile to his heart.
How could this be possible? Heat in every outdoor shelters? They are just too easy to lie and make things up. I’LL BE VERY HAPPY IF THEY REALLY PROVIDE HEAT IN ALL SHELTERS but the truth is not even close.. Let’s allow us to go check it then? This is all lies, lies, lies… I’ll only believe if they allow any of us to go see the ranch. or even taking calls …
| Dec 29, 2010 Rating | THANKS…..MICHAEL & Pictures of Cats Thank you so much for letting us tell our real experiences at CR. I do appreciate it so much. Thanks to Elisa too. And everyone who have come out to tell the real stories here.It is heartbreakingly sad. But let us hope to see that the horrors will end in the nearest future for those who are voiceless and defenseless.One thing I know for sure is that CR and procaboodle people cannot handle the truth at all. They would just simply choose to live in oblivion and their own selfcentered worlds.Unbelievable and unforgiveable to all of them in everyway to prolong the agony and cruelty of cats who are in urgent need for help. |
| Dec 29, 2010 Rating | Justice I am not a hero and anyone in their RIGHT MIND would of done what I did. I could not wait to get home and warn people because I knew everyone was boasting over this place and this man and I knew they needed to know the truth. No one knows how it was for us who seen and learned what was going on. No one knows the horrors and the sadness it brings to your very soul knowing what was happening and nothing was being done about it. My ex boyfriend will even tell you how I told him right away that something wasn’t right. He was the first volunteer that went with me. So bad I wanted to reach out to the recent ones that had left cats there and tell them of the deaths I seen of their poor kitties who were brought there in good health. God is with them now and he is with us too and he will see justice done. |
| Dec 29, 2010 Rating | STILL MOURNING Carolyn. I did lost so much weights too.. I am having nightmares… the sadness, helplessness getting worse overtime. It was terribly cold last night and remembrance of all those kitties I encountered during my 3 long visits kept me awake all night. Terrible and never ending feelings of helplessness and worries for those. I am aware of all the sufferings all over the world. But this one was definitely unnecessary. Hopefully, it is not too late for many of them who still survives.I shall never get over the horrors and sorrow I experienced at CR. Why it has been taking so long? I am so thankful to you Carolyn to put all the pieces together and come out in the open. You are my real hero. |
| Dec 29, 2010 Rating | to anonymous from earlier posting To anonymous who stated this: The ranch does not receive tons of money in donations and is far from a con job or get rich scheme.** Just fyi Craig wanted to buy a trailer and put on the property and told me he had the money right now to do so. He stated “I can write a check out for $5000 tomorrow for one” He also told another volunteer and myself that the donations were really coming in good. And with all the hotel bills he paid for and people’s dinners, what does that tell you about the donations? He is not having any problem with donations that is for sure. |
| Dec 29, 2010 Rating | Michael Thanks Michael, it’s nice to get a reminder once in a while 🙂 |
| Dec 29, 2010 Rating | Calm and sensible Hi, thanks for the fantastic discussion in comments. The comments have pushed this page up the Google search result rankings so the page is easy to find (page one). I am sure the majority of visitors appreciate that. |
Please keep comments, calm, sensible and accurate as this gives the page believability and force. That is also something that visitors want.
| Dec 28, 2010 Rating | thanks NNK thanks NNK, not sure who you are, but I appreciate it. |
| Dec 28, 2010 Rating | HELL HELL yes, definitely. I have been there 3 times, each time I spent about 3 hours or more walking around CR and feeding, I saw real unforgettable sights which will haunt me for a long long time…….but the 3rd times, they strictly do not want us to feed. Why? Because they did not want us to see the sick cats out of hiding, looking so sick with open wounds and blatant diseases, all came out to eat famishly in previous visits. People like Carolyn who are right to the point and critical of (CR and its own ignorance and negligence to the cats) are not allowed out there anymore not even considering the welfares of the cats that need cares and loving attentions. I have multiple animals being fostered at home. It does require tremendous effort and lot of time to keep all them in good shape both physically and mentally. We have been saving abandoned cats for years, that misleading videos and websites fooled us like lot so people still do. How could it be possible doing all these thing by one person without permanent staff or regular volunteers? If you cannot see it that way do go ask any of the real true catsanctuary in your area. I was there at CR, I saw it. It was one true death damp for cats. Oh yes, CR take money, then cats are gone in few days or few weeks, so, where do they use money for, debauchery, perhaps….no one knows, but definitely not on the safety, shelters and sufficient cares for the cats. CR do not want anymore volunteer like Carolyn, who is just doing the right thing as a true caring animal lover. If anyone still do not see or figure it out how cats are being neglected at CR should just go back to primary school, I guess. Please go find some thinking mind for once in a lifetime….pro caboodle idiots… |
| Dec 28, 2010 Rating | to anonymous You got it right anonymous. That is exactly how it is and worse. People just don’t get it. It’s very sad. I had a very hard time watching people bring their precious little cats in their carriers and leave them with Craig without them even checking everything out. He strolled them down the little walk and back and that was it. I wanted so badly to stop them and say WAIT! Haven’t you checked this out? They left their little babies with their little toys only to be thrown into a horror. I cried many nights, lost sleep and weight. 15 lbs to be exact. |
| Dec 28, 2010 Rating | you should start a petition to have him closed down…. Get something up online to get him closed down. |
Get out to the neighbors and call the BBB on him too.
In fact have you checked with them?
Also call the IRS and call the departments in Florida that allow you to set up a non-profic 501, etc. Let them know about him and how much land he bought.
A friend called me and said he was going to take a very sick cat with aids but the ranches own vet said that he did not rec. it because there are a lot of sick cats with upper resp. infections out there!
That is just absolutely horrible! I want to cry!
| Dec 28, 2010 Rating | WHAT A JOKE! KEEP IT REAL! This person obviously has not been privy to reading the sick man’s journal where he talks of coyotes. |
Also, it has not been privy to the coyote stories he tells you from his own mouth.
I’m guessing it’s one of his kids who he probably regularly lies to too and that they accept what daddy says, because they are freaked out to admit they have a twisted father who is a hoarder and animal abuser while he relishes on his huge, huge plot of land all being paid for by donations of innocent people all over the world.
The plots of land were so clearly unnecessary, all purchased at different times as he spent the money he took in as a non profit on it. There are no large beautiful, clean, staffed barns or little houses or trailers at all.
It is a red neck, rough and nasty spot in the woods surrounded by a rinky dink fence, no heat, no air, barely any electric at all where innocent and mostly domesticated cats are thrown into dog kennels in darkness for weeks if they don’t die in there first and actually warmed by gasoline/kerosene heaters, probably half of which he asphyxiates. The place is a fucking nightmare!
| Dec 28, 2010 Rating | anonymous What’s the matter anonymous, cat got your tongue? Soon I hope he has your a** too. bye |
| Dec 28, 2010 Rating | Pam and anonymous You tell em Pam. We speak nothing but FACTS! And yes they even tell you and on the web site it was stated (probably removed by now) $100 donation per cat brought into CR. What a pack of lies. |
| Dec 28, 2010 Rating | continuing…………. …….AND CONFIRMING WHAT THE BULLSHIT WEBSITE LEAD ME TO BELIEVE? THAT MY BABIES, WHO I SEARCHED FOR FOR 7 MONTHS AND 6 MONTHS PRIOR TO BRINGING THEM THERE LOOKED FOR HELP, USING HIM AS A LAST RESORT, WERE BEING TAKEN TO A SANCTUARY WOULD DIE OUT THERE!!!! |
Grant’s immediate neighbor is still waiting on a $300.00 damage bill for his cats running way over to her property to stay warm under the house/trailer and damaging the heating unit.
She has also been pinned in her car by packs of coyote. Another neighbor, the creep who runs the redneck paper, the Madison voice and won’t even explain why he deletes questions about the place when you go to their website
| Dec 28, 2010 Rating | also anonymous Also Ms Nanette told me and another volunteer named Stephanie, some real horror stories about the coyotes and how they still come in at night. Even right up to the so called office that sits in the center. I have a witness to everything she told us. I couldn’t eat or sleep thinking about all the cats there and how the # of them didn’t match up to what was shown on the site. Yes some are still there that are shown in the videos, Craig and Nanette try to keep the place replenished by accepting cats weekly still but stating that they aren’t . I am tired of the lies here and it just makes me more mad. I am glad all this is coming to court. They can even give me a lie detector test. I speak nothing but the truth and am ready for anything they bring on. |
| Dec 28, 2010 Rating | my grammar Excuse my grammar, did not edit, 🙂 |
| Dec 28, 2010 Rating | to Anonymous keep it real people? Anonymous, why don’t you lead us in doing that by using your real name here? Never once have I used any other name than my real one, know why? Cause I have nothing to hide and I speak the truth. How about you? The paper collars yes have been in place for a while, but they are a joke. Just go there for a week and you will see what I mean, of course you already know what I am talking about but continue with the charades and lies here. And yes it cost a lot to maintain the place. But what about all the money spent foolishly when things STILL NEED FIXING???? And yes I was the one who saw the cat in the garbage bag and now someone at least admits to what I seen. So maybe now everyone will listen to what else I shared with them. What about the # of cats dying that were not brought in sick to caboodle? They die at Craigs hands because of his mis-handling?? Knowing the place was an outdoor environment and being lied to about important things are not the same thing. And I have BIG NEWS FOR YOU….. we KNOW THE FACTS ABOUT THE COYOTES THERE. You must be totally not too bright to think we are going to believe anything other than facts. We spoke to over 6 neighbors there who were in just feet of caboodle. Get YOUR FACTS OK? And just what do you think ate 1/2 of the cat I found on the ground, I already know because of my research, so why not go do yours. And the neighbors have all complained about the cats. The cats that are taken care of there are ONLY THE ONES WHO STAY CLOSE TO THE CENTER. and even them don’t get the proper care cause Craig has no help NONE! Once a week maybe someone will come for a couple hrs. And then he gets Nanette the whimp for 1 week a month. She doesn’t do too much labor work, but she like to give meds, she has to as she knows that may be the only chance some of them cats might survive after being treated by Craig. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT OK, AND WHY YOU ARE AT IT, TELL US WHO YOU REALLY ARE. |
| Dec 28, 2010 Rating | keep it real people The paper collars were initiated oh… probably two years ago… nothing new about that. |
The ranch does not receive tons of money in donations and is far from a con job or get rich scheme. That notion is laughable. Anyone who has any experience with shelter operations whatsoever knows finances are always tight, even more so with one the size of CR. And where does this $100-200 fee to take a cat non-sense come from? A donation is requested (no particular amount and I’ve seen him take plenty for nothing) and it’s the least you can do to help out a little with one considering you’re leaving your cat(s) with him and expecting the world of him when you do it.
The idea that Craig throws cats away in the garbage is not true. He buries them. He may bag one temporarily until he buries it, but that’s it.
People that take their cats there because they did not put enough effort into finding an alternate home for them, and then complain that they are in an outdoor environment (with all that comes with that) just amaze me. You knew this when you took your cat there. I have seen sick cats there and all that, but never saw a cat with fleas or ticks, which amazed me.
The coyote issue is being way overblown. I’d be surprised if any coyotes are left around there, actually. Sure, they used to be there, may still be, but many of the comments about it being some sort of a nightly buffet are ludicrous. I’ve spent enough time there to know.
I have a hard time believing he is some sort of annoyance to his neighbors when I’ve spoken to them before and it was the first they’d ever heard of CR.
Let’s just stick to the facts – some of you do not have a firm grasp of reality.
| Dec 26, 2010 Rating | to anonymous Good point! |
| Dec 26, 2010 Rating | caboodle ranch cat hell this thief has 30 ACRES OF AN UNSAFE LAND WITH A VERY UNHEALTHY ENVIRONMENT INSTEAD OF 5-10 ACRES WITH A VERY SAFE ENVIRONMENT. HE IS NOTHING BUT A CON MAN. |
| Dec 26, 2010 Rating | caboodle ranch cat hell this thief has 30 ACRES OF AN UNSAFE LAND WITH A VERY UNHEALTHY ENVIRONMENT INSTEAD OF 5-10 ACRES WITH A VERY SAFE ENVIRONMENT. HE IS NOTHING BUT A CON MAN. |
| Dec 22, 2010 Rating | for Carolyn Hey Carolyn, Barbara Parsons posted on the guest book asking all kinds of questions and she says they removed her post. |
unbelievable…they just shut you down…
they are going to be shut down!
| Dec 21, 2010 Rating | persephone What is Barbara Parsons’s with facts? I missed something I believe. |
| Dec 21, 2010 Rating | Comments My friends and I have tried to post comments on CR facebook, Madison Voice, Friends of Caboodle and CR guest book, as well as NIO report comments session asking them the real question like Barbara Parsons’s with facts, never once a response and of course either they deleted all my questions or not even got posted . I did not use any foul language at all. Just asking the simple but serious questions any catlover would want to know. Since thay are taking loads of money for donation, you will think they will be answering simple question like that for the sake of caring donors. Their own action has been proving that they are just running a fishy profitable business with sufferings of the innocents.How immoral and unethical? How and when we will stop them from doing so? I am so sure that most cats at CR are facing fear and desperation at this very moment.I just feel so terrible. The saddest thing is CR will not allow any volunteer even to go help them. Obviously they have got skeltons in the closet. NIO people who bought time for them out of pure ignorance make the condition worse. What a bad world for all voiceless animals! I’ll stay in this course until they all got help.Is there still hope for them? DEFINITELY.. |
| Dec 20, 2010 Rating | Barbara’s question on guest book gone! Barbara, I noticed today your question to Caboodle Ranch on there guestbook page is gone. Looks like they’re up to their usual antics of deleting posts. Answering no questions. Go figure. |
| Dec 19, 2010 Rating | the enormous amount of COLLARS on the cats at CR WOW all of the blue collars in the pics before the people for open house were even allowed in. It is just so weird. So many of the cats appear to have just been treated for something. And so many are wearing collars, A NEVER BEFORE AT CABOODLE RANCH. I have had this conversation with several people and the cats just don’t wear them. |
How disgusting to think that this man and his partner in crime may have actually just stuck these blue paper collars on these cats for show!
It makes me sick! Another sad thing is how there are just not as many cats in these pics as you would expect. Just picture about 600-1000 cats which I am certain this man has taken in, and probably more, but how do you prove it without investigating and digging up the ground for bones, like Tiger Ranch, or going through the never ending piled up bags of garbage this man produces. The amount of trash is enormous. Cat bodies could be in soome of those bags.
In most pics you may be seeing 100 cats maybe, with a wet food feeding 150-200 TOPS!!!
I am sick over this situation. The lies. All of the lies. They are going to be brought out in court though, that is for certain!
| Dec 17, 2010 Rating | Rabies Elisa, I don’t live in Florida but I have looked up the laws in Florida governing Rabies vaccines. They are as follows: |
Title XLVI Chapter 828 Florida Statutes
828.30 Rabies vaccination of dogs, cats, and ferrets.–
(1) All dogs, cats, and ferrets 4 months of age or older must be vaccinated by a licensed veterinarian against rabies with a vaccine that is licensed by the United States Department of Agriculture for use in those species. The owner of every dog, cat, and ferret shall have the animal revaccinated 12 months after the initial vaccination. Thereafter, the interval between vaccinations shall conform to the vaccine manufacturer’s directions.
Upon vaccination against rabies, the licensed veterinarian shall provide the animal’s owner and the animal control authority with a rabies vaccination certificate. Each animal control authority and veterinarian shall use the “Rabies Vaccination Certificate” of the National Association of State Public Health Veterinarians (NASPHV) or an equivalent form approved by the local government that contains all the information required by the NASPHV Rabies Vaccination Certificate.
Violation of this section is a civil infraction, punishable as provided in s. 828.27(2).
Looks like if you are in violation it is a fine of no more than $500.00 per animal. From what I can tell it looks like Animal control and Caboodle Ranch would need to have a copy of the vaccination records.
| Dec 17, 2010 Rating | Rabies vacs Are the cats here required to have rabies shots? Is there a fine if he’s investigated by animal control or DHEC and doesn’t have a certificate for each cat? What are the laws for rabies vaccines in Florida. What are the fines if you can’t prove your pet has had its rabies shot? That is listed under basic animal care where I live in SC. In other words, no shot means you’re not properly caring for your pet. |
| Dec 17, 2010 Rating | Making comments Some people are duplicating their comments. This is probably because they don’t see their comment soon after it was made. |
Please don’t duplicate comments. All comments are published. It may take about 30 minutes to show. They are not moderated so please make them sensible and polite.
Thanks for your co-operation.
| Dec 17, 2010 Rating | Another post from the Madison Voice Claudia Goodman says: January 24, 2010 at 1:59 pm |
How many birds have been KILLED in the area of Benchmark Drive, Madison ?How would you feel if you had a over 500 cats running the area and killing the birds and other wildlife that you feed just waiting under the bird feeders for their prey? A local news paper printed the story of the Caboodle Ranch,but when there was a difference opion from others,it was not printed. How bias and onesided. I was glad to fine there is a Voice here In Madison County. What Can we do about this problem we need help?
| Dec 17, 2010 Rating | Thank you! Thank you Barbara:) I loved your post. An intelligent person asking questions and not someone blinded by a cute website and videos. I have many times over the last 2 months posted questions on the CR Facebook page, and they immediately got deleted. I have also emailed them multiple times and never get any answers. I have stated this so many times, if they have nothing to hide then answer the questions!!!! Please keep us informed if you get a response. |
| Dec 17, 2010 Rating | CR on Colbert CORRECTION I want to say this clearer. The show on Colbert did not air on Thursday night. |
I have read that they will be moving it up into January, but it still may be in December.
Everyone with complaints must go to cbs, comedy central, colbert, and write, write, write and ask it not be aired until this place is properly investigated.
I got an email last night that the United States Humane Society is looking into it.
Please complain to CBS ty!
http://www.colbertnation.com/home
| Dec 17, 2010 Rating | DEMANDING ANSWERS! From all that I have read and seen, I have definite questions which I posted at the Caboodle Ranch website on their guest book part 3. I am demanding answers from these people. |
On their site:
I am wondering both as a cat lover and a person who loves cats lover, what it is you have to say to the complaints you also get. I have watched many questions people have had go by unaswered by you, or your website person! I am asking you to explain many things that you seem to avoid 100% of the time. What is your explanation for people’s cats going missing, never showing up again, how filthy you allow things to get, your unhygenic approach, the loss of many kittens quite regularly from people I have chatted with, the poor and adequate heating and cooling for these animals, the ability for the cats to run off the property and for predators to enter the property, your neighbors complaining about coyotes and damage to their property, the fact that you take people’s money and then lose their cats without blinking an eye. What say you to these questions? Please answer them all here! ty
I meant to say INADEQUATE heating and cooling for these cats? I am expecting answers, good ones to all of these questions. The saying goes, build it and they will come, NOT HAVE THEM COME AND THEN BUILD IT!! It would appear Mr. Grant that you should not own 30 ACRES of land paid with by donations from people like me, but rather 5-10 acres with thousands of dollars spent on protecting the cats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| Dec 17, 2010 Rating | THIS WAS POSTED BY THE WEBSITE: IT DID NOT HAPPEN. MANY OF WROTE LETTERS TO COLBERT AND CBS. WE MUST CONTINUE TO DO SO. I HAVE FOUND ANOTHER LINK THAT THEY MOVED IT UP INTO JANUARY. WE MUST PROTEST THIS. |
Hi Caboodle fans! We just got word that the story on the ranch will air on The Colbert Report, on the Comedy Channel, this Thursday, Dec 16th, at 11:30 pm. If you miss it you can click on the link below to be able to view the story. It is the link to The Colbert Report home page, and you can find the video there, after Dec 16th.
They came to the ranch just 3 weeks ago to film and interview Craig and the caboodles. It was a lot of fun to see them at work and there was a lot of laughter as well. As you may or may not know, The Colbert Report is done by Stephen Colbert, and with his straight faced humor, does a lot of ‘over the top’ humorous stories.
He said that Caboodle Ranch was ‘over the top cute’ so it was right up his alley. Attached, please find some photos from their day at the ranch. I will be posting them on the website soon. This is an exclusive email to my ‘caboodlites’ , but we will have links and photos posted on the website once the story airs
**As always, if you wish to NOT be on my caboodle list for latest news, videos or photos, please let me know. We never want to be intrusive to anyone
Many Purrs and blessing and a Merry Christmas Everyone!
Nanette
| Dec 17, 2010 Rating | PLEASE GO AND POST!!! PEOPLE PLEASE GO HERE WITH YOUR STORIES OF HAVING LOST YOUR CAT TO CABOODLE RANCH OR AS A WITNESS TO WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN….I JUST FOUND THIS: |
| Dec 17, 2010 Rating | Just found this…. FROM THE MADISON VOICE and he meant to say caboodle ranch: |
rich lange says:
January 27, 2010 at 10:17 am
I live down the road from cat doddle ranch, we have a problem here. He has as many as 500 cats there. The problem is they dont stay on his ranch. They are all over the place. I used to feed quail dailey at my house along with other birds. The quail are gone, I havnt seen a quail in months. His cats will park themselfs under my bird feeders and kill the song birds. Its nice what he is trying todo down there, But the natural wildlife should not suffer because of his mission. If I had 500 dogs, I would have to have them in a kennel and a kennel licence. He has neither. Its time aminal control dose something about this. Many of his cats have been hit by cars going down the road, they are not as safe as they seem tobe. Maybe you can help with this problem. Thanks for hearing me out…..Rich
| Dec 16, 2010 Rating | Fraud I am not a lawyer, but it seems to me that the people that have given cats to Caboodle Ranch and have had their cats vanish, may have grounds for suit. In essence, they may have entered into an informal contract with Caboodle if money was given in exchange for the cats if they were doing so under the impression that is given by the Caboodle website. Cabbodle is a non-profit corporation and it seems that they have turned it into a profit making corp. I think is would be worth someone looking in to that end. It may come to nothing but it is a different angle to enforce responsibility on to Caboodle for the cats. |
| Dec 16, 2010 Rating | fraud I told others that myself, especially the ones who gave $500 only to have their cats disappear immediately. All CR could say was “they are here, they are hiding in their forever homes” BS line! |
| Dec 16, 2010 Rating | Fraud I am not a lawyer, but it seems to me that the people that have given cats to Caboodle Ranch and have had their cats vanish, may have grounds for suit. In essence, they may have entered into an informal contract with Caboodle if money was given in exchange for the cats if they were doing so under the impression that is given by the Caboodle website. Cabbodle is a non-profit corporation and it seems that they have turned it into a profit making corp. I think is would be worth someone looking in to that end. It may come to nothing but it is a different angle to enforce responsibility on to Caboodle for the cats. |
| Dec 16, 2010 Rating | just the facts Yes you got that right. Every bit, and maybe even in his mind he thinks he is doing the right things because let’s face it, he is a hoarder. If you meet Craig, you will know and understand this. He is exactly as he has been described by many. Arrogant and is anti-social. But I could care less about him. I started all this because I was concerned. I was crucified and everything else you can imagine. I have been disgusted with it all and have tried to lay low as it was taking a lot from other things in my life going on. Now it is out in the open, and I feel it is in God’s hands, and Craig and Nanette should be forewarned. The outcome will not be what they wish for. I can guarantee them that. |
| Dec 16, 2010 Rating | to Carolyn You’re welcome. I am tired of everyone focusing on the cats that can not be helped, that are probably already dead. If you took your cats there and they are now missing, you will probably never find them. Some people seem to have forgotten the cats that are still there and still in danger. They may be fine today. but what about tommorrw or the next day, or the next. |
I don’t think that Caboodle Ranch properly uses the money received from donations. They have lost the focus and what should be their primary concern.. Every dollar donated to Cabodle Ranch should go strictly for the cats. Who knows what the money is spent on if Craig is as irresponsible with that as he is with the lives of the cats. I think people are getting ripped off and and Craig should be investigated for FRAUD. He takes money from cat owners and doesn’t care for the cats as he promises.
| Dec 16, 2010 Rating | thanks Just the Facts Let’s not forget that some cats have even been caught and hung in the kennel fencing. So for all we know some of the cats that disappeared may have been found the next day by Craig either 1/2 dead in the kennel fence or dead already. |
Also, coyotes are coyotes, they are there and they will not leave. The fence is not secured like it should be plain and simple.
Craig does not have the right priorities. Gazebo? Hotels? Everyone’s food? What about the cats? Why not fix the fence properly once and for all, why not give the cats more REAL SHELTER for heat and cold? Hello World! Wake up…. this man has the right concept but he is just a licensed hillbilly hoarder who has the fantasy of being a rancher with our cats.
| Dec 16, 2010 Rating | thanks Just the Facts Let’s not forget that some cats have even been caught and hung in the kennel fencing. So for all we know some of the cats that disappeared may have been found the next day by Craig either 1/2 dead in the kennel fence or dead already. |
Also, coyotes are coyotes, they are there and they will not leave. The fence is not secured like it should be plain and simple.
Craig does not have the right priorities. Gazebo? Hotels? Everyone’s food? What about the cats? Why not fix the fence properly once and for all, why not give the cats more REAL SHELTER for heat and cold? Hello World! Wake up…. this man has the right concept but he is just a licensed hillbilly hoarder who has the fantasy of being a rancher with our cats.
| Dec 16, 2010 Rating | All Postors 1. Cats are still being eaten by coyotes at CR, fence or no fence. |
2. CR is still making lots and lots of money by donations from unsuspecting people who believe what is said on other web sites. People who are not lookiing any farther than the cute houses and don’t know WHAT ELSE TO LOOK FOR.
3. The investigation by NIO was a waste of time, if they were not allowed to see all the property. Of course the cats that surrounded them at the front gate were healthy. SICK CATS HIDE.
4. The lack of dead cats or partial remains only ENFORCES the evidence of coyotes as they are very efficient scavengers. They eat road kill!!!!!!
5. Caboodle Ranch website is not TRUTHFULL. They still promise something they are not giving.
If so many cats escaped the dog kennels that Craig has set up to acclimate any new arrivals, why did he not FIX IT DO THEY COULD NOT ESCAPE??
I see so many people saying their cats escaped very quickly after being brought there, that it should have been a red flag for Craig.
There is a difference between abuse and neglect and I would say that Craig is guilty of NEGLECT.
NO sanctuary is perfect, but some have a much better plan than Caboodle Ranch.
Cats House on the Kings (in California)
Cat Depot (in Florida)
Feisty Acres (in Florida)
Haven Acres (in Florida)
Mayport Cats (in Florida)
I have never seen any comments about these that equal what negativity I have seen about
Caboodle Ranch.
| Dec 16, 2010 Rating | anonymouse Please grow up. |
| Dec 16, 2010 Rating | on a side! (that was a not directed to YOU Carolyn) Hope you were not ref to me Carolyn. My post was meant for the scumbags who come here and talk about those that are all together AGAINST this shithole called caboodle ranch!! A front to make money and purchase land. |
What I SAID WAS THE assholes not posting against caboodle ranch and actually calling the others of us on “A SIDE”, are brainless, crude scum!
I SAID THE ONLY SIDE for those of us here are on the CAT’S SIDE! SO FUCK OFF if you are not on THE CAT’S SIDE. Christ, is that so difficult to understand?
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | catrescue No but I would not doubt it, too many people have been contacted about what is happening there, way too many and from many people too. I hope it’s true, I just want to see the cats being done right and for them to stop lying on their web site. |
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | Thanks Thanks Carolyn. I couldn’t figure out who that person was talking to. Does anyone know anything about state inspectors being out there recently? Just heard the rumor. |
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | which one The one that posted right before my last post |
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | which one? Which Anonymous are you talking to??? I am so confused. |
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | Anonymous Dear Anonymous, you really say a lot about who you are when you voice yourself on here. Everything you said in your last post is exactly how you are seen. It’s going to be a shame when the truth comes out and I would like to see what you have to say then. funny how you won’t even post your real name, scared are we? Maybe scared that in the end when you find out you were wrong you don’t want people knowing who you were. So you can try to come out of all this rosey. And posting on here or expecting something to happen from NIO is not even part of the game plan. This is just a place to vent and tell what I know. I don’t take any of the BS from you or anyone. I know what is going on there and in time you will have to face yourself for being so naive and God too, you will have to face him. You are going to need him on your side after you find out how many cats have died at CR and are still dying. |
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | on a side! lmao right, the people that told their horrible stories are on each other’s side. They are on a side? You are one lowlife. Nasty, uncaring, and really, really disgusting. |
They all sound like they are on the cat’s side to me shit for brains.
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | cut and paste I am sure that those posts weren’t made by Camille on this blog. They are obviously cut from the NIO website months ago. They were made before they investigated. Camille has no reason to throw herself back in the middle of this mudpit. That was low. Whoever did that should set the record straight. |
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | on my side? Excuse me but there are no sides here. I hardly even come here anymore because of the BS. But this is about the cats. And I am supposively the one who started all this. It is my pictures that are posted NIO, the ONES I TOOK. But there are no sides and I could care less about their stupid investigation that wasn’t! Their report was garbage and I have spoken with others that have told me what they thought and these were other rescue groups. They said the same thing. That report meant nothing. And I am telling you what I know because of what I seen. What is happening at CR is a crime, it is a shame, and again people are being bluffed while animals suffer. If you even go there now and everything seems ok, it’s because most of the cats that resided there before are gone now due to DEATH |
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | on my side? Excuse me but there are no sides here. I hardly even come here anymore because of the BS. But this is about the cats. And I am supposively the one who started all this. It is my pictures that are posted NIO, the ONES I TOOK. But there are no sides and I could care less about their stupid investigation that wasn’t! Their report was garbage and I have spoken with others that have told me what they thought and these were other rescue groups. They said the same thing. That report meant nothing. And I am telling you what I know because of what I seen. What is happening at CR is a crime, it is a shame, and again people are being bluffed while animals suffer. If you even go there now and everything seems ok, it’s because most of the cats that resided there before are gone now due to DEATH |
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | ?????????? Personally all I am seeing is that things posted on the website of negotiation is over has been added to this blog. |
Who cares who did it. I went and looked and it is there. I am telling you that I know a friend who’s girlfriend took a cat to caboodle ranch last month and is freaking out now when I have told her about the things I have read. She does not even know how to ask to go out and look for the cat. It is really stupid and sad that people have been putting up with this crap.
I have actually seen most stuff here other places too. Who cares? Is there a reason to care about that. It seems like if was written once, writing it 100 times if that is what it takes to throw light on it is great. I would not care who posted anything that tells the truth, especially if the person DID SAY IT. Wat the hell is the problem with you loons?
I mean what are you saying? Somebody comes here and tells us that somebody did not post something? Something they wrote and you can find it somewhere else? I don’t get some of you people.
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | me again I don’t believe that was Pam anyway. I know Pam. She is not up this time in the am, so maybe someone is trying to make it look like her. But like you said, they are trying to make her look crazy. I know Pam, she loved her cats, that is all. She is grieving just as I am. I have one cat that is at CR that got out of her cage the first night. Disappeared forever. I spent 8 days thereafter and never found her even though I was there day in and day out. |
I myself have never put any commnet here anonymous. I have nothing to fear and I am only going to say this one more time. What I tell people about CR is all FACTS and others have been mislead. Believe it or not.
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | serious stalking here/there are stalker laws in most states I’ll tell you something that is really WOW and disgusting, as an observer of this blog, you people constantly talking about this person Pamela. WTF is your problem. Your fixations are scary! |
And who the hell are you? Posting constantly under anonymity and with foul remarks? Really, who the hell are you, because several of us believe you are ONE SINGLE PSYCHOTIC ON THE PROWL FOR RELIEF OF YOUR SICKNESS. I don’t know, just a guess creepy.
If I were Pamela, I would try and find out WHO YOU ARE, but that’s just me.
Carolyn, yes, it is good to see NIO is going to look into things after all. Maybe the head person had a falling out with the dumb & dumber, lol.
I pray something prevails. And we all must write into CBS to stop that Colbert joke. I know of 3 people that wrote in and I am SURE PAMELA WILL! LOLOLOLOL
So get to it!
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | You don’t believe it? Carolyn, be disappointed all you want. The fact of the matter is, this is EXACTLY what was done. The statements below (posted here by the queen of cut & paste) attributed to Camille were in the comments section of NIO, under the original posting on CR. These statements reprinted here were her response to a posting CR made, as I said – BEFORE NIO INVESTIGATED!! |
Now perhaps you will see what Destiny and others have been trying to tell you. With Pamela on your “side” you are doomed. It is turning more people away than you can imagine!
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | wow As much as we all dislike Pam’s ranting and re-posts and copy and pasting here, I don’t believe she would say she is Camille. Pam if you did, I am totally disappointed no matter what your intentions would be behind that. |
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | wow As much as we all dislike Pam’s ranting and re-posts and copy and pasting here, I don’t believe she would say she is Camille. Pam if you did, I am totally disappointed no matter what your intentions would be behind that. |
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | Taken out of context The past 20-something posts (all the stories AS WELL AS THE STATEMENTS FROM CAMILLE) were a direct cut & paste from the NIO website when they first published the Caboodle story in November. BEFORE NIO WENT OUT TO INVESTIGATE!! To make it look here like Camille is making these statements NOW is ABSURD!! Pamela is up to her ‘ol cut & paste routine again this morning. |
Pamela, in my mind your story has been discredited. You state you took cats there in April and were so distraught, yet the posting you made on market4free on July 20(posted somewhere below all your cut & paste insanity) shows you were trying to make some money by going out there, and actually trying to get more people to go & volunteer. You’re a NUT!! Sue me!! LMFAO
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | I am so sorry for your suffering OMG all of these amazing and caring people who have been through pure hell because of this bastard! |
And then you have had to endure all the comments of crud and scum for weeks on top of your suffering and the suffering of your animals!
What a damn sick world. I know I am ashamed to be associated with the human race.
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | THE CATS well good, that’s all I wanted to know. This has been about the cats from day one. That is all I was concerned with. That’s why I told everyone, I came back home and couldn’t wait to warn people because I had been bragging about finding this cool place for cats on the internet to all my friends and animal lovers that I knew. I couldn’t tell them fast enough DON’T TAKE YOUR CATS THERE, and had lost hrs of sleep and 15 lbs in weight. That last for weeks on end. God help these babies. The concept is good though, but he is not doing things right. thanks |
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | I GUESS I SHOULD VISIT THERE OTHERWISE I AM USELESS I have no agenda other than to defend those cats who can’t defend themselves. |
1- dead animals on the property is indicative of gross negligence at the very least. if we were talking about children, would you make the same ludicrous claim that we’re naturally going to find one or two dead here and there. that’s absurd!!!
2- asserting that someone is suicidal or has other issues is a common, albeit transparent, attempt to deflect attention from the real issue. i don’t care about any tangential or irrelevant matters. i am only concerned about the animals.
3- i’ve personally done rescue work and fostered countless dogs. i know what sick and injured animals look like when they’re removed from abusive situations. that does not justify locking them up in back trailers in filth.
4- if initiating official investigations and coordinating them with the media qualifies as a “threat,” then, you are correct… i’m threatening you with exposure.
camille
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | Camille Camille, do you mean to tell me, you are going to finally believe someone? |
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | NIO From Camille Marino: |
The following was reported by an anonymous source:
“I recently visited an animal sanctuary in Florida. This place is on private property, but is an IRS registered 501C3 [sic] non-profit organization. [Craig is the owner of the ‘cat rescue’ and lives on the property]… While touring this facility I was shocked to find the animals in very poor health, diseased and many near death. It will be hard to just walk in unannounced.
They have been really watching who they let in, and even then they only let you stay in the front area with all the little houses and [where] the healthy cats are. There are many trailers where the sick cats are, they are kept locked…. I wouldn’t let them know your [sic] coming to check out poor conditions or they’ll never let you in.”
Caboodle Ranch, Inc.
711 SE Benchmark Drive
Lee, Florida 32059
Craig’s Cell Phone: (904) 377-1715
(there is no cell reception at caboodle; craig uses his phone when he goes to lunch in town everyday bet. 11:30 & 1:00)
I am asking all activists to call, write, and — if at all possible — show up in person and make noise. These abused, abandoned, and displaced cats are now being victimized by their rescuers. We owe them our voices.
Several people have been put in place to approach this situation from a number of different avenues. Local activists are working independently to get information. Others are pursuing the issue at the county level to assess potential options for recourse. Another colleague is researching whether Caboodle is accredited with the American Sanctuary Association. We are also working to prompt an investigation through the Veterinarian of the State of Florida and the Secretary of State who overseas 501(3)(c) filings. Although I withheld last names and contact information for the sources quoted in this article, that information is being forwarded to those in a position to launch an official investigation.
But we cannot leave those animals in the hands of agencies and regulatory bodies alone. WE NEED ACTIVISTS TO CALL & WRITE! MAKE NOISE! KEEP THE PRESSURE ON!
Simultaneously, I’m contacting several media sources to hopefully secure a mainstream spotlight for Craig.
by Camille Marino
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | SICK MAN CONTINUED HE IS A NEGLECTFUL ABUSER AND MURDERER: “went up one morning , no Frankie. I called, nothing. No sign of him, I walked through the woods, still nothing. Upsetting. I should have put him in my place. This mistake has cost him his life what will I tell Evelyn? Still more days had passed, and no Frankie. I look at the little depression on the straw where Frankie had slept. Each morning, I seemed to hold my breath, hoping he would be back, but no. Five days had passed, he’s gone, dead I guess. A rancher across the street had been losing a calf a week to the coyotes. He had gotten some donkeys and they had killed more than 22 coyotes which was good news to me. No wonder it had been so quiet at night. Just still a few around. I shook my head , disgusted with myself.” Craig Grant |
HE IS FULL OF ANGER:
“I kind of lost it a bit–I give them so much. Now, tomorrow’s lunch is gone. They even ate the fries! So, what can I say, I’m tired.” Craig Grant
HE IS ARROGANT:
“My business is mine and no one elses.” Craig Grant
I SURE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK WITH HIS EX-WIFE!!!
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | THIS IS ONE SICK MAN The following are all of Grant’s thoughts, they come from the most truthful source about what he has done, himself, he wrote every word and put in on his website ‘Caboodle Ranch’. |
FROM DAY ONE HE WAS OUT OF HIS MIND ALREADY IT JUST ESCALATED FROM THERE!
HE IS PSYCHOTIC:
“I cut a hole in the jungle and made it home. The winter of 2003, cold nights, a little kerosene heater that nearly killed me more than once. Me and 22 little friends whose lives I also put at risk.” Craig Grant
HE IS OVERWHELMED:
“I take pride in my herd; keeping them all in good health is a lot of work. Now I feel discouraged. To make matters worse, guest would point out the sick, like I don’t see this! I live with them; I see their needs and address it. It costs me hundreds of dollars. I’ve learned a lot over the past 5 years. I know how to care for them. If I need advice I call Madison Vet Clinic, they’ve offered over the phone assistance to me and any medications. If I had to take every cat in, financially, it wouldn’t work. When I’ve done all I can do, I take them in. I know when.” Craig Grant
HE IS ANTISOCIAL, DEPRESSED AND INSANE:
“I don’t leave the ranch much anymore. I have too many lives to be responsible for. I’m content to live my life here, sharing with some of the best friends I’ve ever had. We don’t care that our shelter is a run-down sardine can in the woods, nor does it matter that we’ve been dumped.”
“Imagine if we had a life like theirs. I wonder if I’d still be here. My wife left me–that would make me unwanted. Maybe I should have been put to sleep. Or, I try to cross a street, a car aims for me, I’m flattened. Not only that, I get to lay there for a few days. I had pneumonia once, that’s a good reason. I haven’t been shot at yet, but I did have food poisoning. I’m glad someone cared enough to get me help. I was homeless once–that was a good reason. I wonder what life I’m on? I’ve been through what some of the cats have been through. We’ll just stay out here now and keep to ourselves.” Craig Grant
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | PART X Subject: Serious Stuff |
I was asked to forward this along and also to share on Facebook. This once again is concerning Caboodle Ranch. Here is an email that was forwarded to me today and from what I can tell was shared through a forum somewhere:
Hey Kat Kidz:
I don’t normally use this forum for a personal soapbox, but, in this case I am making an exception (as this subject is near and dear to all of us).
On October 16, 2010 I departed Naples for a week long annual planned giving conference in Atlanta, Georgia, Stone Mountain to be exact. I had been fostering 4 cats that are (pretty much) unadoptable.
So, I decided to take them to the Caboodle Ranch in Lee Florida, just west of the I-10 / I-75 intersection (which was right on my way, I was driving).
The website for the Caboodle Ranch makes it look very appealing….IT IS NOT !!!
It is a nightmare for the cats that live there. If anyone is interested in details, call me, otherwise I am going to spare you the horrors of this place.
To make a very long story short……Caboodle Ranch is owned by an animal hoarder that has tried to legitimize his abhorent behavior by acquiring a tax exempt ID number and producing an attractive website.
I am currently working with The Humane Society of the U.S. and Best Friends Animal Society trying to close this place down.
My point in this writing is simply this…..NEVER, NEVER take or send a cat to the Caboodle Ranch and say as many bad things about this place as you can to your animal loving friends. Like I said, if you want details, call me, otherwise TRUST me this place is BAD NEWS !!!!!
Gary
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | PART V Literally thousands of palmetto bugs living inside this closet along with what it looked to be things that Craig had put in there some time ago. The noises were them moving around inside and also they were dropping from the ceiling of the closet down onto the bottom and on top of things. I immediately shut the door back in horror! I knew right then I need to get some poison. And I also knew there were no cats able to get in there and none lived in there. |
Now as I was cleaning I glanced over at the water pan that was under the AC and watched a kitten walk over to it to get a drink. I yelled and ran over and pulled him away. Inside the water were dead palmetto bugs, along with dirt and whatever else, even syringes.
I am sure from when Craig sprayed with bug spray the bugs would drop into the water. I put my cleaning rags down and went out to a shed he had near the back entry looking for something to help with this problem.
I found a broke down cage and took one side of it back inside the trailer. There I layed it across the top of the water pan like a grille. I stood back and watched, again the kitten came up to drink the water, but this time he was unable to access it. Thank God, I thought to myself.
I did return the following week and put boric acid only in the closet. I know that that had to help somewhat, it might take a week to take effect but I knew how good that stuff works. I didn’t even want to imagine when the lights go out each night, seeing the cages covered with the bugs crawling up and down the cage bars and going inside where the sick cat was laying. The thought of that made me ill.
to be continued
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | PART U None of it made sense to me, but I didn’t say too much as it was not my place, I could only suggest and then forget about it. Freezing cold AC room with cats with upper respiratory infections among other things, no blankies, no little boxes or anything to curl up into and then having to breath bug spray. Then I mentioned to Craig that we should find a way to put bug poison out in a place where the cats could not get into it. |
Preferrably boric acid, It keeps palmetto bugs out for 3 mths and sometimes longer. You won’t have even one if you can do the whole trailer, but that would be impossible. I told him that when I returned next week I would bring some back with me so we could see what we could do about them. So he left me to clean.
While I was cleaning there were small holes in the walls and you could see the ‘feelers’, or ‘antennas’ whatever they call them that palmetto bugs have, as they were peeping out the holes, almost as if they were waiting for a chance to come out if I leave. It was grose, but
I didn’t care, cleaning the place up meant more to me and I wasn’t going to be scared away by any bugs. As I was cleaning I was looking for a place that I might be able to put poison out.
I opened a closet door there in the main room of ‘sick bay’ wondering if I could put some in there and I was also hearing noises coming from there. I really thought at first there might be a cat trapped inside there and perhaps no one knew he was there. When I opened the door I about died of a heart attack.
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | PART T I continued working and swept and filled two large garbage bags. During the entire day of running back and forth around the property I yelled and called out for my cat, she was no where. Katrina was trapped once in an attic at a strange house and even then when she heard my voice she started meowing, letting me know where she was. This time it wasn’t happening. |
I was very saddened but figured she is probably hanging out in the area and there is food.
to be continued
THE PALMETTO BUGS – My 2nd weekend at a CR Craig had already been telling me how bad the bugs were in what they
called Sick Bay. He took me into the trailer for the first time. Let me first say that it was worse than the first trailer. He pointed out in the corner of the ceiling a nest of large palmetto bugs hanging together. He explained to me how at night when you turn the lights out the ceiling is so thick with them that you can’t see the roof.
I then said to Craig, why not just don’t turn out the lights, I know palmetto bugs, they won’t come out with the lights on, well at least not as bad, but he never responded. I immediately saw the wall AC unit he had in the back window and how it was dripping down into a bucket like pan he had below. I explained to Craig that was why he had such a bad problem in this trailer with palmetto bugs and not the other one.
He said he knew that but that he sprays bug spray constantly in there and it brings them down a bit. But I explained to him that for one, spray won’t get rid of them, it only kills them on contact and he had already told me they were really bad inside the walls.
Also I mentioned that it was not a good idea to spray that bug spray all around those sick babies like that. That trailer is not that big, he also had the ac running in there, so no fresh air. In which by the way, the room was always freezing cold.
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | PART S I also noticed that the bungee on the cage door was wrapped differently than the way I had done it and my bag of cat litter had been moved from by the door to inside a shed. I figured Craig may have thought it was his and put it in there. |
I asked Craig about my cat and he said he had no idea what happened to her and that he did not mess with my cats, yet I knew he had been back there and possibly inside the kennel because of the bungee. I knew I had all day to find Katrina and figured she would come out. I took care of all the back kennels that day and the cats that resided in them.
Before I knew it the day was almost up and I knew we had to be out by 5 pm. Kenney did such a great job on these large cages that Craig had taken out of the back trailer that he blew Craig away, Craig was impressed. Before we left Craig said he had to have the trailers clean because people had complained about them but that I didn’t have time to complete them but to at least sweep.
I only got to get to one trailer and when I went inside I was shocked. I wasn’t sure if I had enough time to perform any miracles today, but I did my best. Filthy, it was dusgusting and there was a mixture of sick and healthy cats inside. Also, some there were two large overweight but beautiful cats inside two cages on the floor looking very frightened.
These were just dropped off today. I could not believe he put them in here. Flies swarming, filth all over the floor, The cats were petrified. I wiped down the wood shelves that had dried throw up and poop. He asked me to line them with napkins when I was done. Napkins is what he uses inside the kitties cages too. Napkins are their blankets.
I knew in my heart that if those two new kitties had something to hide in they would not be as scared. There were other cats all around them sick and slobbering over their cages. Even something better for them to lay on instead of in the filthy cage might of helped, like a soft blanket.
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | PART R Carolyn’s Story: |
FIRST HEARING OF CABOODLE RANCH – I had lost my own place to live and now was renting a room at a friends house and had to find a place to home my cats. My friend Kenny’s mother sent me a link to Caboodle Ranch. I was astounded.
Just to think there was this fabulous rescue place and it is right here in Florida. I immediately sent Nanette an email. She never responded after two tries so I called Craig’s #. It took a couple of days but he finally answered. He agreed to take my cats but it would be permanently not temporary.
I told him I would come the first weekend and we could talk about the arrangement and also I wanted to look the place over. He told me to call him before I come. I called him friday am and he told me he had gotten some kennels empty and to bring my cats now! I could not retrieve my cats from the place they were staying until about 9 am sat so that meant I would not make it to Caboodle til sometime after 12:30 or so.
Well he had mentioned before that he would not let us be there except from 2 to 5, so I thought it would not be a problem. I did tell him that I would volunteer every weekend til my cats were released and then about once a month for a weekend.
1st WEEKEND THERE – We got there late sat it was about 2:30 I believe. As Kenney and I stood outside the fence waiting for Craig to come and let us in, there was a strange smell coming from the large pile of garbage bags just inside the fence. It almost had a smell like a dead animal, but I couldn’t say for sure. Then Kenney seen a dead kitten on the ground.
It looked to be about 2 weeks old and it’s neck was stretched back like how the cats do to kittens when they kill the, they suffocate them or break their necks. Craig opened the gate and we showed him the kitten. Funniest thing cause he went to pick it up, but we never seen what he did with it.
Craig was kind of stand offish to us. He was rushing around and others had brought in cats too. We got the cats settled in the back kennels and then we all went to dinner. Craig does not like people talking and told me I talk too much. I had barely said anything but only wanted to discuss the cats. But I figured I will be there another day so maybe he would open up and talk to me then.
He seemed to be a bit upset that we came so late and later disclosed that he wanted us there earlier to help him clean. I told him we would do good for him on sunday. He paid for our dinner and also a hotel room for the night. Sunday when I went back to the kennels where my cats were, I immediately noticed one of my cats gone, Katrina.
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | PART Q Thick straw mounds line the bottoms of the many sheds and pens. Craig boasts that he heats these enclosures on cold nights. Space heaters are there to prove it– right on the straw! THIS IS A FIRE HAZARD! Cats can be burned to death in these pens. He can start a forest fire! |
I believe Craig diagnoses and treats many of the cats himself. He begged Annette (a vet tech) for meds.
Our photos are disappointing, but we’re going back on Sun. 12/13. This time we won’t call ahead, and Chuck most likely won’t be there. Perhaps the trailers won’t be locked. This time, there will be 3 of us: Annette, Larry and myself. We’ll get in one way or the other. I’m not sure if they’d willingly let me in again.
Please don’t take my word for any of the above. Check out Caboodle! E-mail Nannette. Tell her you’ll pay if they take a few cats—offer her a large sum. Ask to see the place first. Walk the property, including the woods. Check out the long row of pens, as well as the individual ones. Demand to see inside all the trailers, even the ones secluded in the woods.
Can you please help us stop these people? We will help in any way we can—we are more than willing to drive there to help catch cats, and possibly find the cages that house our missing ones.
My goal is to shut this place down; maybe regular and thorough inspections would work. Regardless, the cats need immediate medical care. Many need to be isolated in a humane environment; others are far too ill and need to be euthanized. Still others need to be fixed before they reproduce.
How can I get humane organizations to investigate this death ranch. The local Humane Society is useless. They’ve never been there, nor are they interested in going there. According to Betty, “Where else ya gonna take feral cats, we don’t take ‘em here.”
Any and all suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Feel free to call me any day, any time.
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | PART P Craig can’t remember what he says one time to the next; we caught him in so many lies. Chuck was kicked out of a motel, living there with about 20 cats. He keeps them in a pen at Caboodle; he does odd jobs in return. Few of his cats are fixed. Upon arrival (12/6), Craig introduced “my manager, Chuck, he’ll escort you.” |
Chuck followed closely behind Larry; I walked in the other direction, and slipped into the trailer housing the dying cats. It had been cleaned up; only a few remained. I managed to get a few photos of them, but they didn’t come out very well.
I took photos of the the isolation pen (where my cats were kept) and where other cats almost hung themselves. I also took photos of the filthy bowls, trash lying on the grounds, and empty cat food cans—cats eat from these cans; others get fed on styrofoam plates. Craig appeared, so I rejoined Larry and Chuck.
It didn’t take long to discover that Chuck loved to boast about his numerous feats: “I once held a wild panther in my lap.” It was easy to engage him in conversation about himself; however, he was ill-prepared for my many questions, and stumbled to find answers. He couldn’t keep tabs on both of us; Larry slipped away. Chuck and I continued to walk through the vast woods. I observed more trailers, and more pens, than I was previously aware of.
I questionned Chuck about the numerous (office-type) trailers; there are 6 on the property–some without windows. “We house the feral ones there. They’re mean suckers. Look at my hands. That’s from changing litter pans in their cages.” I questionned why they keep some feral cats in cages, in trailers with NO windows. “We use leather gloves and tame them quicker that way.” He pointed to one trailer, “that’s the infirmary, where the sick cats go.” Perhaps this is where the dying cats were moved to. Oddly, there was an open window with a cat-ladder leaning up to it, so the healthy ones can visit.
I was not allowed in this trailer, but in spite of Chuck’s warning, I tried the door; it was locked. The windows were very dirty, but you could see the tops of cages; the trailer is raised several feet off the ground, so you can’t just look in the windows. I was not allowed in the secluded trailers in the woods, either.
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | PART O I took Emma to Caboodle. I ripped her out of a safe, familiar, healthy environment, and away from her friends. I’ve seen TV clips where Animal Control catches cats with rabies poles and cages–it’s not very humane! Yet out of desperation, I called AC–that’s how bad Caboodle is. If she’s not already dead, Emma could be caught with a rabies pole and destroyed. How could I do this to her? |
My husband asked Craig how many cats he has. “ Over 300, but I’d like 3000.” What a lucrative business—charging desperate, caring people to take their homeless cats at 100-200 dollars each! When they die a month later, he just takes more. Visitors walk down the path lined with painted houses, while Craig boasts about the wonderful life he provides. He’s totally oblivious to the pain and suffering, i.e., if you say, “Craig, that cat is sick,” he’ll reply something to the effect: Aren’t the houses neat? Look how good they have it here.
Nannette supposedly lives in North Carolina and rarely sees the place. I sincerely believed she would be concerned to hear about the conditions at Caboodle. Instead she immediately threatened legal action. Craig claims Discovery Channel and “the Japanese” filmed Caboodle and were going to air it on TV.
I NEED HELP stopping these people! As compassionate activists, we should be shutting down puppy mills—not closing down a cat sanctuary! As I write this letter, I believe I sound like an over-emotional, over-reacting woman. I need photos—just a few would say it all!
On Sun. 12/6, Larry and I, armed with cameras, again made the long trip. We e-mailed Nannette before leaving, and informed her we would be searching for Emma again–Craig takes her calls. There’s a lock on the gate. If you don’t follow the rules, he may not answer, and the long trip would be futile.
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | PART N Annette also made arrangements to retrieve her 2 cats, and we made the trip together. Once again, Caboodle didn’t have Emma. Furthermore, 1 of Annette’s cats was missing. We searched the grounds, but never found them. Although we didn’t see our cats, we saw so much more of Caboodle Ranch–much more than Craig could ever have anticipated. |
He accompanied us on our search; however, we were determined, and he couldn’t keep us from looking into the numerous pens and a trailer. We went inside this trailer.
Surely, everyone has seen pictures of Jewish concentration camps and the rows of dead bodies! But the cats weren’t dead yet. There were rows of them along the walls of this trailer. I touched some of them. They opened their eyes, so I knew they were still alive; but they looked dead. They were just too weak to lift their heads.
I’m the first one to aid a sick or injured animal; there were just so many of them; I could do nothing. This was NOT an isolation unit—any cat could enter through the open window that has a ladder leading up to it. A white and grey-tabby kitten, that appeared healthy less than a week ago, sat on a shelf directly above the sick cats. She had thick green mucous all over her face.
A large dog pen housed about 10 cats. (Several pens did.) Craig informed us that these cats belonged to a couple who was undergoing chemotherapy; he was boarding them. They were all sick. We questioned Craig about the sick cats we observed on earlier visits. “They’re in my office.” He added that he has the cat with liver problems on intervenous, and he’s reversing the liver disease with B-12.
Caboodle’s wooden houses are painted to resemble town buildings: Wal-Mart (with little metal shopping carts in front), a school, a church, etc. Cats are everywhere, running and climbing. Many are beautiful and appear healthy. These first impressions could be very deceiving. The decorations do absolutely nothing for the cats, and the cats you don’t see, desperately need medical attention (or euthanasia).
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | PART M Annette works part-time as a vet tech and was especially concerned about a cat suffering from liver failure (yellow ears). Craig informed her he does not believe in euthanasia; “I just go around and pick up the dead bodies.” |
On Mon. 11/30, I called Madison County Animal Control, which consists of 1 person–Jamie Willoughby. He confirmed my worst fears, and then some. He visited Caboodle about 12 times in the last year, I believe. He seemed very caring, and expressed numerous concerns.
Animal Control had tested some of the cats and found 7 to 8 different diseases, including Giardia. Mr. Willoughby added that women, from all over, pay Craig to take their house-cats that have never been outside, and never subjected to disease. They’re dead in no time. He said, “ Caboodle is a black spot on our county.” He believes Craig has about 125 cats, but added that Craig claims he has over 300, for publicity purposes.
In an e-mail to Nannette, I demanded my cat back. They took our money, and lost our cat within 24 hours! This is totally irresponsible and fraudulent . If we hadn’t gone back, would we ever know that Emma never received the inoculations we paid for, went missing almost immediately, and may have been killed within hours of our departure?
Nannette, as the contact person, was just as liable as Craig. I questioned how they can continue to accept healthy house cats, charge people for the placement, then put them together with so many diseased cats, only to have them become ill and die?
She immediately threatened me with false accusations, and provided the name of her lawyer, Ann Shorstein in Jacksonville, FL. She stated that Ann teaches Animal Law at a FL University, and does pro bono work for Caboodle. She added their lawyer said I need to come for my cat on Fri. 12/4. Yes!!!
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | PART L My gut feelings told me NOT to leave our cats, but my brain took much longer to decipher the input. My husband and I discussed the red flags on our trip home. We e-mailed Nannette immediately. She could keep the money; we just wanted our cats back. She said we could come for them, but Craig would not be available.; he’d leave the gate unlocked. |
We went back the very next day, Sun. 11/29. Evan, terrified, was hiding in a dog house. Emma was gone. There were several other cats in this “isolation” pen—some tame; others were feral and fought viciously. So much for isolation!
It was a dog pen, and some cats kept getting their heads stuck in the large chain links, as they tried to escape. My husband had to free one’s head before it hung itself. The pen had no bottom. There was a large hole that looked like it was dug from the outside-in. I learned later, Caboodle has a coyote problem.
There was no one in sight, so we walked around the property, calling Emma’s name. She often jumped on our bed with us, but she never let us touch her. I doubt she’d come to us now. The sickness and other conditions we observed were deplorable. Kittens, and healthy cats intermingled with the sick ones. It was evident that some males were unaltered, and a mother cat nursed 2 kittens. Food was available; several large bags were torn open on the ground. Some cats were just too sick to eat.
My husband tried to call Craig several times—no answer. I noticed a name on a carrier. I believed it was “Nannette,” and memorized the phone number. I called her on the way home, and began voicing my concerns, but it was the wrong person—her name was “Annette”. She too, traps and neuters, and paid Craig to take 2 cats just 1 week earlier. She too, had reservations about leaving her cats there. Craig requested that she bring ALL her strays—at a price, of course. Our lengthy discussion validated each other’s concerns.
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | PART K We tried every suggestion, yet Evan refuses to use a litter pan. It’s getting harder to get the smell out. My husband found Caboodle Ranch on the internet. It looked wonderful. We decided to take Evan and Emma there. Emma loves to climb and explore. Not only would it be a great place for her, but Evan would have a familiar friend. |
All placements are handled by Nannette via e-mail kastlekats@yahoo.com Craig rarely answers the phone. Cats are to be fixed, and vaccinated (rabies and distemper) before they arrive. Leukemia shots are NOT required. STUPID ME–it never crossed my mind to do this before taking them; they never went out.
We made arrangements and drove 215 miles (each way)–from Davenport to Lee, on Sat. 11/28. In addition to the $200.00 per cat, Craig asked for an extra $60.00 to cover leukemia shots. Without hesitation, we paid. We want the best for our cats. We also supplied Revolution packets. Craig agreed to isolate Evan and Emma until the shots took effect; he placed them in a large pen.
Walking out, I noticed several sick cats (bad upper-respiratory); bony ones as well. My husband was focused on the positive aspects—the trees, the houses, tree-houses, fountains, freedom, etc. When I voiced my concerns about a cat who had thick green fluid, Craig became very defensive. He said his vet, Dr. Lewis, was there earlier that day; the cats were on meds and “recovering.” I began second-guessing myself. Am I too critical?
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | PART J Ann’s Story: |
December 7, 2009
If you visited a factory farm or puppy mill, you’d expect to see animals suffering horribly. You wouldn’t expect this at a cat rescue, where caring people pay money to place pets they can’t keep, and where ferals are given a second chance.
The rescue is called Caboodle Ranch, 711 S. E. Benchmark Drive, Lee, FL. Check out their website! You’ll see carefree cats on wooded acreage, where colorful pet-houses line the path, providing adequate shelter for all. Food is available 24/7; medical care as needed. There’s a fee of 100-200 dollars per cat, depending on how many you bring. The caretaker, Craig Grant, gives discounts if you bring multiples. The more, the better!
My husband Larry works as a traveling physical therapy assistant, and we live in a motorhome. We had no pets when we chose this lifestyle. Over the last few years, we traveled through numerous states, and lived at several MH parks. Feral cats are a given at almost every park. As vegan animal lovers, we chose to make a difference. We attended a Trap/Neuter/Release Program near San Antonio, TX 2 years ago. We spend our own money, and work hard to trap, neuter and vaccinate as many cats as we can.
For various reasons, some cats can’t be released. We now share our MH with 10 cats; 2 were abandoned pets. Ernie was emaciated and had only patches of fur; he had a broken jaw and was unable to eat or groom. He’s now a beautiful long-haired black cat. Ella was left behind by the previous tenant and took up residence under our MH, so we brought her inside. 8 of our cats were once feral. They’ve been with us over a year. Some sleep with us; others like Emma, accept us, but prefer not to be touched.
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | PART I All the cats were surrounded by gnats and are flea bitten. Many of the cats were either sneezing, coughing and had runny eyes and noses and since they all eat and drink out of the same places, whatever illness they have they pass to each other. |
Some of them are frightened and just run away, but others crawl up your legs just begging for affection. So in spite of it all, we still managed to pick a few up and hugged them and heard them purr.
Thankfully we brought a change of clothes with us because I was fearful maybe one or two of them may have been sick and I insisted we change our clothes before coming home to our own cats. We stopped at the gas station right down the road and did a total scrub down and with anti-bacterial soap and changed our clothes. We were so upset we barely spoke all the way home.
We also met another couple there and chatted with them. It had been their 3rd time to the Ranch and they are disgusted too and have been in touch with you to have something done as well. They have gone back to see if anything has changed and instead of it getting better, they said it’s getting worse. My brother in law called earlier this week and was told he would receive a call back. This has not happened as of yet.
Unfortunately we did leave monetary donations with the owner, Craig, who afterwards told us he spent $5000.00 in legal fees the week before to keep the place open. I’m sorry I left him money and wished I had brought food other supplies for the cats. He’s probably using the donations he gets for legal fees and not the cats!
THE PLACE NEEDS TO BE CLOSED DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | PART H Joseph’s Story: |
Hello,
I live is St Petersburg, Fl, which is an approximate 4 hour drive one way to your area. I had heard about Caboodle Ranch back in July, but waited till the weather cooled to spend a wonderful few hours with the beautiful cats and the surroundings that I saw on the Caboodle Ranch website.
My sister, brother-in-law and myself drove to the Caboodle Ranch this past Saturday, 11-13. Between us we have 6 cats and are just all around animal lovers. The 8 hour round trip was not an obstacle for us due to what we thought we’d find.
We were expecting to spend 2 glorious hours of loving, hugging, and playing with all the cats and kittens, but due to the heartbreaking things and creatures we saw, we didn’t spend more than 1/2 hour there. The situation is horrendous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’ve no doubt you have already received several horror stories about what is actually taking place there, but I just can’t sit back and not speak my mind in hopes something will be done to stop the cruelty that is going on.
We only saw about 100 cats and out of them at least 75 looked sick. Many just skin and bones. Some missing eyes. Many missing patches of fur. One missing a leg, which must have been recently amputated, and the entire area where the healing was taking place was entirely covered in tiny bugs of some kind.
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | PART G We knew that we had to somehow get our little feral cats we had trying to save back but what of all the rest the poor animal also there and for the untold others still to come. What of the poor dying old ladies who mistakenly send their beloved house cats there along with generous donations before they enter elderly care facilities and hospice. |
This story is a real tragedy of massive hording and perhaps one even more sinister still of human greed at the expense of animal abuse!
This story goes on and on but I will tell you this, my wife in particular as well as I have suffered so from the terrible mistake we feel we unwittingly made, interfering with poor innocent animals lives and delivering them to their death in a diseased concentration compound, where they are hunted daily by predators, shot by neighbors and run over on the highway. If you can, please help the unfortunate animals that are there now. These poor creatures needed someone’s help somehow
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | PART F Upon our arrival to the Caboodle Ranch we were met with a sight of true shock and horror with what we found. In that there were no care takers on the premises, we waited outside their locked gate which was posted “Private Property – No Trespassing.” We called the proprietor, Craig and waited for his arrival. While we waited, dozens of cats outside the facility approached us, many of them were dying and in a starvation mode, most of them were severely infected with upper-respiratory infection, eye disease and open wounds upon their skin and walking with tilted heads due to their ear infections. It was a sight difficult for the mind to truly immediately understand. |
Foolishly when Craig arrived and let us in, we brought the 2 new cats we had recently saved to Craig’s holding pen. Looking for the 4-cats that had previously been brought only less than 2-weeks earlier, they were nowhere to be found. Apparently his so called holding period was just another story made up to sound good in their sales pitch. Note, we returned 3-times total in the hopes of find the cats we left there and they are nowhere to be found, as well as many of the cats we saw on the first and second trip, also nowhere to be found any longer.
On that first day as we walked the premises, we saw kittens and cats after cats with missing eyes lost due to severe infection, cats with torn tails still raw from recently being torn by some predator, cats which were being eating alive be mosquitos, nats and flies as they lay dying, cats with tilted heads due to lost equilibrium due to infection and on and on. We tried to provide some care to a few baby kittens by cleaning their infected eyes , only to find their eye-ball was no longer there and all that remained was infection and puss. We felt completely helpless at what we saw.
As we left on our drive home my wife openly cried and as a man I will admit, so did I. Then the realization set in that what we had witnessed that day was an animal concentration compound, like something out of a horror show.
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | PART E Alfonso’s Story: |
My name is Alfonso. I am a financial professional and an business executive. My wife and I both volunteer our time in Animal Rescue for our local community. In these efforts, we were looking for a home for feral cats we have been rescuing, which is how we became familiar with the Caboodle Ranch. I would say that we have had the misfortune of finding them but that would be an understatement.
The true misfortune and tragedy was for the 4 feral cats we had intended to rescue but instead mistakenly delivered them into caboodle’s supposed care and most probably to their deaths. Our story is a very sad story of people who were honestly trying to do something good for some poor, unfortunate creatures and who instead have been misled and deceived in believing the cats would be cared for but instead, they have most probably have been delivered to a cruel and agonizing death.
Things went wrong from the day the rescued animals were brought to the Caboodle Ranch. We did not deliver the first group of cats to Caboodle ourselves but instead they were brought up by another Animal Rescue Volunteer who was handling the delivery to the Ranch, which is over 4-hours’ drive away. At our groups own personal expense, we had made sure that each rescued cat had received proper veterinarian care before delivering them, complete with their medical records to the Ranch. Right away we were told that Craig was not interested in their medical records, in hind sight this was a massive red flag.
We were also told that they would be kept segregated from the general population for at least 3-weeks or until Craig could at least pet them. This would insure that they could receive care, should they need it (this turned out to be just another fairytale). In less than 2-weeks we needed to deliver 2-more feral which were part of the same community/family, so we rushed to deliver them in the hopes that they could be reunited with their family already there to help them in their transition to their new home and environment.
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | PART D I think it is very sad to say that these cats are not cared for properly other than if they stay on the property they do have a place they can be. Do coyotes come in, I would have to say most definitely. Can I prove it? Other than telling you they have completely and consistently lied about the numbers. Is that enough proof? How about the neighbors consider it a coyote feeding ground. Is that enough proof? When does it become enough proof? Are the trailers filthy, beyond anything humane, absolutely without a doubt. Proof? In the pictures taken and all of the witnesses with no reason to lie about it! |
Is there a lot of disease. Yes there is and this does not include the ones that don’t even come in near enough for help or wander off so ill. Anyone who has been there has seen too much of this. I have a nightmare list of things that I slowly witnessed. I feel helpless. There must be someone with the authority to determine this place is unsafe! How can one cat surviving 6 dying be okay? I would conservatively estimate that there has had to be 100′s of them come through there. Absolutely no records or ways to count heads. Absolutely no safe haven or protection. Absolutely no discipline for losing cats. No accounting for actions. I have known of so many kittens that have died horribly there.
There is only one conclusion, animal abuse.
I can not forgive myself for what I have done to my babies.
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | PART C So what do I think or know, now? I know that this man told me every day for 12 days that my babies were safe, fine, eating and good but when I got there two had magically vanished. I received no explanation because he had just seen them that morning. Plus, when I have said things to Craig, he gets mad. I am not lying, or deceiving or talking badly here. I am just telling the truth. It hurts for me to tell the truth. |
In fact Craig told me I am the only person who has EVER called to check on their cats after dropping them and who has ever wanted their cats back in all the years he has been out there. I have called him probably 250 times out of 300 days for example. What more can I do. I cry every day and night and I suffer with guilt and shame and miss them every second of my life. It is nearly 8 months and I just want to die so I guess saying all of this and telling the truth does not matter any way. I will never, ever see my loves again. What do I think happened to them from what I fear could have? This part hurts too because I did not think first.
Coyotes ate them, disease got them, fear and hiding and starvation, ran out to road and got run over, snake bite, killed by another cat, I mean, you tell me. I may not have known CR but I know my babies and I really believe they are gone forever. Coyotes, yes Craig told me they are there. Snakes, yes, Craig told me they are there. Are cats there sick or sad, or starving, or needing medical care, or cold or hot, or dying or dead? Yes an you can bet everything you have that I would have never taken them there if I knew what I know now. Just know, these sweet beautiful creatures are living in the woods amongst so many things they can not fight or speak up about.
If you can you should go there and try to talk to Craig yourself. But whatever you do, don’t ask questions. Don’t make suggestions to help, don’t show fear or negativity or be upset by anything you may end up seeing. People may think they can just go out there and fix it but he won’t allow it. The cats can not be adopted and there are cats there dying to go home with you. More visitors who would take them home and love them would be a very helpful gesture but this is not allowed.
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | PART B 12 days later when I went back after calling Craig about 3 times a day, 2 of my babies were gone. My girl, Tinkerbell was so depressed looking. She was in the far kennel and she actually scratched me when I pulled her out of a carrier she sat in up on a shelf, surrounded by approximately 8 cats, maybe more, they were all black and hissing. I guessed they were feral. There was also another huge cat that flipped out and clung all spread out to the cage wall, simply yowling. Craig’s response to my shock was that he had no idea where they were and that he saw them that morning, and get this, to come out of there because I was upsetting the cats. He left me up there and I took her back into my arms. |
I made a second huge mistake and left my precious Tinkerbell girl down at the base camp that day. I was so very confused and I believe in shock and this decision tore me up but I swear at the time it is just the way it was. I was just so scared for my other two babies that I thought they needed her, and they would find one another and I would come back and get all 3 when they started to hang around the base camp.
I have made 10 trips now and I never saw one of them again. Now here is the truth. I talked to Craig many times before I took them there and he said I should try to keep them because he could tell how much I loved them but he also said he would take them if I chose that because being allergic would only get worse for me as I aged. Allergies were why I never had a pet in my adult life, though I did save cats and find them homes over the years. These particular 3 cats just came to me, showing up probably just left behind. I will never know where they came from but my two girls were already spayed and they were all at least 2-2 1/2 years old at that time. I had them for about 26 months and loved them with all of my heart. I had to get my Romeo boy neutered and he turned into the most exquisite baby in the world.
I told Craig around my 7th trip that if I had come out there 1 or 2 more times first, I would have never left them there. I have told Craig he needs a lot more help there. I have confirmation that there are Coyotes everywhere there. Yes, one confirmation is from Craig. I was not happy to say these things because I knew in doing so it would cause cause my being able to ever go there again to cease. But, honestly, my life if over. I will never be happy again. Not one of them on one of those trips, have ever come to my voice or whistles.
| Dec 15, 2010 Rating | PART A THESE HORROR STORIES CONCERN A SUPPOSED “CAT SANCTUARY” IN LEE, FLORIDA….IT IS ANYTHING BUT! THE CATS ROAM ALL OVER THE AREA AND COYOTES ARE A HUGE PROBLEM, SITED BY NEIGHBORS, ETC. WE FEEL CATS ARE BEING SLAUGHTERED BY THEM AND SUFFERING AT THE HANDS OF THIS MAN, CRAIG GRANT, A SINGLE PERSON RUNNING IT. PLEASE HELP! IT NEEDS A SERIOUS INVESTIGATION, BUT THE POLICE AND ANIMAL CONTROL, ALSO |
Pamela Jonasson(904) 343-3337
MY STORY:
I did not want to come forward with my story because it means the end for me and I will never be able to look for them again after this, but I just have to speak out.
I feel that I can say that I got to know Craig very well and have been out to CR many times now. I checked it out the first time when I was only considering bringing my 3 babies there in March 2010. I had blinders on because of severe depression at the time. I decided after one trip to bring my 3 babies out on Easter Sunday, April 4th. I gave Craig a $500.00 donation and was assured by him and his volunteer, someone at the time who was helping on weekends in hopes of relinquishing her 30 cats to him as she had lost her job and was losing her home, that my babies would be fine and held in a kennel for 4-6 weeks. Of course I did not love this, but those are the rules. I can see how that sounds crazy since I left them there, but I had no choice at the time, or at the very least, felt I did not. He stopped talking with that volunteer too.
| Dec 14, 2010 Rating | we are doing what we can…… we are doing what we can to stop the airing of CR on Colbert…I guess we will see what happens. |
Nobody going out there can know the truth in a few hours. We, some of us thought it was ok at first too. But then, seeing so much sadness. It really saddens me.
| Dec 14, 2010 Rating | Colbert Report The Caboodle Ranch will air on The Colbert Report, on the Comedy Channel, this Thursday, Dec 16th, at 11:30 pm. |
| Dec 14, 2010 Rating | LMFAO That would be correct, I was not involved BUT since you want to bring me up, Riddle me this….How does one go from being a Chiropractor to a message therapist? Isn’t that like going from being a police officer to a school crossing guard? |
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=805723 LMFAO Dr. Pam…. I wonder if your clients and state board realize you’re a fraud.
I also seen where you tried to pawn off Your cats on Craigs List……Way to really care about where they go.
Lol as I said with you aboard the anti-caboodle campaign it will fail.
| Dec 14, 2010 Rating | don’t blame Destiny Don’t blame her. She had nothing to do with that post. You actually have quite a few people on here that are sick of your “I can dish out the BS on other people, but can’t take it if you do it to me” attitude. She always signs her name. BTW, why do you keep changing your FB page name? If your name is really Jonasson, why do you go by Johnson? Who is Maria? or Pat Jo? I’m just curious… |
| Dec 14, 2010 Rating | DESTINY/ WHITE TRASH ty Susan for trying to step into this litter box with this cow Destiny. She is just disgusting! |
for destiny white trash:
DRAPING OPTIONAL IS EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS BITCH…IT IS OPTIONAL IN MY STATE FOR A CLIENT TO BE DRAPED TO ‘THEIR’ LEVEL OF COMFORT, YOU IGNORANT PIECE OF WHITE TRASH.
| Dec 14, 2010 Rating | DESTINY/ WHITE TRASH ty Susan for trying to step into this litter box with this cow Destiny. She is just disgusting! |
for destiny white trash:
DRAPING OPTIONAL IS EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS BITCH…IT IS OPTIONAL IN MY STATE FOR A CLIENT TO BE DRAPED TO ‘THEIR’ LEVEL OF COMFORT, YOU IGNORANT PIECE OF WHITE TRASH.
| Dec 13, 2010 Rating | Too late Sorry Susan. It’s a little too late for that. 😉 I have a better idea. Let’s all keep our opinions to ourselves and let the lawyers hash this out. Both sides seem to be represented by legal counsel. They are the only ones who are going to make anything happen. What we post on this board really has no effect on the outcome. |
| Dec 13, 2010 Rating | Please lets act like adults Come on people stick to the topic! I feel like I stepped into grade school. Let’s quite bashing everyone and stick to the topic at hand which is the safety and welfare of the cats at Caboodle Ranch. |
| Dec 13, 2010 Rating | OMG!!! Hahaha! I did the search on google, too. What is a “draping optional” massage? What other services do you provide? This is hilarious. |
| Dec 13, 2010 Rating | i will sue you, screw destiny, she is screwing herself. fyi yes i can find out very easily who posted but will not divulge they how of this to you. |
and that ad does not exist. i have never even heard of the site. my ad was not there. someone collected info from my many posts about this hell hole called caboodle ranch where cats are a coyote’e regular meal, and put that here to pull some kind of negative result.
i don’t know how they pulled it off but it does not exist.
| Dec 13, 2010 Rating | calling all volunteers trying to keep my number on top for those of you wishing to come forward in shutting down Caboodle Ranch: |
WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 19 PEOPLE NOW. EVEN THOUGH EACH AND EVERYONE OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE EXPERIENCED HELL AND LET GRANT AND HIS HELPER NANETTE KNOW HOW UPSET THEY WERE, NOTHING WAS EVER RESOLVED.
(Also please note that somebody has created an ad putting a lot of my personal information in it and is posting it. i did not write this ad. i went to the site and have never even heard of them and was unable to pull up this post)
BUT IT BRINGS ME TO AN IMPORTANT POINT…IF YOU HAVE EVER VOLUNTEERED AT CABOODLE RANCH AND HAVE SEEN THINGS PLEASE CALL. YOU DID NOT HAVE TO LOSE YOUR CAT THERE.
904-343-3337
ty!
| Dec 13, 2010 Rating | AGAIN… someone wrote that ad up and posted it at a site i never heard of and when i try to go there it is not available so they must have done it and pulled it right away so it can not be tied to them but i will find out who they are. |
please call with any caboodle ranch horror stories or experiences.
tks again!
904-343-3337
| Dec 13, 2010 Rating | PLEASE DON’T WAIT TO CALL! trying to keep my number on top for those of you wishing to come forward in shutting down Caboodle Ranch: |
WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 19 PEOPLE NOW. EVEN THOUGH EACH AND EVERYONE OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE EXPERIENCED HELL AND LET GRANT AND HIS HELPER NANETTE KNOW HOW UPSET THEY WERE, NOTHING WAS EVER RESOLVED.
(Also please note that somebody has created an ad putting a lot of my personal information in it and is posting it. i did not write this ad. i went to the site and have never even heard of them.)
THIS BRINGS ME TO AN IMPORTANT POINT…IF YOU HAVE EVER VOLUNTEERED AT CABOODLE RANCH AND HAVE SEEN THINGS PLEASE CALL. YOU DID NOT HAVE TO LOSE YOUR CAT THERE.
904-343-3337
ty!
| Dec 13, 2010 Rating | Sue? lmfao You will sue anonymous for doing a google search on the phone number in the post titled “Law suit is underway”? And you will get a restraining order against Destiny for calling someone a nut on an internet board? TOO hysterical! |
| Dec 13, 2010 Rating | YOU WILL PAY i can not find what you just posted with my phone number but i will contact Elysa and find out who you are. you will pay. |
| Dec 13, 2010 Rating | I AM GOING TO SUE YOU hmmmm interesting… |
i did not write that or post it.
maybe you did this? let me just find out who you are. i will sue you!
| Dec 13, 2010 Rating | Deleted This comment has been removed by Admin. |
| Dec 13, 2010 Rating | LAW SUIT IS UNDERWAY please everyone, |
you can not know how important this is.
i have 16 people now with full blown stories to shut this man down.
the attorney needs to know we are all on board for shutting this man down. if you are reading this and have not come forward you simply must do it now.
You must be someone and your witnesses are important too, who has visited Caboodle Ranch. No hearsay, conjecture or speculation.
please, please call me at 904-343-3337 thank you
| Dec 13, 2010 Rating | THANKS ANONYMOUS I am so heart broken. Thanks for posting the description of A Livig Hell with accuracy.My nightmares will never go away until we can actually go change for the lives of cats in Caboodle Ranch for the better. Hell is hell but this place in particular masking as a sanctuary is just one unforgiveable reason to those who have their hands in this atrocities.I am sure people like us will stay on this case and help as much as a good human being would. I only wish the sheriff and animal control at Madison County possess clear enough heads to see the cruelty which has been going on long enough with the agonies and lives of unaccountable number of house cats, kittens and feral cats. |
| Dec 13, 2010 Rating | They dumber with each post Call away. They already know who I am and by all means defiantly let them know we are there, Thank you. Also please follow every post I make, perhaps then you may get some sort of education on the AR movement. You wont be the first stalker I have dealt with. I will tell you the same thing I told the last fool that made a “threat” You know how to get me your information, by all means do so, no need to keep it online, I will send a cab to pick you up and bring you to me too, So follow through on your threat or stfu. |
As far as caring about Pam, I really could careless, Lol because I respond to post she made on open forums leads you to believe I care? Lmfao, if I was insane or a “stalker” I perhaps would have made some of the comments you did, But yes tell her to get a “restraining order” I would love to see how well that goes. “hello state attorney I need a order of protection (that is what the legal term is fyi) against destiny who says online that I am a nut”
Just because you may not have liked what I seen there on the day I was there doesn’t mean a damn thing to me. The only people who screwed anything up is the people who claimed to witness cruelty yet failed to do shit about it. Since I have not spoke to you directly, you in fact have no clue what was actually done when I was there, so continue rambling away with hearsay and not facts.
With people like this on the anti-caboodle campaign no wonder it is a failure.
If you want me to go away stop bringing me up, I am only here because my name was mentioned. Get it? Got it? Good!
| Dec 13, 2010 Rating | DESTINY For DESTINY, is that your name? I personally have no intentions of “detaching” myself from anyone here telling the truth about this Cat HELL. |
I too suggest you just disappear, which I imagine might be difficult for someone with your mental disorders. You seem to have an obsession with “Pamela”. I am suggesting to Pamela here that she get a restraining order against you.
ANY time I see you are reporting people for animal abuse after you botched doing anything about the animal that runs caboodle ranch, I am going to report every single post I see you make to the local AUTHORITIES to watch out for you AND LET THEM KNOW YOU MAY BE VIOLENT. No wonder, you let Grant off the hook so easily, birds of a feather……
I will be starting with my first call today on the cattle issue you have drummed up in LEE, FLORIDA. We will see how far a “co-administrator” gets from there.
I will also be giving your name and associates names to the attorney on the case ag. CR and a copy of that 5 star report you spread on the internet about caboodle ranch being perfectly run while you were interrogated by the local police in front of the hoarder. You are one hell of a joke.
| Dec 13, 2010 Rating | A LIVING HELL PART 2 There is nothing safe, haven like, shelter like, heavenly, or where cats aren’t treated like animals, for any of the poor cats that end up there. They will be exposed to a huge number of diseases instantly upon their arrival. They will die of heat in the horrid summer and freeze in the winter. Do not forget, there are only so many “little houses” there and a lot of the cats DO NOT LIKE USING THEM plus they claim to have over 600 cats which is another HUGE LIE as there is no way to keep track of any of them. No head counts are possible. Very shady, pick and choose vet care a couple of times a year from a local vet who probably makes a fortune from this loser of a hoarder. For example, he just had a thin sickly cat’s forelimb cut off. |
One of the most disturbing things I have ever discussed with other people is the cats that come in and are held up in the dark in large dirty kennels heated in the winter with kerosene or gasoline burners and how they try to get out by pushing their heads through the cage fencing and getting caught and or you might see digging that looks like something got in. Can you just imagine the fear for these animals held under those conditions.
The following information has been passed on from the date of Monday 11/30/2009:
A woman called Madison County Animal Control, which consists of 1 person, a Jamie Willoughby who confirmed he visited Caboodle about 12 times in that last year. He seemed very caring, and expressed numerous concerns. He had tested some of the cats and found 7 to 8 different diseases, including Giardia. He added that women, from all over, pay Craig to take their house cats that have never been outside, and never subjected to disease. They’re dead in no time. He said, “ Caboodle is a black spot on our county.” He believes Craig has about 125 cats, but added that Craig claims he has over 300, for publicity purposes. I know for a FACT that Grant has had hundreds brought through there. Ironically, Grant says animal control brings him cats ALL THE TIME!.
It is all just enough to rip a hole right through your heart. But to go there and see your cat(s) missing, truly gone and to find yourself in the middle of these woods just spinning around and calling for them and then breaking down into tears because you know, since you have done this many times already before they will not be showing up and you will soon have to leave the property is nothing less than a living hell.
| Dec 13, 2010 Rating | A LIVING HELL I can not describe what it is like at this caboodle ranch. You have to experience it to even begin to understand. |
When you return after having brought a cat there, and you discover that the cat is missing from where it was being held, a large dog kennel out in the back of the woods with no electricity, and the likelihood that a predator may have even dug itself into the kennel of a bunch of mixed up cats, complete strangers to one another, from god only knows where, you simply want to die right there.
It does not seem to matter when you return. A day, a week or two, it just won’t matter. Your cat or cats will be missing from where they were to be held, for 4-6 weeks. IF your cat is there, it is probably already experiencing upper resp. problems to some degree depending on it’s health.
This is a horrible, horrible place. Simply set up in the woods with old and filthy trailers that are never clean. And mind you, that is all that needs to be cleaned! It is not like a huge structure that would take hours to do. The condition however of these trailers would take hours to clean because it is so vile.
A lot of the cats there go missing. You may never see the ones you saw several times before again. It is a highly likely outcome. There is no protection of the cats there. A fence that any animal can get around, into, under, over however you want to say it is evident. Just go look at it.
Hundreds upon hundreds of cats have been brought there or picked up by this man Craig Grant. There are witnesses to his behavioral problems, his attitude problems and his hoarding problems. He has ALSO managed to acquire 30 ACRES of land and uses only about 5 for the cats. He should have acquired about 10 and used the rest of the cash for the safety of the cats making sure they were secure and happy before he ever started this bullshit nonprofit joke of a business. His web site is nothing but complete and utter bullshit.
| Dec 12, 2010 Rating | Enough already That last post is just uncalled for. I wouldn’t use language like that toward my worst enemy. How completely and utterly without class. This thread has dipped so low that I don’t think it can be salvaged. I’m out. Goodnight and good luck. |
Note: Michael (Admin) has deleted the comment referred to.
| Dec 12, 2010 Rating | No F Words Please Response to last comment – no F words please even if they are bleeped-out. |
I cannot accept bad language. Arguments can be strong but must not be rude and crude.
Anymore comments like that will be edited or deleted – sorry. Continuation beyond that will result in deletion and banning.
| Dec 12, 2010 Rating | Jennifer A. Dietz, Esq. PLEASE ADVISE AS MANY CAT LOVERS AS POSSIBLE |
My attorney is setting up a defense fund for the cats at Caboodle Ranch.
…
Please let people know that they can contribute if they wish.
Send contributions (payable) to:
Jennifer A. Dietz, Esq. / Attorney-at-Law
3225 South MacDill Ave. #129-297
Tampa, Florida 33629
813-789-8029
Please indicate checks are for the “CABOODLE CATS DEFENSE FUND”
ty,
GaryLConley@embarqmail.com
| Dec 12, 2010 Rating | Lols Yes not hard to tell, |
Posts start off with some sort of ramblings about her babies and how it is Craigs fault she couldn’t care for them.
Then that leads into a Caps lock sentence, usually full of cursing like a substance abuser with terret syndrome.
That is usually followed by something that is copy and pasted that adds absolutely nothing relevant.
In there somewhere is usually an attempted insult to me or other NIO people and something about a lawyer. See all the examples below.
For those of you who really think there is an issue there, detach yourself from this person if you want to be taken seriously.
| Dec 12, 2010 Rating | sure I don’t have to “guess who stupid.” I already know. I agree with Destiny. EPIC FAIL!!! BTW, if you were really working with a lawyer, the first thing she would tell you is to STFU. She would not wanting you telling everyone what her strategy is. Not to mention how it was made to look like she was the author of one of the posts. She isn’t going to like that….. |
| Dec 12, 2010 Rating | for destiny hey destiny you floundering fool, |
i never misspell my words.
guess who stupid.
| Dec 12, 2010 Rating | here’s a good one people ON CRAIG GRANT IN HIS OWN WORDS: |
His love affair with cats began when his son moved out of the condo they were renting. His son couldn’t take his cat, Pepper, with him. Grant said he didn’t even really like cats then. But he and Pepper bonded. Pepper had a litter of kittens.
SO HIS LOW LIFE SON COULD NOT TAKE HIS “PREGNANT CAT” THUS NOT ONLY ABANDONING IT WITH A FATHER THAT HATED CATS BUT ALLOWING IT TO GET PREGNANT!!! MEANING NO SPAYING. THIS PIECE OF GARBAGE STARTED THIS WHOLE MESS WHEN HE THOUGHT HIS CRAZY FATHER COULD HANDLE THIS!!!
Grant loved them all and started looking for another place to live since his family kept growing. By the time he moved to the ranch in 2003 he had 11 cats, which he’d found abandoned.
SO NOW HE HAS BEGUN COLLECTING CATS THAT HE ALREADY KNEW HE COULD NOT HAVE WHERE HE LIVED! THIS EQUALS HOARDING TO ME.
He says his cats have made him happier than he’s ever been. “They truly are the best friends I’ve ever had.” On his website, he acknowledges the problem of hoarding and says he’s not a hoarder. They get good care, he says.
HIS BEST FRIENDS!? EQUALS HOARDER TO ME. AND OHH, THEY GET GOOD CARE DO THEY! WE HAVE TO TAKE THIS AT HIS WORD DO WE? GO OUT THERE AND VOLUNTEEER FOR A FEW WEEKS AND COME BACK AND TELL US ABOUT THE “GOOD CARE.” YOU WILL ALSO LEARN REALLY FAST WHY HE HAS NO FRINDS.
| Dec 12, 2010 Rating | hoarding continued Animal hoarders are usually well-intentioned and believe they are helping the animals in their care. They often cannot see the situation as it is and have a disconnect from the reality of their pets’ desperate need for basic care and medical attention. Approximately 72% of animal hoarders are women. Cats are the most hoarded animal, followed closely by dogs. |
Many of the hoarders begin on a mission to help animals that somehow gets out of control. Some even pose as rescue groups. As the number of animals in their care increases, they are unable to keep up with the care and veterinary attention needed. Still, they often see themselves as the animals’ savior, even as the pets suffer.
Animal victims of hoarding endure neglect and abuse that includes malnutrition, psychological distress, overcrowding, containment, filth, exposure to the elements, untreated sores, eye and dental diseases, mange, and more.
Signs of hoarding are
an unusually high number of animals
failure to provide basic care such as food, water, cleanliness, medical care necessary for the animals to survive and thrive
failure of the person to recognize his inability to care for the animals or that there is a problem
Animal hoarders display symptoms of delusional disorder in that they have a “belief system out of touch with reality”. Virtually all hoarders lack insight into the extent of deterioration in their habitations and on the health of their animals, refusing to acknowledge that anything is wrong. Further, hoarders may believe they have “a special ability to communicate and/or empathize with animals,” rejecting any offers of assistance. Delusional disorder is an effective model in that it offers an explanation of hoarder’s apparent blindness to the realities of their situations.
Another human health issue caused by animal hoarding is the risk of zoonotic diseases. Defined as “human diseases acquired from or transmitted to any other vertebrate animal,” zoonotic diseases can often be lethal and in all cases constitute a serious public health concern. Examples of well-known zoonotic diseases include bubonic plague, influenza, and rabies. Common domesticated animals constitute a large portion of animals carrying zoonoses, and as a result, humans involved in animal hoarding situations are at particular risk of contracting disease. Zoonoses that may arise in hoarding situations—through means such as dog, cat, or rat bites—include rabies, salmonellosis, catscratch fever, hookworm, and ringworm.
| Dec 12, 2010 Rating | I got ringworm from Caboodle Ranch I got ringworm from Caboodle ranch when I went out there 2 times in one week. It cleared up in a few weeks with tinactin. |
Here is something from the examiner.com on ANIMAL HOARDING. IT IS VERY SAD THAT A MAN WHO BOUGHT 30 ACRES, THAT IS A LOT OF LAND, WITH PEOPLE’S DONATIONS, TO DUMP HUNDREDS MAYBE THOUSANDS OF CATS ONTO A SMALL SECTION OF IT WITH NO REAL PROTECTION BARRIER FROM THE OTHER 25 ACRES COULD HAVE NOT BOUGHT 25 ACRES OF IT AND BUILT IT RIGHT TO PROTECT THE HUNDREDS THAT HAVE DIED AT HIS HANDS.
Animal hoarding is one of the most prevalent forms of animal abuse and neglect, and it’s on the rise. There are 3,000 – 5.000 new cases per year in the U.S. involving 250,000 animals who sometimes suffer for years at the hands of hoarders. Our local south Florida shelters have all received animals taken from hoarders or have assisted in some way with Animal Control Departments in Palm Beach, Broward and Dade counties.
Animal hoarding is an offshoot of the hoarding compulsion in general, wherein people often accumulate so much debris in their homes that they can barely enter them. Both issues are thought to be a form of Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder.
| Dec 12, 2010 Rating | this was my only post here destiny you very sad being KEEP TALKING ABOUT ME AND I WILL SUE YOU FOR SLANDER! |
on waiting to protect my babies
by: Anonymous
This is from a Peta story and I could not resist putting here for those that condemned me for waiting to start complaining about caboodle ranch as I repeatedly went out to try and find my babies. One I did not complain publicly until Ms. Camp came forward after 4 weekends of volunteering and two, I could not find another person on line who had ever said anything.
After Ms. Camp’s story was on the internet and speaking with her and then having Craig Grant make me feel like he wanted to kill me when I entered the property after being blown off to come out and look for my babies,over 7 weeks, I decided after the 7 1/2 months of looking for them out there to be pointless.
It was learning right after that from the neighbors that they feel the place is a coyote feeding ground and more people came forward that in a strange way were all newer incidents and one very old atrocious account (by Ann) about this horrible place that I took my stance.
FROM A PETA STORY:
“The abusive scenario in which Little Horatio and his former guardian were trapped is not uncommon. Tampa Bay Online references a report showing that 71 percent of women who own animals and who enter shelters for abused women say that their abusers had harmed, killed, or threatened their animals.
Studies have shown that up to 40 percent of victimized women have delayed seeking refuge from their abusers for as long as two months because of concerns for their animal companions’ safety.”
I WAS SO WORRIED FOR THEIR SAFETY AND NEVER STOPPED BUT IT TOOK A BRAVE SOUL LIKE CAROLYN AND THE FACING OF REALITY THAT MY BABIES ARE LIKELY DEAD TO LET ME TELL MY STORY.
| Dec 12, 2010 Rating | please, if you can donate TO STOP THIS HELL PLEASE ADVISE AS MANY CAT LOVERS AS POSSIBLE |
My attorney is setting up a defense fund for the cats at Caboodle Ranch.
…
Please let people know that they can contribute if they wish.
Send contributions (payable) to:
Jennifer A. Dietz, Esq. / Attorney-at-Law
3225 South MacDill Ave. #129-297
Tampa, Florida 33629
813-789-8029
Please indicate checks are for the “CABOODLE CATS DEFENSE FUND”
ty,
GaryLConley@embarqmail.com
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| Dec 12, 2010 Rating | to Destiny What the hell is your problem with the complainants of this caboodle ranch. This “Pam” person for example, who you talk about just like you are a stalker, makes me question who exactly you may be. It is your loud mouth with useless dribble that is hurting things. I hope they all sue your fat ass for what you have said about them. |
You are a “new raving lunatic” for us to observe. Nothing you write even makes sense. Are you talking in some secret code here because if you are it is a hell of lot more entertaining than that failed investigation work you did when going out to the caboodle ranch.
And btw, I am someone who receives updates on the attorney’s activities. At this moment, she is writing up an injunction based on 1/2 dozen reasons why the place should be shut down.
The affidavits that will be attached include everyone you have heard come here, including Pam I am sure, and others who we have not let the likes of you know about. The person who retained Jennifer does not plan to stop until they are shut down.
And one more thing, lunatic, you ARE going to see a lot of cats put down. Why???? Because this very incapable man, named Craig Grant has destroyed the perfect lives of cats that unfortunately ended up in his horrible care.
They will be found to have numerous diseases and will not be allowed to be saved. You can blame yourself for that when it happens as you failed in helping close him up and get those animals homed. You are also guilty for acting too late.
| Dec 11, 2010 Rating | Fail yet again isten to your mouth on this page |
By the way Pam if you are going to pretend to be 2 different people, change your typing style and your typos and your consistent need to copy and paste anything and everything you can find.
Hahahaha another Epic failure!
| Dec 11, 2010 Rating | A COYOTE STORY I used to get calls at the animal shelter where I worked, asking if there were effective coyote repellents or if a 6-foot fence was good enough protection for a pet cat. In reality, there is no foolproof way to keep a coyote away from a cat when it’s outdoors at ground level. Cats, not always aware of their peril, wander outside the fortresses set up by their owners. Gates get left open. Screens on porches can tear. And, although I have heard of cats putting up such a fight that the coyote was thwarted, most cats are unsuccessful in defending themselves once attacked. |
But, I’ve never heard of a coyote taking a cat from inside her home. Perhaps that’s one of the many reasons indoor-only cats tend to live twice as long as their indoor/outdoor counterparts.
| Dec 11, 2010 Rating | A COYOTE STORY I used to get calls at the animal shelter where I worked, asking if there were effective coyote repellents or if a 6-foot fence was good enough protection for a pet cat. In reality, there is no foolproof way to keep a coyote away from a cat when it’s outdoors at ground level. Cats, not always aware of their peril, wander outside the fortresses set up by their owners. Gates get left open. Screens on porches can tear. And, although I have heard of cats putting up such a fight that the coyote was thwarted, most cats are unsuccessful in defending themselves once attacked. |
But, I’ve never heard of a coyote taking a cat from inside her home. Perhaps that’s one of the many reasons indoor-only cats tend to live twice as long as their indoor/outdoor counterparts.
| Dec 11, 2010 Rating | Coyote Behavior Homeowners are now more likely to see a coyote or fox than in any other time of our countries existence. These animals are fun to watch and many times welcomed when first found. However, be aware of their presence. |
Coyote are pack hunters. They readily chase and catch deer for food. Small vulnerable pets are no match for a wild coyote or fox. Both cats and dogs are easy prey as well as all the beautiful birds, squirrels and chipmunks around the bird feeder. I
f you are seeing a lot of activity by either animal, be careful. Both carry the rabies virus as well as other disease. Neither is a “dog” which wants to be petted and you should never
feed them intentionally. Because of the damage they do, both fox and coyote need to be controlled in many situations. This can be done with the use of several types of traps and lures.
| Dec 11, 2010 Rating | duh!! The Friends of CR facebook page is FOR **FRIENDS** OF CABOODLE RANCH. No, they will not let you become a “friend.” Would you let someone come on your page an insult you? |
| Dec 11, 2010 Rating | TONJA Thank you for bringing that up..TONJA, I know. They’ve got too much to hide. How suspicious of their dumb actions to cover everything up? They will trip & fall on their owns. Don’t you like that word of Pointed out? “They are about as useful as the used condoms.” I know we do not want to go that low.But I am now doing it with pride and honor.LOL. NIO and these heartless, brainless, just full of shit bitches could stuck their facebooks, reports and comments where the sun don’t shine. Please stay at it. Soon, the real information and truth will surface. I can’t wait. |
| Dec 11, 2010 Rating | RE; NIO AND CR ONLINE HEY ALL! |
THIS NIO SCUM WON’T LET ANYONE POST IF IT IS NOT POSITIVE FOR THE REPORT THEY POSTED FOR CR.
MY NAME IS TONJA AND I CAN NOT EVEN ASK A QUESTION THERE. THEY BANNED MY HUSBAND UNDER HIS NAME TOO!
JUST LIKE CABOODLE RANCH HAS REMOVED ALL POSTING ABILITY. THEY HAVE NOT ACCEPTED ONE NEW FRIEND AS FAR AS WE CAN TELL. WE HAVE HAD PEOPLE TRYING OVER AND OVER.
THIS PLACE NEEDS A “REAL INVESTIGATION!”
TY POC FOR LETTING US GET OUT ALL OF THE IMPORTANT TRUTH!
| Dec 11, 2010 Rating | for NIO “TARDAS” Hey Destiny you fat slut, listen to your mouth on this page, YOUR FUCKING INVESTIGATION AND YOUR MOUTH IS WHY NIO SUCKS. NOBODY GIVES A SHIT ABOUT NIO. WHY DO YOU KEEP DEFENDING YOUR GARBAGE AGAINST SO MANY OR MAYBE A FEW SO MANY PEOPLE WHO DON’T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT WHAT YOU SAY OR DO. READ YOUR OWN TEXT BELOW SCUMBAG……I WOULD NEVER PICK YOUR SIDE. AT LEAST THE OTHER SIDE HAS THE CONCERN FOR THE CATS IN MIND. YOU JUST SUCK WIND. |
SPEW FROM THE UNINTELLIGENT DESTINY….WHAT A FUCKING NICK NAME…GOD HELP THE PEOPLE THAT MEET THIS BITCH!:
“Could you send a spell checker with your next post so I can understand wtf you are trying to say.
No matter how it goes, With people like you involved in the anti-caboodle campaign, it is a guarantee win for CR. With the babbling hate you spew you lose every ounce of creditability you hope to gain. Therefore anyone who truly has the interest of the cats in their are heart will be shit out of luck because of tards like you.”
| Dec 11, 2010 Rating | BLATANT LIES “If a homeless cat could talk, it would probably say, ‘Give me shelter, food, companionship and love, and I will be yours for life!” ~ Susan Easterly Did anyone recognize above line, which was used in the commercial home page of CR? Where are the shelters? Except for those filthy trailers that are no better than concentration camp images of WWII. Food? There are some kibbles laying around for those who are not sick and strong enough to come around, obviously there are more food for coyotes than for the cats (that is the fact). Companionship and love? There is only one fool walking around wrongly believing in his head that he is the savior, how could that be possible for 300- 600 cats as CR often claimed. By one individual? INSULT? You do not have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out! In addition, the fence? Anyone who owns and operates the real outdoor sanctuary can easily assure that it is just a joke, not a predator’s proof fence, let alone coyotes. We have been fooled once, but not anymore. Thank you for creating Caboodle’s Angels group. We are not angry. We have just become impatient. There is a time bomb ticking for the sick little ones who could be helped if it was not for greed and ignorance of some dunces. We must and we will prevail at the end. LONG LIVE LITTLE INNOCENTS. |
| Dec 11, 2010 Rating | Questions? “If a homeless cat could talk, it would probably say, ‘Give me shelter, food, companionship and love, and I will be yours for life!” ~ Susan Easterly Did anyone recognize above line, which was used in the commercial home page of CR? Where are the shelters? Except for those filthy trailers that are no better than concentration camp images of WWII. Food? There are some kibbles laying around for those who are not sick and strong enough to come around, obviously there are more food for coyotes than for the cats (that is the fact). Companionship and love? There is only one fool walking around wrongly believing in his head that he is the savior, how could that be possible for 300- 600 cats as CR often claimed. By one individual? INSULT? You do not have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out! In addition, the fence? Anyone who owns and operates the real outdoor sanctuary can easily assure that it is just a joke, not a predator’s proof fence, let alone coyotes. We have been fooled once, but not anymore. Thank you for creating Caboodle’s Angels group. We are not angry. We have just become impatient. There is a time bomb ticking for the sick little ones who could be helped if it was not for greed and ignorance of some dunces. We must and we will prevail at the end. LONG LIVE LITTLE INNOCENTS. |
| Dec 11, 2010 Rating | on waiting to protect my babies This is from a Peta story and I could not resist putting here for those that condemned me for waiting to start complaining about caboodle ranch as I repeatedly went out to try and find my babies. One I did not complain publicly until Ms. Camp came forward after 4 weekends of volunteering and two, I could not find another person on line who had ever said anything. |
After Ms. Camp’s story was on the internet and speaking with her and then having Craig Grant make me feel like he wanted to kill me when I entered the property after being blown off to come out and look for my babies,over 7 weeks, I decided after the 7 1/2 months of looking for them out there to be pointless.
It was learning right after that from the neighbors that they feel the place is a coyote feeding ground and more people came forward that in a strange way were all newer incidents and one very old atrocious account (by Ann) about this horrible place that I took my stance.
FROM A PETA STORY:
“The abusive scenario in which Little Horatio and his former guardian were trapped is not uncommon. Tampa Bay Online references a report showing that 71 percent of women who own animals and who enter shelters for abused women say that their abusers had harmed, killed, or threatened their animals.
Studies have shown that up to 40 percent of victimized women have delayed seeking refuge from their abusers for as long as two months because of concerns for their animal companions’ safety.”
I WAS SO WORRIED FOR THEIR SAFETY AND NEVER STOPPED BUT IT TOOK A BRAVE SOUL LIKE CAROLYN AND THE FACING OF REALITY THAT MY BABIES ARE LIKELY DEAD TO LET ME TELL MY STORY.
| Dec 11, 2010 Rating | My SOAP TOO!! Ah ha ha ha, this is my daily soap opera also! I “was” on the side of the CB (bashers lol) and YES Pamela and the insane posts from others drove me away!! Destiny & Lisa you rock. YES, I can read between the lines, and I appreciate what you did. 🙂 |
However, I am no less concerned about the cats at CR and since I live across the country I will at least continue to call the agencies to have my voice heard & be as sure as I can be that someone stays on top of the situation. If it was as bad as claimed, it will surely get out of hand again when their “guard” is down.
In the meantime, carry on! LMAO The one good I can see that comes out of having this “blog” remain active is that (I assume) the POC peeps are getting more traffic=more ad revenue coming in=more donations made by them to further help animals?
| Dec 11, 2010 Rating | Hypocrite! You say, “let’s focus on the animals,” yet all the anti-CR people are doing is spewing hate and venom. YOU need to worry more about the animals and less about whether you find the NIO ladies attractive or not. YOU have dipped so low as to resort to fat jokes. I have never seen Destiny, but I can tell from her work that she is a beautiful, smart, compassionate person. She risked herself to investigate YOUR claims. You still think she didn’t completely investigate? MORONS!!!! |
| Dec 11, 2010 Rating | TO POINTED OUT You are my Guy. You said the truth with real information. Lots of cheers to you. Whoever picking on Pam are not human but scumbags and morons. One thing I’d like to correct is that hooker looking thing with lip injection, She could have been starving in that livelihood before. For nobody will pay her for her service. This thread is for intention of saving for the lives of cats in CR. Anybody who think CR is fine, You do not belong here. You are just pieces of meat. Don’t pick on Carolyn and Pamela and everybody who cares. For all I know they are brave, courageous individuals who have got Big hearts against all hypes and deceits only for the sake of cats under the concentration camp. Can we just focus on saving the cats at CR from now on? We must ignore these nobody but pieces of artificial meat,who means nothing but waste of air. |
| Dec 11, 2010 Rating | where is Pam? I noticed Pamela’s ramblings have disappeared from CA’s FB page? Did y’all finally realize what a liability she is to your cause? Has she been banned from yet another site? Inquiring minds want to know! This is my soap opera. Don’t let me down!!! |
| Dec 11, 2010 Rating | Try harder next time. Could you send a spell checker with your next post so I can understand wtf you are trying to say. |
No matter how it goes, With people like you involved in the anti-caboodle campaign, it is a guarantee win for CR. With the babbling hate you spew you lose every ounce of creditability you hope to gain. Therefore anyone who truly has the interest of the cats in their are heart will be shit out of luck because of tards like you.
For every person you cause to walk away from this “neglect you claim is going on at CR” is one more cat You and you alone killed. Way to go asshat.
An attorney has the case, from what fucking law show did you get information that leads you to believe an attorney goes and investigates shit? If you are in fact stupid enough to believe and send money to an attorney on behalf of the anti-caboodle campaign, a fool and his money are soon parted as they say.
If you knew anything at all about the AR movement you would understand the way it works, apparently you are nothing more then a hate monger online and have actually never done anything AR related in your life.
Now as you seem to be stuck on my weight, not sure how it matters however, odds are my fat ass would want anything to do with you based just on your lack of intelligence. Now you want to come see me, You know how to send me your info, I would be glad to meet up with you. Hell I will even pay for a cab to come get you and bring you to me. Follow up on your threat or stfu.
The truth remains very simple, If there was a problem at CR, it has been corrected. Will there be a problem later, who knows, However because of ramblings such as yours and Pam (assuming you are not the same person) You are causing people to not give a shit. People who have the networks in place in MC are turning against your cause. If you know ANYTHING at all about MC you know public support is needed, continue to fail.
You felt as if you “told off” someone, Lol what little you expect from yourself as you failed at that also.
| Dec 11, 2010 Rating | ……..the obvious Hey Destiny(god forbid), from a man’s point of view, and I would guess anyone else here reading this, you are NOBODY=nothing, do you get it? Nothing you said means anything! |
If you had real guts you would have told that old man whotf you were and whytf you were out there, to investigate his ass.
But you were probably sucking down a double cheeseburger or antsy to go get one and you fucked up. No big deal. Whoever you people imagine you are,you are NOTHING AND NO BODY, no one important, and what ever YOU FEEL about this cat killer means nada!
Now you can stop trying to defend yourself and your fat ass girlfriend and the hooker down in Miami.
You are about as useful as a used condom.
If I were any of these people you have tried to destroy on the internet, who lost cats to this head case, I would find you and pummel you like a heavy weight bag.
For now, take yur bogus ass report and shove it.
There appears to be an animal right’s attorney on the job FOR THE CATS. Unfort. because you & your dyke gf were not women enough to speak up to that piece of shit you have just prolonged the agony bitches.
Aaahhh the ecstasy of tellin’ you off, fat girl!!
| Dec 10, 2010 Rating | Just like I said Just like I said… when you don’t have the facts to back you up, the only thing left to do is throw insults and generally be obnoxious. Nice try “Liberty.” You lose. |
| Dec 10, 2010 Rating | LIBERTY Lol Did I hit a nerve of truth there “Liberty”. |
| Dec 10, 2010 Rating | the lamest thing called destiny Destiny, If you eat less and less fat you will have a better brain. Then you can do your job properly. You are way too useless. You say everything without real fact. You said what other says. Grow up. Do not pretend you are doing something good, in your heart you know you are the biggest and fattest looser.Stop BSting. |
| Dec 10, 2010 Rating | Get your facts right before bringing me up. #2 As far as the money Craig takes in, that was not NIOs concern as we were checking the welfare of the animals not his funds. However if he is taking YOUR responsibility then you should pay him to do so. I have not the time nor the desire to go into what i think of Humans who can dispose of non human animals because they become a “burden” to care for. |
Judge me, call me names do whatever you feel you have to do to sleep at night with choices you have made I could careless. However when it comes to people who put personal agendas against the welfare of animals is where the line should be drawn.
Watch Caboodle Ranch, go volunteer if you care so much, call and make sure it is being watched, get off the computer and go there yourself. Do what it takes to make sure the place continues to run on the right path. If you believe Craig is the issue, then go buy some land and open a cat sanctuary and take the cats off his hands. Work to see that no more cats are dropped off there if you feel he is unable to care for anymore. Throwing around insults and issues that seem to have been addressed is NOT the answer. All I see the anti-Caboodle campaign doing is “he isn’t doing this, he isn’t doing that, he isn’t building this fast enough, this isn’t high enough” Wtf are you doing? Go help him. Hell when you goto the gate of the property cats flock to you, go take them if you think they are so unhappy and mistreated.
Now if you have a desire (provided you are not pam) feel free to contact me, and I will be happy to talk to you. I will be happy to tell you what I seen. I have no interest in this besides the facts, Do I know Craig personally to give a shit about him? No. Do I know anyone else personally to give a shit about them? No. I care for the animals as I have done for Years. I have no reason at this time to think they are in harms hands at caboodle ranch. I hope it stays that way, as unlike Pam I have no desire to see cats euthanized because of yet another humans failure.
| Dec 10, 2010 Rating | Get your facts right before bringing me up. Since I have been mentioned, let me clarify a few things. |
I did indeed investigate the ranch, Did I give a step by step to HOW i got it No, nor will I. As I have stated to publicly admit to being ON the ranch could come at a legal expense. Now with that said, read between and figure out if I actually went on the property. It seems as if Pam and crew are not intelligent enough to figure that out.
On the Date we were there, there was NOTHING to show abuse going on. Again we received the information AFTER HSUS, MCAC and the local vet had been notified. Had perhaps we known when the Alleged abuse was happening (you know when those who claimed to have seen it, yet did nothing) perhaps we would have seen something different. All I can tell you is at the moment, the “ranch” is being cared for. Will that continue, I looked into my crystal ball and was told “how the hell do I know”.
NIO has discredited Pam because of Pam, she is in definite need of some therapy at very least. Anyone who would wants to see cats euthanized and get upset because the complaints she claimed seem to have been taken care of (at least for the moment) has issues, hell volumes. As to her personal insults to me, shows her very mental instability, because I didn’t join her “I hate craig for the choices I made” campaign she choose to resort to grade school insults. Pam get help. Quickly.
Coyotes are they in the area? Yes, If this is the remaining issue, it might be noted that the 100s of residents there (CRs neighbors in fact) ALL have free roaming animals, so perhaps we should attempt to rid the whole damn county of any animal there as anyone who allows an animal to run free in their yard is well neglecting their animal. As I stated before, to have the freedom to move around I am sure is worth the natural risk of wild animals, unless you think caging or euthanizing is a better choice. In that case nothing can be done to make you happy. Anyone with any common since can see where the property is and see the risks they may face BEFORE dropping off a cat.
| Dec 09, 2010 Rating | TO ANN Hello Ann, I do exactly know and feel your experience at CR. I and my husband experienced the same thing if it is not worse.Hopefully we will change the situation of the lives of the cats out there for the better, hopefully sooner. I will not deter. For some sad cats, it is better to help them go and having have to face, fear and desperation every single moment without protection and cares that they need.Please accept my deepest sympathy,Ann. I do wish all of us the best of luck in helping those forgotten little lives. |
| Dec 09, 2010 Rating | Go away Anonymus Everyone who filed complaints against CR and their great concerns are only for the protection and safety of the cats that are being neglected and mistreated. If you do not understand enough, keep your mouth shut and drop dead. Obviously, Ann cares greatly and sees the truth and not being fooled because she got brain and common sense and she is a wonderful caregiver to the abandoned cats. Whoever defending CR are foolish enough to continue leaving the most cats at CR in great danger and the saddest thing is that they are too self-centered and stupid that they do not even know how harmful they are (You are one of them too, anonymous). I am only here for the welfare of the cats at Caboodle Ranch. People running CR are immoral and just greedy money grabbers for their own pockets over the expense of deadly, painful sufferings and total negligence of cats. PERIOD |
| Dec 09, 2010 Rating | there are many There are many of us and we each have each others phone #’s now and email addresses, we don’t have a leader and no one person is speaking for everyone. Anonymous you are nothing in my opinion, you have no real content to add to this blog. You are really just flabbing at the mouth so to speak. Do you have any proof of anything as we do? Do you have proof that what we say is not true? Go get a life ok. |
| Dec 09, 2010 Rating | Ann’s Story This story by Ann was written right after she went there. All these emails I speak of are after the fact. |
Pam posts in the middle of the night, and I’m sure gets a little anxious when people don’t respond write away. Personally, I’m not going to set my alarm to get up in the middle of the night to check FB! We all have email addresses, If she needs something I usually email it. We also talk on the phone. FB is NOT our only means of communication.
Why is it that anyone that comes forward is labeled as a liar?
| Dec 09, 2010 Rating | really? You speak of “all these people” who support you but it doesn’t look like Pamela can get a response from anyone on FB. Doesn’t look like a lot of support to me. Why didn’t “Ann” mention the hundreds of emails in her story. Sounds like when she wrote it for you, she didn’t know who to call. are you still trying to get on the Friends of CR FB page? Funny that comment disappeared. Maybe because it was proof of harassment? |
| Dec 09, 2010 Rating | really? You speak of “all these people” who support you but it doesn’t look like Pamela can get a response from anyone on FB. Doesn’t look like a lot of support to me. Why didn’t “Ann” mention the hundreds of emails in her story. Sounds like when she wrote it for you, she didn’t know who to call. are you still trying to get on the Friends of CR FB page? Funny that comment disappeared. Maybe because it was proof of harassment? |
| Dec 09, 2010 Rating | Ann’s Story I have hundreds of emails that Ann sent out a year ago! To so many organizations it would make your head spin. The only issue these places had for not checking things out were because a lot of the pictures were dark or blurry (she was taking them on the sly with a camera phone). She spent hours and hours on the phone with people, so to say she did nothing is ludicrous. At the time it was just her and eventually she just gave up, so when Carolyn’s story came out she contacted us immediately. |
| Dec 09, 2010 Rating | to Anonymous Ann is for real and I have spoken to her on the phone a while back ago. Does Pam have to know about everyone? Is she a leader or something? And I have no smear campaign, you will see in the end. You my friend, are very blind and not very bright. do you really think all these people would come together to make a smear campaign and for what reason? Give me a break, grow up and send me your email so that when it all hits the fan I can write you and tell you “I told you so”. |
| Dec 09, 2010 Rating | to Anonymous Ann is for real and I have spoken to her on the phone a while back ago. Does Pam have to know about everyone? Is she a leader or something? And I have so smear campaign, you will see in the end. You my friend, are very blind and not very bright. do you really think all these people would come together to make a smear campaign and for what reason? Give me a break, grow up and send me your email so that when it all hits the fan I can write you and tell you “I told you so”. |
| Dec 09, 2010 Rating | ann Ann, So, let me get his right. You saw all these atrocities LAST YEAR. Got no pictures, despite having a camera. Didn’t push the issue except one half-assed comment to a humane society. Only came forward because of Carolyn’s smear campaign. Gave your story, but as of 12/9/10, Pamela doesn’t even know who you are or how to get in touch with you? (see Caboodle’s Angels’s page 12/09/10) You feel so strongly, but aren’t a member of Caboodle’s Angels? You didn’t post the story yourself, but sent it to Carolyn to post? |
Sorry, not buying it. Maybe there is a sucker on this page that will.
P.S. Joseph’s story is just as ridiculous. He saw these atrocities, but didn’t even make a mention of it on his FB page?
| Dec 09, 2010 Rating | Ann’s story part 9 Perhaps this is where the dying cats were moved to. Oddly, there was an open window with a cat-ladder leaning up to it, so the healthy ones can visit. I was not allowed in this trailer, but in spite of Chuck’s warning, I tried the door; it was locked. The windows were very dirty, but you could see the tops of cages; the trailer is raised several feet off the ground, so you can’t just look in the windows. I was not allowed in the secluded trailers in the woods, either. Thick straw mounds line the bottoms of the many sheds and pens. Craig boasts that he heats these enclosures on cold nights. Space heaters are there to prove it– right on the straw! THIS IS A FIRE HAZARD! Cats can be burned to death in these pens. He can start a forest fire! I believe Craig diagnoses and treats many of the cats himself. He begged Annette (a vet tech) for meds. Our photos are disappointing, but we’re going back on Sun. 12/13. This time we won’t call ahead, and Chuck most likely won’t be there. Perhaps the trailers won’t be locked. This time, there will be 3 of us: Annette, Larry and myself. We’ll get in one way or the other. I’m not sure if they’d willingly let me in again. Please don’t take my word for any of the above. Check out Caboodle! E-mail Nannette. Tell her you’ll pay if they take a few cats—offer her a large sum. Ask to see the place first. Walk the property, including the woods. Check out the long row of pens, as well as the individual ones. Demand to see inside all the trailers, even the ones secluded in the woods. Can you please help us stop these people? We will help in any way we can—we are more than willing to drive there to help catch cats, and possibly find the cages that house our missing ones. My goal is to shut this place down; maybe regular and thorough inspections would work. Regardless, the cats need immediate medical care. Many need to be isolated in a humane environment; others are far too ill and need to be euthanized. Still others need to be fixed before they reproduce. How can I get humane organizations to investigate this death ranch. The local Humane Society is useless. They’ve never been there, nor are they interested in going there. According to Betty, “Where else ya gonna take feral cats, we don’t take ‘em here.” Any and all suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Feel free to call me any day, any time. |
| Dec 09, 2010 Rating | Ann’s story part 8 I need photos—just a few would say it all! On Sun. 12/6, Larry and I, armed with cameras, again made the long trip. We e-mailed Nannette before leaving, and informed her we would be searching for Emma again–Craig takes her calls. There’s a lock on the gate. If you don’t follow the rules, he may not answer, and the long trip would be futile. Craig can’t remember what he says one time to the next; we caught him in so many lies. Chuck was kicked out of a motel, living there with about 20 cats. He keeps them in a pen at Caboodle; he does odd jobs in return. Few of his cats are fixed. Upon arrival (12/6), Craig introduced “my manager, Chuck, he’ll escort you.” Chuck followed closely behind Larry; I walked in the other direction, and slipped into the trailer housing the dying cats. It had been cleaned up; only a few remained. I managed to get a few photos of them, but they didn’t come out very well. I took photos of the the isolation pen (where my cats were kept) and where other cats almost hung themselves. I also took photos of the filthy bowls, trash lying on the grounds, and empty cat food cans—cats eat from these cans; others get fed on styrofoam plates. Craig appeared, so I rejoined Larry and Chuck. It didn’t take long to discover that Chuck loved to boast about his numerous feats: “I once held a wild panther in my lap.” It was easy to engage him in conversation about himself; however, he was ill-prepared for my many questions, and stumbled to find answers. He couldn’t keep tabs on both of us; Larry slipped away. Chuck and I continued to walk through the vast woods. I observed more trailers, and more pens, than I was previously aware of. I questionned Chuck about the numerous (office-type) trailers; there are 6 on the property–some without windows. “We house the feral ones there. They’re mean suckers. Look at my hands. That’s from changing litter pans in their cages.” I questionned why they keep some feral cats in cages, in trailers with NO windows. “We use leather gloves and tame them quicker that way.” He pointed to one trailer, “that’s the infirmary, where the sick cats go.” |
| Dec 09, 2010 Rating | Ann’s story part 8 I need photos—just a few would say it all! On Sun. 12/6, Larry and I, armed with cameras, again made the long trip. We e-mailed Nannette before leaving, and informed her we would be searching for Emma again–Craig takes her calls. There’s a lock on the gate. If you don’t follow the rules, he may not answer, and the long trip would be futile. Craig can’t remember what he says one time to the next; we caught him in so many lies. Chuck was kicked out of a motel, living there with about 20 cats. He keeps them in a pen at Caboodle; he does odd jobs in return. Few of his cats are fixed. Upon arrival (12/6), Craig introduced “my manager, Chuck, he’ll escort you.” Chuck followed closely behind Larry; I walked in the other direction, and slipped into the trailer housing the dying cats. It had been cleaned up; only a few remained. I managed to get a few photos of them, but they didn’t come out very well. I took photos of the the isolation pen (where my cats were kept) and where other cats almost hung themselves. I also took photos of the filthy bowls, trash lying on the grounds, and empty cat food cans—cats eat from these cans; others get fed on styrofoam plates. Craig appeared, so I rejoined Larry and Chuck. It didn’t take long to discover that Chuck loved to boast about his numerous feats: “I once held a wild panther in my lap.” It was easy to engage him in conversation about himself; however, he was ill-prepared for my many questions, and stumbled to find answers. He couldn’t keep tabs on both of us; Larry slipped away. Chuck and I continued to walk through the vast woods. I observed more trailers, and more pens, than I was previously aware of. I questionned Chuck about the numerous (office-type) trailers; there are 6 on the property–some without windows. “We house the feral ones there. They’re mean suckers. Look at my hands. That’s from changing litter pans in their cages.” I questionned why they keep some feral cats in cages, in trailers with NO windows. “We use leather gloves and tame them quicker that way.” He pointed to one trailer, “that’s the infirmary, where the sick cats go.” Perhaps this is where the dying cats were moved to. Oddly, there was an open window with a cat-ladder leaning up to it, so the healthy ones can visit. I was not allowed in this trailer, but in spite of Chuck’s warning, I tried the door; it was locked. The windows were very dirty, but you could see the tops of cages; the trailer is raised several feet off the ground, so you can’t just look in the windows. I was not allowed in the secluded trailers in the woods, either. Thick straw mounds line the bottoms of the many sheds and pens. Craig boasts that he heats these enclosures on cold nights. Space heaters are there to prove it– right on the straw! THIS IS A FIRE HAZARD! Cats can be burned to death in these pens. He can start a forest fire! |
| Dec 09, 2010 Rating | Ann’s story part 7 My husband asked Craig how many cats he has. “ Over 300, but I’d like 3000.” What a lucrative business—charging desperate, caring people to take their homeless cats at 100-200 dollars each! When they die a month later, he just takes more. Visitors walk down the path lined with painted houses, while Craig boasts about the wonderful life he provides. He’s totally oblivious to the pain and suffering, i.e., if you say, “Craig, that cat is sick,” he’ll reply something to the effect: Aren’t the houses neat? Look how good they have it here. Nannette supposedly lives in North Carolina and rarely sees the place. I sincerely believed she would be concerned to hear about the conditions at Caboodle. Instead she immediately threatened legal action. Craig claims Discovery Channel and “the Japanese” filmed Caboodle and were going to air it on TV. I NEED HELP stopping these people! As compassionate activists, we should be shutting down puppy mills—not closing down a cat sanctuary! As I write this letter, I believe I sound like an over-emotional, over-reacting woman. |
| Dec 09, 2010 Rating | Ann/s story part 6 This was NOT an isolation unit—any cat could enter through the open window that has a ladder leading up to it. A white and grey-tabby kitten, that appeared healthy less than a week ago, sat on a shelf directly above the sick cats. She had thick green mucous all over her face. A large dog pen housed about 10 cats. (Several pens did.) Craig informed us that these cats belonged to a couple who was undergoing chemotherapy; he was boarding them. They were all sick. We questioned Craig about the sick cats we observed on earlier visits. “They’re in my office.” He added that he has the cat with liver problems on intervenous, and he’s reversing the liver disease with B-12. Caboodle’s wooden houses are painted to resemble town buildings: Wal-Mart (with little metal shopping carts in front), a school, a church, etc. Cats are everywhere, running and climbing. Many are beautiful and appear healthy. These first impressions could be very deceiving. The decorations do absolutely nothing for the cats, and the cats you don’t see, desperately need medical attention (or euthanasia). I took Emma to Caboodle. I ripped her out of a safe, familiar, healthy environment, and away from her friends. I’ve seen TV clips where Animal Control catches cats with rabies poles and cages–it’s not very humane! Yet out of desperation, I called AC–that’s how bad Caboodle is. If she’s not already dead, Emma could be caught with a rabies pole and destroyed. How could I do this to her? |
| Dec 09, 2010 Rating | Ann’s story part 5 Annette works part-time as a vet tech and was especially concerned about a cat suffering from liver failure (yellow ears). Craig informed her he does not believe in euthanasia; “I just go around and pick up the dead bodies.” On Mon. 11/30, I called Madison County Animal Control, which consists of 1 person–Jamie Willoughby. He confirmed my worst fears, and then some. He visited Caboodle about 12 times in the last year, I believe. He seemed very caring, and expressed numerous concerns. Animal Control had tested some of the cats and found 7 to 8 different diseases, including Giardia. Mr. Willoughby added that women, from all over, pay Craig to take their house-cats that have never been outside, and never subjected to disease. They’re dead in no time. He said, “ Caboodle is a black spot on our county.” He believes Craig has about 125 cats, but added that Craig claims he has over 300, for publicity purposes. In an e-mail to Nannette, I demanded my cat back. They took our money, and lost our cat within 24 hours! This is totally irresponsible and fraudulent . If we hadn’t gone back, would we ever know that Emma never received the inoculations we paid for, went missing almost immediately, and may have been killed within hours of our departure? Nannette, as the contact person, was just as liable as Craig. I questioned how they can continue to accept healthy house cats, charge people for the placement, then put them together with so many diseased cats, only to have them become ill and die? She immediately threatened me with false accusations, and provided the name of her lawyer, Ann Shorstein in Jacksonville, FL. She stated that Ann teaches Animal Law at a FL University, and does pro bono work for Caboodle. She added their lawyer said I need to come for my cat on Fri. 12/4. Yes!!! Annette also made arrangements to retrieve her 2 cats, and we made the trip together. Once again, Caboodle didn’t have Emma. Furthermore, 1 of Annette’s cats was missing. We searched the grounds, but never found them. Although we didn’t see our cats, we saw so much more of Caboodle Ranch–much more than Craig could ever have anticipated. He accompanied us on our search; however, we were determined, and he couldn’t keep us from looking into the numerous pens and a trailer. We went inside this trailer. Surely, everyone has seen pictures of Jewish concentration camps and the rows of dead bodies! But the cats weren’t dead yet. There were rows of them along the walls of this trailer. I touched some of them. They opened their eyes, so I knew they were still alive; but they looked dead. They were just too weak to lift their heads. I’m the first one to aid a sick or injured animal; there were just so many of them; I could do nothing. |
| Dec 09, 2010 Rating | Ann’s story part 4 I began second-guessing myself. Am I too critical? My gut feelings told me NOT to leave our cats, but my brain took much longer to decipher the input. My husband and I discussed the red flags on our trip home. We e-mailed Nannette immediately. She could keep the money; we just wanted our cats back. She said we could come for them, but Craig would not be available.; he’d leave the gate unlocked. We went back the very next day, Sun. 11/29. Evan, terrified, was hiding in a dog house. Emma was gone. There were several other cats in this “isolation” pen—some tame; others were feral and fought viciously. So much for isolation! It was a dog pen, and some cats kept getting their heads stuck in the large chain links, as they tried to escape. My husband had to free one’s head before it hung itself. The pen had no bottom. There was a large hole that looked like it was dug from the outside-in. I learned later, Caboodle has a coyote problem. There was no one in sight, so we walked around the property, calling Emma’s name. She often jumped on our bed with us, but she never let us touch her. I doubt she’d come to us now. The sickness and other conditions we observed were deplorable. Kittens, and healthy cats intermingled with the sick ones. It was evident that some males were unaltered, and a mother cat nursed 2 kittens. Food was available; several large bags were torn open on the ground. Some cats were just too sick to eat. My husband tried to call Craig several times—no answer. I noticed a name on a carrier. I believed it was “Nannette,” and memorized the phone number. I called her on the way home, and began voicing my concerns, but it was the wrong person—her name was “Annette” She too, traps and neuters, and paid Craig to take 2 cats just 1 week earlier. She too, had reservations about leaving her cats there. Craig requested that she bring ALL her strays—at a price, of course. Our lengthy discussion validated each other’s concerns. |
| Dec 09, 2010 Rating | Ann’s story part 3 Emma loves to climb and explore. Not only would it be a great place for her, but Evan would have a familiar friend. All placements are handled by Nannette via e-mail kastlekats@yahoo.com Craig rarely answers the phone. Cats are to be fixed, and vaccinated (rabies and distemper) before they arrive. Leukemia shots are NOT required. STUPID ME–it never crossed my mind to do this before taking them; they never went out. We made arrangements and drove 215 miles (each way)–from Davenport to Lee, on Sat. 11/28. In addition to the $200.00 per cat, Craig asked for an extra $60.00 to cover leukemia shots. Without hesitation, we paid. We want the best for our cats. We also supplied Revolution packets. Craig agreed to isolate Evan and Emma until the shots took effect; he placed them in a large pen. Walking out, I noticed several sick cats (bad upper-respiratory); bony ones as well. My husband was focused on the positive aspects—the trees, the houses, tree-houses, fountains, freedom, etc. When I voiced my concerns about a cat who had thick green fluid, Craig became very defensive. He said his vet, Dr. Lewis, was there earlier that day; the cats were on meds and “recovering.” |
| Dec 09, 2010 Rating | Ann’s story part 2 As vegan animal lovers, we chose to make a difference. We attended a Trap/Neuter/Release Program near San Antonio, TX 2 years ago. We spend our own money, and work hard to trap, neuter and vaccinate as many cats as we can. For various reasons, some cats can’t be released. We now share our MH with 10 cats; 2 were abandoned pets. Ernie was emaciated and had only patches of fur; he had a broken jaw and was unable to eat or groom. He’s now a beautiful long-haired black cat. Ella was left behind by the previous tenant and took up residence under our MH, so we brought her inside. 8 of our cats were once feral. They’ve been with us over a year. Some sleep with us; others like Emma, accept us, but prefer not to be touched. We tried every suggestion, yet Evan refuses to use a litter pan. It’s getting harder to get the smell out. My husband found Caboodle Ranch on the internet. It looked wonderful. We decided to take Evan and Emma there. |
| Dec 09, 2010 Rating | Ann’s Story Ann’s Story |
December 7, 2009
If you visited a factory farm or puppy mill, you’d expect to see animals suffering horribly. You wouldn’t expect this at a cat rescue, where caring people pay money to place pets they can’t keep, and where ferals are given a second chance.
The rescue is called Caboodle Ranch, 711 S. E. Benchmark Drive, Lee, FL. Check out their website! You’ll see carefree cats on wooded acreage, where colorful pet-houses line the path, providing adequate shelter for all. Food is available 24/7; medical care as needed. There’s a fee of 100-200 dollars per cat, depending on how many you bring. The caretaker, Craig Grant, gives discounts if you bring multiples. The more, the better!
My husband Larry works as a traveling physical therapy assistant, and we live in a motorhome. We had no pets when we chose this lifestyle. Over the last few years, we traveled through numerous states, and lived at several MH parks. Feral cats are a given at almost every park.
| Dec 08, 2010 Rating | ACROSS THE POND??? lol…here,here! |
You live across the pond? Is that what you wrote?
And you are going to investigate things?
I have determined from what I have read of the people who have actually had these bloody awful experiences to they are telling the truth. Nobody, even those at the open house event, were ridiculous. They got to see nothing. Standing around and laying around with cats is not an investigation.
I live here and I will be attempting to check the place out. Just have not figured it out yet. I think if even 1/10 of the cats out there roam off and go missing or are being killed and it could have been avoided, than this place is not doing it’s job!
| Dec 08, 2010 Rating | For how can anyone take you seriously Why are you addressing somebody who does not even post here? Why are you also assuming they wrote something here? |
You sound like you have some of your own vitriol against this one person. I agree with the poster beneath me that you are doing the very same thing, and who are you exactly? How are you going to investigate and let us know what is happening there? At least the people who are talking about what is going on there were there? Are you going? When? Are you going to report your findings here?
I am still trying to determine if it is heaven or hell. Nothing anyone wrote against bothers me except that it may be true. Why are you talking about others here at this sight, instead of just putting your money where your mouth is and reporting back what people want to know.
It does not sound to me at all like the cats there are safe or properly sheltered. It sounds very scary and I believe what these people have said. Until you can prove otherwise and be out there a number of times to do a proper look around I don’t get you.
You sound like you have the personal vendetta.
| Dec 07, 2010 Rating | throwing the first stone? Now we have other’s attacking people. |
Who are you to point at anyone who voiced opinions when you just voiced opinions? This makes no sense to me.
Also why do people who have been following this thing think that the people that have been there several times or more in some cases are lying?
You are counting the chickens as they say.
I believe anyone who has seen things that were just wrong has the right to let people know. I have a parent, and a couple of friends that think this place is not a shelter. It does not protect just by it’s geography let alone the complaints of what else goes on there.
I have noticed you seem to be the same person pointing out this Pamela, who had one of the stories at neg. is over, yet not pointing to the others who had stories and are probably at the very least going are important witnesses.
I have seen all types of attacks as this poster said. But I don’t remember any one ever caring about the people who wrote the stories. I find that ridiculous. If these cats are going missing and are being torn apart than your post is absurd.
| Dec 07, 2010 Rating | How can anyone take you seriously? As a completely neutral party (all the way on the other side of the pond) I started researching Caboodle Ranch because we have a Cat Action Trust that does something like Caboodle Ranch but on a smaller scale. I showed some friends and they were so impressed with the American shelter that we set out to donate to them. |
We wanted to make sure our donations would be put to good use and started to investigate and saw this site as well as the Negotiation is Over website.
The sheer amount of vitriol that Pamela spews at the people who do not agree with her strains the argument against Caboodle Ranch. I followed the comments at NIO and saw her praise Camille and as soon as a counter point came out she was attacking them with the same vehemence as Craig. Attacks on their physical appearance? Grow up! I know she is not the only one with complaints, but she is the most vocal. How can this not be seen as a woman who had a disagreement with someone and is so self-absorbed that anyone who can’t be on her side is against her?
And killing the animals (at least 80% healthy) because you think some are mistreated? And you call yourself an animal love? No shelter is perfect but I actually saw a line from Pamela saying that if her cats were dead then rest deserved it to?! I realize most the others are just calling for a reform of Caboodle Ranch and I support that if needed. The others either need to be more vocal with their willingness to compromise or extract themselves from Pamela if they wish to be taken seriously.
Pamela, when you read this, and I am sure you will, please seek mental health. This isn’t said out of any ill-will but it’s obvious you’ve become obsessed with this crusade whether just or not. A therapist can not only help you resolve your inner demons about giving your cats up, but can help you state your point to this matter without letting all your rage in to it.
As for us, we’re still investigating whether to fund Caboodle Ranch or help with the lawyer to investigate the allegations of wrong-doing. But that depends. Is the ultimate goal as Pamela says, no matter what, to get the cats out of there even if they are all euthanised? Or is the goal to save them?
| Dec 07, 2010 Rating | funny Funny how all of you thought Camille and NIO were the best thing since sliced bread when you thought they were on side. Your insults mean nothing to me. Just as I said, those with no facts to back them up go straight for the personal attacks. Sad. |
| Dec 07, 2010 Rating | TO: we aren’t fooled….you are scary! A well respected animal activist organization? |
Where the hell do you get your info?
It was two big, fat, brutally ugly, middle aged women who claim to be involved with another head case who runs a web page called NIO.
If that’s what you are referring to than I feel sorry for ya 🙂
Check each one out on face book:
Lisa Grossman – the name is appropriate
Divine Destiny – a fake name
Yeah they look real intelligent.
NIO/Camille Marino? Are you kidding? She looks like an old hooker that gets lip injections.
The guy with the attorney has more class in his pinky than the four of you any day of the year!
I have talked with him and he has no intention on backing down. My family is backing him all the way too. Those cats would be better off euthanized than living with that crazy old man. Will all of you be at the “another first” wedding at caboodle ranch.
Real romantic. And FYI pea brain, it looks like the construction they claim is gonna happen there is construction for the bride and groom, far from any kind of shelter for the cats.
| Dec 07, 2010 Rating | LAST COMMENT and WHO exactly are you? |
I think the lawyer hired is going to proceed regardless of what two idiots say. They appear to have driven there to check on the condition of this place and all of the cats and how many is that exactly?
They came back with a “zero” investigation and are now on a rampage for the cows out there instead.
You call that a report worth reading and I call you completely stark raving mad and I will be happy to be the first to tell you that you must be out of your warped mind.
My girlfriend brought a cat out there and has never seen it again. It was a stray she fed until she had to move and she did not want to bring it to animal control. she did not live far from there and she went back 3X and has never seen the cat again. It was very unique looking and it is just disappeared.
And what does a Pamela have to do with it? From what I have read she is only one of many. Your post sounds too personal for you to even be somebody worth acknowledging, but I will tell you what I know and that is that you are full of shit.
| Dec 06, 2010 Rating | We aren’t fooled For everyone’s information, a well respected animal activist organization went to Caboodle Ranch and gave a positive report. No abuse, neglect or lack of veterinary care was found. These people claiming to “defend” the cats with their attorney are bogus. Just because someone screams the loudest, doesn’t mean they are telling the truth. Often, people who don’t have the truth to support their claims use bullying, intimidation and overall obnoxious tactics to get people to listen. I encourage you to go to www.negotiationisover.com and read their report. They have severed all contact with Pamela due to her behavior. It’s up to each individual to decide who they want to believe. I choose Caboodle Ranch, Lisa and Stephanie from NIO, Caboodle’s veterinarian, animal control and all the other reliable sources who have given CR their blessing. |
| Dec 05, 2010 Rating | CAT LOVERS ALSO…. |
you can email me at
GaryLConley@embarqmail.com
thanks!
| Dec 05, 2010 Rating | CAT LOVERS PLEASE ADVISE AS MANY CAT LOVERS AS POSSIBLE |
My attorney is setting up a defense fund for the cats at Caboodle Ranch.
Please let people know that they can contribute if they wish.
Send contributions (payable) to:
Jennifer A. Dietz, Esq. / Attorney-at-Law
3225 South MacDill Ave. #129-297
Tampa, Florida 33629
813-789-8029
Please indicate checks are for the “CABOODLE CATS DEFENSE FUND”
| Dec 01, 2010 Rating | IMAGINE…… imagine, that for a minute it is completely 100% true that coyotes are killing hundreds of cats in these woods. that every single nite they feast on cat for dinner and breakfast at dawn. |
……..do you think there should be even A SINGLE CAT out at this caboodle ranch under those circumstances?
imagine, that for one minute, looking past the cute little houses, that it is indeed a horror show in the only indoor shelter available, these trailers, on the property.
hundreds of cats and small trailer spaces, for example in one there is only a tiny room for the cats because the rest is closed off as a ‘sick bay’, and I say that with a pain in my gut!
that when you look into them on any given day, most every day that is, they are filthy with a couple of hundred flies all over the sick babies not just inside the trailers but outside for a good part of the year too!!
let’s just imagine you have never even seen a colony of feral cats look like this. let’s say the kittens that are always on board at one point or another, for whatever reasons, are so tiny and sick and walking around with nearly blinded eyes and cry constantly and look like they could die and they try to curl up but there is nothing but hard cold filthy places to lay, no blankets, no towels, no warmth, comfort and attention.
they would have more attention from their mother in the wild. they are going to die, they have all sorts of infections, bad paws, hurt limbs, severe colds, and that when you go back the next time they are gone.
……..would you be able to accept this if even 50% of the cats looked okay to you, and I am using the word okay very loosely here? would you not feel that this is something you could not support?
and lastly, please imagine, you were one of maybe 100 people who wanted your cats back and had been told on a website that this safe haven and sanctuary where cats aren’t treated like animals, could be such a happy forever home, that they would be given foot, water, shelter, given meds, could run free, but when you go back in a day or a week they are gone!
……..would you be DEVASTATED?
| Nov 26, 2010 Rating | to Nina I was reading Craig’s journal this am, and he had very good intentions and grand ideas. But he obviously messed up somewhere, perhaps in his priorities, perhaps because he may be a hoarder and they think they are doing everything right. |
I get the feeling from the journal that Craig really is fulfilling his desire to be a rancher and has been using the cats as his ‘cattle’ so to speak. Maybe he likes the drama of having to ‘save’ the cats. Maybe that’s why it hasn’t been a true worry of his in fixing the fence. I think he likes to be the so called ‘protector’. It’s kind of sad and sick too. Also after reading the journal it actually has in there exactly what I thought. Craig was homeless and dumped and he can relate with the cats. Very sad, but he is costing the cats their lives when he truly believes no one can or is doing a better job at it than him.
| Nov 25, 2010 Rating | CABOODLE RANCH IS HELL BY THE OWNER IN HIS OWN WORDS. Dear Michael, |
I hope you will understand this post and please not pull the blog….{remainder edited by Michael…}
Pamela..I think it better if you make one post yourself on PoC using one of the forms, have your say and leave it at that. I am very sorry but there has to be a limit on this site. I feel that I have been more than generous in allowing people to express their views. Very few other sites would have allowed this.
| Nov 25, 2010 Rating | Pamela or my kitties I say this out of caring for you. You need to find closure for your loss. You can not keep beating yourself up over the mistake that you made in taking your cats to Caboodle. YOUR CATS would not have wanted you to hurt like you are and you are doing no one any good by continuing your offensive comments on this website. If nothing else, go to your local shelter, volunteer and call it penance for your mistakes. Do something to get back in better mental health and in a better state of mind. Do something so you can forgive yourself. Everyone makes mistakes, we are not perfect but we must strive be better and you are not doing that by wallowing in your grief. I am sure your cats are now in a better place than Caboodle. God bless you. |
| Nov 25, 2010 Rating | To August and Lane Thank you for your insight. You really hit the nail on the head. They will NEVER be able to produce the cats as you suggest. There will be no bodies found as they have been eaten. Coyotes are very efficient scavengers and will clean up everything, even the bones. Craig is in denial that a problem exists or maybe he has just become too enamored with being considered a “saint” for saving all these cats. He is definitely getting his 15 minutes of fame. At any rate, he is not going to change his MO. Why should he, it’s working for him. He gets all this attention and gobs of donations. Why should he change? I am sure he either just doesn’t see the problem or doesn’t care. What started out as a good idea for heaven on earth for cats has indeed caused them to go to “heaven” after a last few minutes of hell on earth. |
| Nov 25, 2010 Rating | Just a thought Michael 🙂 Michael….. |
Not only did I find the writings of the owner of this place shocking but I feel they do paint a picture of what it must be like out there all these years later for so many of these cats.
I found reading these his comments at this site inexcusable and they clearly show the cat hell he created with what is clearly a hoarding tendency that was not controlled and has certainly put many little lives in danger.
This is about those poor animals. If they truly do live in fear of their lives every day out there, especially if he has so many missing, scared or sick that wander off then this is NOT a shelter and far from a safe haven. In fact these cats would be safer behind a walmart!!!
Whoever posted these writings here did an excellent job of not only revealing the truth, by the owners own admission, but more likely providing somebody, a lawyer, the animal control people, peta, etc. with some very shocking evidence!
I do hope you will let it ride. But these are just my thoughts. Thank you.
| Nov 25, 2010 Rating | continued… My head was spinning with all of things I have read, but it is so simple that I find it very sad to be dismissed. How many have there been? What of the missing domestics that people brought there only to return for them OR EVEN TO SEE IF THEY ARE BEING CARED FOR AS PROMISED. |
This is not rocket science people. This does not seem anywhere near a situation that NEEDS HELP OR A HAND OR VOLUNTEERS, it needs to immediately STOP. Until this man can produce every single cat, probably hundreds upon hundreds of them, he is not running a sanctuary of any kind! Not one more cat should be allowed to be taken in by this person.
I am saddened to see this very important question overlooked in nearly every comment. Where are all of the cats that were brought out there, all of these people that are complaining their cats are not there, all of the coyote horror stories apparently penned by this madman?s own ranting demand that he responsibly answers to this!.
I see this as ONLY BLACK AND WHITE. The only thing left to do here is get a VERY SERIOUS INVESTIGATION on that property IMMEDIATELY? ANYTHING ELSE any of you have suggested is sheer insanity. I could care less about his little videos and his yelling ?where?s my babies?? while dumping out food.
WHO IS HE REALLY?
HOW ARE THINGS PAID FOR INCLUDING THIS LAND?
WHERE IS THE PAPER WORK ON ALL OF THESE ANIMALS HE HAS TAKEN OFF OF SO MANY PEOPLE?S HANDS?
IS THERE A COYOTE INFESTATION?
AND WHERE ARE THESE MISSING CATS?
| Nov 25, 2010 Rating | We Can See Clearly I have read every posting here. I have been to another site with similar posts. |
I am uninvolved and stepping back and telling you what I see.
I see that some guy decided to quit to a degree, living. He quit working, he moved into the woods with some cats. At some point he acquired quite a bit of land out there. I have read 30 acres of it. How it has been paid for is an interesting enough question but takes me off point.
At some point I read that he uses 5 acres of it to accumulate a herd of cats, if that is even proper terminology.
His collection of cats have come from every source you can imagine.
In his supposed 5 years of living out there he has had anywhere from 200 to 600 cats and it would appear to be extremely clear that he has no idea.
I will interject this one opinion I have right here about that. It is a huge problem. In fact IT IS THE PROBLEM.
We have a stranger here, at least he is to any one who first meets him, who has taken in perhaps hundreds to maybe thousands of cats and created a spot in the middle of a wooded and clearly, coyote infested and I DO NOT SAY THAT LIGHTLY, as he may be the very cause of the infestation, has not had to EVER answer to anyone, has probably never been interrogated and has been more that likely getting away with murder, literally. HE is at the very least an accomplice! I have seen this question over and over by one poster, and no one seems to care to address it, not the fans nor the people that write things against this man?s actions and what he has created, WHERE ARE ALL OF THESE CATS?
| Nov 24, 2010 Rating | Time to Stop Sorry guys, it is time to stop this thread. |
This is because we are getting a Journal from Caboodle ranch which is not relevant (on reflection they are indirectly relevant but I doubt they were added for genuine reasons) to the discussion and we are getting repetition in massive quantities, which serves no real purpose.
Any further comments will be moderated by me. Please make them really useful and meaningful. As I am busy I cannot guarantee moderating comments within 24 hours and it may take 2 or more days.
Sorry.
| Nov 24, 2010 Rating | to anonymous I believe you about the drop kick and all of it, cause I know and I heard him chasing down a cat in the trailer and calling it bad mouth words. The cat hid inside the wall of the trailer with the thousands of palmetto bugs. God help these babies. Please we have not heard your story before, can you call or contact one of us? carolynsuelogan@yahoo.com (813) 270-8234 |
| Nov 24, 2010 Rating | face book… This is just ONE of the MANY face book remarks I am getting: |
William Grant Poehlman November 24 at 6:42am If your silly and delusional movement to shut down the ranch were to succeed, every single one of those cats would be put to death and it would be YOUR fault. You are a very EVIL person, and i’ll bet you already know that you’re going to Hell. .
| Nov 24, 2010 Rating | my kitties IF THERE IS A GOD MAY HE HELP ALL OF THE BABIES OUT THERE. MAY HE BRING COMFORT SOMEHOW TO THOSE SUFFERING AND A QUICK DEATH TO THOSE DYING OR BEING KILLED. |
MaY I BE FORGIVEN FOR ALL THAT I HAVE DONE.
BUT MOSTLY MY ROMEO BOY, MY TINKERBELL BABYGIRL AND LITTLE PUMPKIN MY SWEET MAY YOU FORGIVE ME FOR WHAT I HAVE DONE TO YOU.
| Nov 24, 2010 Rating | READING AND POSTING THIS SHIT IS REALLY GETTING TO ME NOW Where’s My Lunch? (Etc) May. 8th, 2007 at 2:36 PM |
Just before bed, I made the rounds to tuck everyone in. The last stop is the office to see who wants to go in and who’s already in. Seems some moved out of my place–maybe it’s my snoring! Red’s in here, Oliver just got back home, he’s in. I give medications now.
I opened the office door to find my fridge open, and the last two nights leftovers are being eaten! The two foam boxes are open wide, fish in one, steak in the other and two circles of cats, all having fun!
I kind of lost it a bit–I give them so much. Now, tomorrow’s lunch is gone. They even ate the fries! So, what can I say, I’m tired.
SPOOKY ‘OLE WOODS, ALONE
I was just a city boy, never been in the woods. I grew up in Pawtucket, Rhode Island. Look at me now!
I cut a hole in the jungle and made it home. The winter of 2003, cold nights, a little kerosene heater that nearly killed me more than once. Me and 22 little friends whose lives I also put at risk.
One night I’ll never forget. It was after dark when, not far away, I heard what I thought was a dog bark twice, then laughter like the old lady in the fun house! I dismissed it, someone walking a dog I guess. I quickly realized, no, what was that? There it was again a few hundred feet away! I quickly ran for the shotgun. I was frightened as I dropped shells onto the floor, fumbling to load a shot gun that was more for show, to this point. I wanted to protect my babies!
Some time passed. I told people of my experience. They thought I was kidding, I guess, offering no explanation. I happened to tell a security guard at one of the properties where I worked, and he said what I had heard was a coyote. North Florida does have them. Anyway, a few months passed, I was sitting at my picnic table, lightning was flickering down through the pines. I imagined Jason with his machete showing up, and the old black and white Frankenstein movie came to mind. I unnerved myself, I guess. I felt a little scared, I hate to admit. Wouldn’t you know, here was that same noise, of all nights! Talk about bone-chilling! I’ve experienced pain and suffering, but bone-chilling, never. It was just a saying till goose bumps came in waves over my upper body. Everyman for himself, I ran into the cabin and shut the door. I swear, if the door handle had moved, I would have blown it off the hinges! I have a book and found fresh tracks matching them to the coyote foot prints in the book.
My fear is gone now. The cold winter nights, a distinctive train whistle, and the woods come alive as coyotes cry out. My little friends seem not to pay any attention. The tree forts, ladders to trailer roofs, dens and access to many trees seem to keep everyone safe. I carry a pistol with me at all times at the ranch, a boost of confidence for sure, on nights that they are all around us.
| Nov 24, 2010 Rating | WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! ANOTHER SPOOKY NIGHT |
After arriving back at the ranch one beautiful moonlit evening, I decided to take a walk. A dozen cats followed in a nice, tight-knit group. I wanted to call for Soso up back who I hadn’t seen in a week. Soso was a wonderer. I’ve got to remind her where she lives! The trees line each side of the trails, so the moon makes the trails seem as bright as day. I noticed my shadow–I guess I’d never paid attention to that before.
We were quite a distance from camp when I called out for Soso, which seems to echo for miles. It was then that a laughter came from the dark. S.O.B., a bit of panic wants to set in! Should I run back to camp to get my gun? No, I can’t leave by babies. Maybe I can pick up the pace a bit. No, now some of the cats are engaging in horseplay, while a few others think it’s time to rest, yet other ones are sniffing bushes! This is great! I walk ahead, return to pick up one that was laying down, another goes off the trail. We were being watched by a coyote, I guess. SO far to go–we have to cut through the darkened trees where the trail cuts through the heavy woods. It’s really not far now, but seems so. The cats think the walk was too long!
I’m nearing camp when a ray of light comes through the trees, so bright that the tree trunks are black as I look toward these lights. I feel my scalp tingle–is this my hair standing up? I’ve seem UFO shows. I don’t have electric power. Is it the police with spotlights on? My cell phone doesn’t work, no signal, NEVER has a signal! I continue to camp. I just want to run now, and shut myself inside the trailer. The lights go out and I then realize it was only the bright moonlight reflecting off the 45 degree shiny metal roof of the cabin! At this point I chose not to look to the right or left. I was hurrying, let me tell you!
When I reach the trailer, I turned the deadbolt on the door, grabbed my gun and climbed into my sleeping bag. If anyone could see me now, only two eyes and the barrel of a 44 was visible. I never put the gun down–I slept with it all night. So often, I don’t lock the door. On hot nights, I leave the door open!
So, you can laugh at me. Maybe some night you can come out with your sleeping bag, and I’ll give you a nice, dark spot alone in the woods. But, don’t come knocking on my door in the middle of the night
| Nov 24, 2010 Rating | DEAR GOD FORGIVE ME FOR WHAT I HAVE DONE…. May. 30th, 2007 at 9:10 AM LIKE SNAKES? |
I’ve had awful dreams of snakes–I don’t like them at all! If you channel-surf like I used to, you can’t help but see one. I’m not sure if that’s what would trigger a dream.
I was up back looking for Sissy, who got left behind a few hours earlier of one of our walks. I picked a few blackberries as I headed up the trail. It was early July, and they tasted pretty good! I went to pick another and happened to focus on something on the ground, eighteen inches below the berry I was picking. I made out a tail– a snake! My eyes followed the length of the body, diamonds with white double pin stripes. There was the wide, flat head as it laid motionless. I don’t know what made me pick up a stick, but I poked at it, it went nuts as I jumped back. It must have been six feet long! I quickly left, here comes Sissy walking out of the woods no less than 30 feet away. I often wonder the fate of Jake and a few others. I’ll never know. People think I don’t have snakes because I have cats. Think again!
| Nov 24, 2010 Rating | I HAVE NO COMMENT The Missing Aug. 17th, 2007 at 8:36 AM |
It’s just about dark, two of the new arrivals just released are missing. They did their time in the holding cell. I’ll take a quick walk. I quietly leave camp walking up the west end path. I could lose one cat while looking for another!
I think no one sees me. At the 700 ft. marker, I turn the flashlight beam back down the path, I mutter, “Oh no!” Eyes twinkling in the beam of my flashlight, many, by the looks of it, far behind. I say, “Come”, and I see the eyes scurrying up the trail. The first to reach me is a three month old who never followed before. Then, old Sally is next, that’s a first, too! Six in all, only one, Eminem, has been on the trail before.
I call out to the missing, no luck. I hope they’ll be safe. I’ll look again tomorrow….
| Nov 24, 2010 Rating | NOW THIS JUST GIVES ME THE DOWNRIGHT CREEPS! Coyote Nights Nov. 29th, 2007 at 6:20 PM |
(Originally dated Sept 8th)
Had heavy rain throughout the night, seems to cool things off. The heat has been awful on me and the cats. I slept with the window open, A/C off, a little uncomfortable. My Shadow was on my pillow. I purchased a Queen-sized pillow to give him more room!
About 3 a.m., I woke to the cry of a coyote not more than 50 feet from my trailer. The rain had stopped, I ran out barefoot through mud and brush, the coyotes ran off. Things seemed okay.
Early morning I headed up to the kennel, where I had heard the cry. I saw the coyote’s paw prints, and it looks as if an aggressive chase had taken place. At the kennels, I found four cats on the roof. Seemed a little unusual. Sometime, one might be up there after climbing a nearby tree. I topped off feeders, freshened water, and decided to check on Buddy, who makes his home another 700 feet in the woods up back. I was happy he came, but with four other cats? These guys never go back there. Most of the cats living near the kennels were released from the kennels over the last year. Not many come down to camp, or go anywhere else.
I felt uneasy most of the day, going about my chores pondering what to do. I decided to sleep outside, but not sure I have the nerve, but I have to. I need to protect my herd. I few years ago, I wouldn’t have, but I’m a little more familiar with the woods now. I headed up the trail with my bedroll, two flashlights, a can of Off, my gun and a Gator Aid. “This is nuts”, I thought. Most people are getting into a comfortable bed with A/C on! I’ve got goose bumps climbing up my legs–do I have the nerve?
I found a spot next to the kennel, pine needles, excellent. I rolled out the sleeping bag. No moon, only stars above. A few gremlins in the trees, but I know they’re birds bedding down for the night atop the trees. I scan the area with the flashlight. Many lit up eyes in the kennels. No cats will sleep with me. They don’t know me well enough
| Nov 24, 2010 Rating | REALLY??? YOU OFFERED ME SHIT! May. 13th, 2009 |
PUTTING ON THE BREAKS:
I offer the people a nice service. I want to keep it that way. But sometimes you need to step back a bit before moving forward. In January, it began to look like the ranch couldn’t make it past April. The cats and I didn’t want to be seen standing by those signs that said “Will Work For Food”. Recent press did generate donations but I need to watch the budget a little closer so that I can continue to care for the cats that are already here and cover the expenses of the ranch (land mortgage, electric).
I need to sell off one of my 5 acre parcels, up the back of the ranch. That property isn’t needed at this point. And I’m considering selling my PT Cruiser, which was to become the Cat Taxi; hopefully I can get what I bought it for. The land line to the office will be turned off to save money as well. You can call my cell phone (which will be working again this weekend!), just be persistent-you will reach me.
Some of these decisions were based on this past winters vet bills which exceeded 2000 per month. Food cost is a fixed expense at 800 per week, and cannot be reduced, as it is with the utility bills and mortgage. These changes will ensure that we do continue on and maybe when the economy bounces back a bit we will be able to move forward again.
On a happier note, the fence materials will arrive at the ranch on Saturday the 16th! Thank you all so much for enabling this to goal to be reached for the safety of the cats! I need to take the time now for repairs and maintenance of the ranch to keep it safe and presentable.
MY GOD, HOW I WISHED I HAD LISTENED TO MY SISTER WHEN SHE TOLD ME SHE FOUND SOMETHING ONLIN THAT THIS PLACE WAS HURTING FOR MONEY!!! I YELLED AT HER AND DEFENDED CR AND TOOK MY BABIES THERE ANYWAY!!!!!!!!!! WHAT A SAD DAY IN MY LIFE AND THEIRS!!!!!!
| Nov 24, 2010 Rating | BRINGS THE SAYING SHIT FOR BRAINS TO A NEW LEVEL May. 30th, 2009 OUTDOOR LITTER BOXES: |
This is exciting huh? Six big 8 foot by 12 foot pressure treated wood frames holding sand and soil, excavated from the pond, works to fill these new litter boxes. I used to laugh when I saw people in gated communities walking their dogs carrying a small bag. Pay back now, I bought spades and pick up poop with a big bag. So be careful when laughing at someone…
I AM FAIRLY CERTAIN THERE IS MAYBE 2 OF THESE OUT THERE. PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG!
| Nov 24, 2010 Rating | CABOODLE RANCH JOURNAL BS Jun. 8th, 2009 5:42 PM Caboodle Evolves! |
There have been many positive changes and improvements happening at the Ranch these days. From new outdoor litter boxes to protective fencing going up around the first 7 acres of ranch land. NOW, there is another wonderful thing evolving. A new “Gated Community” made exclusively for Leukemia Positive cats! Caboodle is about saving lives and second chances, not putting cats to sleep because they have a disease. And according to Florida state law that animal does not have to be put down unless the leukemia has come out of remission and that animal is sick.
So Craig has decided to build a unique ‘gated community’ for these special cats. It will be an outdoor kennel, about 100 feet by 100 feet, with all amenities of Caboodle! Roofing, shade, little houses, kitty condos, feeders, fresh water and it will also be built with at least 3 live trees inside it for hammocks and climbing. These cats will be able to live out the rest of their lives in luxury, comfort and safety. The kennel will be isolated from the other Caboodles, being outside the fencing perimeters and in a wonderful location Craig has hand picked just for them. They will enjoy exclusive outdoor living at its best!
Many people were concerned that the ranch wasn’t aware of all the care a leukemia cat can need, but we are. Craig is ready for any extra medical attention these cats may need and fully understands their situation. Madison Veterinary Clinic backs Craig on his innovative idea and is happy to know these cats, and more like them, will have a safe haven to go to if diagnosed.
Craig will need your help to make this all happen, and happen soon. If you would like your donation to go to one of our specific fund raisers, just indicate it in the memo section of your check or in a note on PayPal. For this cause please write Gated Community, and it will go directly to the building of this special home.
**A special “Thank You” to Rachel Mooradian, of Topspin Creative Corp of New York, for coming up with the name for the leukemia cats new home! Rachel has been an essential part of trying to get Caboodle Ranch on a show in Japan called “Amazing Stories”. We will keep you all posted of when it will air and hopefully have a link to view it!
| Nov 24, 2010 Rating | CABOODLE RANCH JOURNAL May. 20th, 2009 8:54 PM |
FENCING
I went to our town hall a few weeks ago thinking I’d need a permit? I was told ‘no’, but did request a letter of approval for the fencing I selected. Thanks to all those that donated to the fence fund, I can begin !
I had over 1000 feet delivered Saturday morning, but there is not enough of me to put it up so I asked my son Rob for help. He’s a contractor. For this, he and his helper will start next week. I expect it may be slow going as first we’ll need to rent a tractor to clear the way. The code calls for minimum of 25 feet from the street which is where we’ll start.
| Nov 24, 2010 Rating | CABOODLE RANCH LIVE JOURNAL Feb. 10th, 2009 5:43 PM |
NEW RECRUITS
Forty six little bodies bouncing along the highway in a nice white horse trailer with the letters ?ANIMAL CONTROL? on the side. Were they scared? No, they knew they were headed to a good life at Caboodle Ranch. Two heavily armed officers escorted them in a new white pick up with the green letters ?SHERIFF? on the doors.
I waited for their arrival, just before dark they showed up. The big doors opened, so many bodies in big cages. ?Welcome to Caboodle Ranch!? I said. All the paperwork was in order fresh from the vets. We took them up to a big outdoor kennel with fresh straw, spring water and topped off feeders.
I finished up after dark with the use of a flashlight and a wheel barrel transporting them in pet taxis up back. They really weren?t scared. I sat down in the kennel, petting most of them, a sweet bunch. So many lives getting a second chance. The temperature was mild; I don?t normally use the kennels in the winter months. A few days passed when I got word of a cold front approaching, 20 degree weather. I just can?t subject these cats to harsh weather, they were indoor cats. I?ll have serious health issues if they stay outside.
Late in the day, here I go again, pet taxi?s in the wheel barrel, getting them all inside after preparing cages that afternoon, or at least 15 trips from the kennels to three heated trailers, I was dying by 9pm, but they were all indoors and warm. The cold night passed, a half inch of ice in the outdoor water bowls, yes, it gets cold in Florida. After a few weeks I started letting the newcomers out a few at a time, they fit right in, running and playing.
Some people call me a cat hoarder, seems disrespectful; Mr. Cat Hoarder please. No, but it?s nice to help people who can?t keep their pet any longer and save that precious life. Most shelters are full, they can?t help people. Caboodle Ranch can keep taking cats and donations and volunteers will keep making that possible.
WHERE ARE THEY NOW?????????????????????
| Nov 24, 2010 Rating | WHERE THE HELL ARE ALL THE MISSING CATS? WHERE THE HELL ARE ALL THE MISSING CATS? |
WHERE THE HELL ARE ALL THE MISSING CATS?
WHERE THE HELL ARE ALL THE MISSING CATS?
WHERE THE HELL ARE ALL THE MISSING CATS?
WHERE THE HELL ARE ALL THE MISSING CATS?
WHERE THE HELL ARE ALL THE MISSING CATS?
WHERE THE HELL ARE ALL THE MISSING CATS?
I WANT MINE FOUND. I WANT THEM TRAPPED BY GRANT, AND I WANT THEM BACK!!!!!!!!
| Nov 24, 2010 Rating | AND THIS!! OH YEAH RIGHT!! |
JANET DOMINY…I HAVE SEEN YOUR FACE BOOK PAGE. YOU LOOK A HELL OF LOT THINNER IN THE PIC YOU POSTED HERE THAN YOU DID AT CR. DID NOT RECOGNIZE YA!!
I SUGGEST YOU WATCH YOURSELF. YOU TOOK A LOT OF PHOTOS OUT THERE AND HAVE COME HERE TO BACK THE NEGLECT ON THAT PROPERTY. WE HAD PEOPLE OUT THERE TOO AND THEY HAVE A COMPLETELY OPPOSITE OPINION THAN YOU. VERY INTERESTING IS IT NOT?
I HAVE NEWS FOR YOU DEARY, you KNOW NOTHING!!! I have been out there nearly a DOZEN TIMES!!
I have just finished copying and pasting and emailing to myself every single thing craig grant or his assistant nanette ever wrote ON THEIR LYING SITE!!!! This stuff is horrendous. There is even outright admission of coyote problems!!
My 3 cats have been missing for nearly 8 months now, just never to be seen again. DO YOU HEAR ME LOUD AND CLEAR!!!???? THEY ARE GONE!!!
AND I ASK AGAIN, WHO IN THE HELL IS THIS, “I HAVE VET TRAINING” CLOWN that went on an on several or more posts up!!!!???
Are you kidding me you clown? I have seen more going out there than you will ever see!!! I do not have blinders on, something that disappears when your cats disappear!!! I will tell you what, you “I have vet training” LIAR, I have just spent hours copying their website shit before they pull it down like they have now DONE AT THEIR FACEBOOK FAN PAGE because it is evidence!!!
There are cat stories there about cats that I have never HEARD OF BEFORE OR EVER SAW OUT THERE….you wanna know why you imbecile? Because they are DEAD!!!! MY CATS ARE DEAD TOO.
NOBODY GIVES A CRAP THAT MY 3 BEAUTIFUL SWEET BABIES WHO I WAS PROMISED WOULD BE LOOKED AFTER ARE GONNNEEE!!!!
2 WERE MISSING WHEN I WENT BACK 12 DAYS LATER!!!! WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!!!!????
I am not the ONLY ONE with this issue!!!
There are many!!!
SOMEONE IS GOING TO PAY!
| Nov 24, 2010 Rating | CONT… DOES ANYONE HERE CARE AT ALL THAT THERE ARE PROBABLY 1000′S DEAD AND MISSING OUT THERE? DOES ANYONE HERE CARE AT ALL THAT IT COULD BE ANOTHER TIGER RANCH OR DO YOU THINK SHE WAS GREAT RESCUER TOO???? |
The last thing I want is for ANY CAT to be hurt. I am scared to death that shutting this shitty operation down, this poorly run joke of a sanctuary that has failed to protect 100′s of cats, this shithole of a piece of wooded land filled with cats being eaten by coyote every night, for the sake of the babies there RIGHT NOW!!!!!! Do you think this is fun FOR ME AND MY MUM!!!! I have an 83 year old mother to take care of and I work every day and I work out and I AM losing my mind over what I have created by ever being told about this place ALL AT THE SAME TIME!!!
HOW DARE ANY OF YOU MAKE THIS THING OUT SO LIGHTLY!!!! HOW DARE YOU!!!!!!
| Nov 24, 2010 Rating | JUST POSTED ALL OF THIS AT NEGOTIATION IS OVER In 3 years of his writing on his own blog/journal on his own website you can see the evidence is there. OF THE CATS IN THOSE STORIES EXCEPT ACTUALLY A SINGLE ONE THAT I AM AWARE, NONE OF THEM ARE STILL THERE!!!! EVEN IN THE LAST YEAR, THEY ARE GONE!!!!!! |
Do you think I am going to stand by while you call this place fine and my babies have disappeared into thin air and I am going to shut my mouth!!! NO WAY!!!!
I kissed grant and his helper’s asses for 7 months so as not to lose privilege to keep going out and looking for my babies………..ARE YOU STUPID!!!????
There are a lot of sick cats there. GOD only knows what diseases a ton of cats have running through out those woods hot as hell and cold as hell most of a year. ALMOST HALF OF THEM SWARMING WITH BUGS FOR MONTHS ON END!!!!!! WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU. BUGS SWARMING AROUND CATS MEAN THEY ARE ILL!!!!!!
HE JUST HAD A LEG AMPUTATED OFF OF A CAT THAT MAY HAVE BEEN BETTER PUT DOWN AND IT IS OUT AND RUNNING AROUND WITH BUGS SWARMING IT’S AMPUTATED LEG YOU BULLSHIT OF A LYING “I HAVE VETERINARY TRAINING” LOSER AND TO HAVE THE AUDACITY TO PUT YOUR CRAP ON THIS SITE!!!!! I AM GOING TO FIND OUT WHO YOU ARE AND BRING YOU INTO OUR LAWSUIT!!!!!!
I SAW GIGANTIC MAGGOTS GROWING WHERE A LOT OF VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY SICK CATS ATE EVERY DAY….I DID NOT GET PICS BUT I CLEANED IT UP. IT WAS RIGHT OUT OF THE TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE.
I SAW THE INSIDE OF FILTHY DISGUSTING OLD NASTY HORRIBLE TRAILERS THAT SENT CHILLS UP MY SPINE THE FIRST TIME. IN FACT, THAT WAS WHEN I KNEW, AROUND THE 5TH TIME OUT, THAT I WOULD NEVER SEE MY CATS AGAIN!!!!!!!
AND THERE IS MORRRREEEEEE!!!!!!!!!! THERE IS SO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HOW DARE YOU PEOPLE COME HERE AND POST THIS SHIT!!!!!
I HAVE SOME PICTURES THAT MAKE ME ILL TO LOOK AT, I AM COPYING THEIR WEBSITE RIGHT NOW BUT THANK GOD I CAME HERE TO CHECK ON THINGS, PAGE BY PAGE, ONE OF MY CONTACTS HAS RETAINED AN ATTORNEY FOR 5 GRAND…IT IS OFFICIAL AND I AM GOING TO MAKE SURE I BRING SOME OF YOU INTO THIS WHEN IT GOES TO COURT.
One of you creeps instead of running your “you know nothing about it” mouths on here better call your friend Grant and work with him at finding my missing babies or I will find out who you are TOO!!!
| Nov 24, 2010 Rating | CR FACEBOOK REMOVED ALL POSTS! holy frickin crap…have you gone to caboodle ranch’s facebook…they HAVE REMOVED EVERYTHING, EVERY SINGLE POST!!! |
DID ANYONE ELSE KNOW THIS??
SAY SOMETHING?
I COPIED A COUPLE OF THINGS THEY SAID THERE.
ANYONE ELSE? PLEASE EMAIL ME:
FLORIDAPAMELA@ATT.NET
| Nov 24, 2010 Rating | TO THE AUTHOR OF CRAIG IS HARDHEADED…… I just don’t know where to start. |
FIRST: thank you for writing that! I love you for all that you said, and I know it is so true. I have seen all of it but the dropkick thing, and I just cried over that! Thank you for coming forward. I wish I knew who you were. You are welcome to email me confidentially at floridapamela@att.net.
We have a volunteer/witness who HEARD him probably drop kicking poor innocent cats, ok well I am throwing that in, but did HEAR him calling the cats or a cat, in his nasty sick bay trailer a motherfucker!!!!!! Can you fing believe that?
Since he cussed me out personally with f**k, f*****g, and other related words, I KNOW IT IS TRUE THAT HE DID WHAT YOU SAID. My greatest fear is he has done much more. He LEFT one person’s cat, who is filing suit against him, in a carrier for 5 days….another story!
It is my biggest fear right now, that he is in reality a Ted Bundy of sorts. This has been discussed amongst friends, but sometimes I say to them, I can’t go there right now, when for example images of my 3 loves start flooding my head. Oh god what a horrible mistake I have made.
I have def. made some bad choices, mistakes & regrets like a D.U.I. 14 years ago, stalking an ex for 3 grand he owed me and having him and his sleazy g.f. get restraining orders ag. me only to have him come back begging 2 years later, sorry another story, but I refused to show up in court and they were granted those R.O.’s, I did not care, many years ago after first meeting this piece of trash, I discovered he was an abuser, not just of drugs and alcohol but of me as well, I threw him out, drank too much wine, rode my bicycle to a store and walked out wearing the shoes I had apparently tried on (can’t remember) pleaded guilty with an explanation using a lawyer but still refused to admit to being wasted, and finally let my license expire, long story, accidently caring for my mom a year ago, got some huge fines, and I am sorry for my sins!
BUT BY FAR, THE BIGGEST, MOST ATROCIOUS AND HORRENDOUS, AND REGRETFUL THING I HAVE EVER DONE SO THAT THOSE MISTAKES I MADE IN THE PAST PALE NEXT TO WAS BRINGING MY 3 KITTIES, MY LOVES, MY BABIES, OUT TO CABOODLE RANCH.
IF I AM EVER HIT WITH A DEPRESSION OF THAT DEPTH AGAIN I AM CERTAIN I WILL NOT BE HANGING AROUND WHILE IT DESTROYS ME. BUT THAT WILL BE ANOTHER STORY.
Nobody can forgive me for that one! And I am paying the penalty!!!!! Forever and ever.
| Nov 23, 2010 Rating | Craig is a hard headed…… …inflexible guy who cries crocodile tears….I can only hope that they used to be real. They are not now. He couldn’t possibly think that he is running a cat “sanctuary” and still be in his right mind. I was there, it is dirty, the stench is overwhelming about the whole place, the water is still stagnant and filled with bacteria…after how many years? seven? you would think that clean water would be the first thing he would’ve have taken into consideration. The Caboodle web site claims that he knows how to give meds and IV’s. He has no clue or he has been told how to administer meds corrctly and he’s just lazy. I saw him give many different dehydrated cats fluids with the same set needle over and over. He had a baggie full of new needles…. he does not know how to keep the place clean or keep the kittens clean or their living area clean. Everywhere you look there is putrid filth. He can’t possibly give the cats proper vet care who are ill. There are just too many cats! I saw him drop kick a cat that bit him when he picked it up —-with his pointed cowboy boots….i saw him stick his dirty fingers into a kittens infected pus filled eyes and then wipe the eyes with a clorox wipe!?—after i just gave him eye drops for the poor little kitten ,but I held my toungue so I wouldn’t get thrown off of the property before my work was done. They can send their lawyer after me with a threat letter —but it’s not slander if what i am reporting is true! He needs help, the cats are suffering and dying under his sub-standard care. |
| Nov 23, 2010 Rating | TO MAD CAP FAT ASS You ignorant stupid piece of lard. You are insulting the bloggers who are compassionate, intelligent and trying hard to do things right. They all have good intentions. But they cannot help that they have got feelings and emotions. Not like you. A BIG WASTE.. You will never understand what is right or wrong.. because you are too stupid to believe in hypes without brain or facts. MADcapeline DUMP LARD. What have you got in your head?… S+*t. It’s that all? We will never forget Caboodle Ranch is HELLHOLE.This I said it with many many facts and IQ of 148. |
| Nov 23, 2010 Rating | Madcapeline@gmail.com 904-343-3337 |
I am going to invite you over and kick your fat ass right back to your laptop.
Call me so I can find out where you live. I used to a doctor, I have some cash, I will visit you you or send you a plane ticket here to welcome you with open arms.
I dare you to call.
CALL ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND DON’T DO IT ANONYMOUSLY CAUSE MY COMPUTER DIVULGES YOUR ASS…CALL FROM A PAYPHONE I GUESS….CAUSE I WILL FIND YOU.
We will see who ends up needing medication.
AND NOW THE GREAT NEWS:
WE HAVE AN ATTORNEY FOR THE DEFENSE OF THE CR CATS!! SOON EVEN WITH A GENEROUS $5000.00 THE GENTLEMAN PUT DOWN FOR THE SERVICES OF RETAINING, ETC. WE MAY HAVE A CR DEFENSE FUND WHERE DONATIONS WILL HELP, GOING DIRECTLY, OR IT IS LIKELY, TO THE ATTORNEY.
| Nov 23, 2010 Rating | NEGOTIATION IS OVER!!! that’s right! negotiationisover.com times up |
| Nov 23, 2010 Rating | Mac You really couldn’t do a better job to try and deflect attention from Caboodle Ranch? Go get a life, you really need one! |
| Nov 23, 2010 Rating | Madcapeline@gmail.com Sorry to disappoint you but I am far from ever being fat. And I have a job so I don’t sit around on the computer all day like you, I can type really fast, so i spend very little time on here. I am actually pretty good with photoshop, but would never think of doing something like that, but we see where your mind comes from, the lowest obviously. And where is your cat sanctuary? How could you dare get on here and defend all the atrocities that have been done to innocent loving animals as these cats? There is someone higher up keeping track, you can count on that one. |
| Nov 23, 2010 Rating | Madcapeline@gmail.com Sorry to say, but there are more than 6, we have 4 w/pictures and over 10 with stories, and 4 so far with cats that disappeared right after taking them. And btw, what business do you have here? |
| Nov 23, 2010 Rating | Seriously Pamela, get some Prozac sweetie. You’ve got issues that need not be address by an internet message board, but by a psychiatric health care professional. LOL at anyone suggesting that a blog be shut down because of you. What are you? Nothing. Well, nothing more than a high strung speck of fly shit. Piece of advice, take a step outside yourself, and re-read your posts. Now, with a blush of embarrassment, in your best pot voice, tell all the kettles you’re sorry or calling them pathetic. Whoever said it before was right, it ain’t all about you sweetie. |
You can produce 6 people with a bad CR experience, Carolyn, is that right? Are they all as mentally “stable” a Pammie here? I’d say you might want to double check, just so you don’t damage your *snork* credibility *giggle*
| Nov 23, 2010 Rating | Get a job A job, a life, a spouse, something…. I know it’s more fun to sit around on your computer, in your jammies, being fat, slandering everything that comes across your screen, but you don’t offer up anymore proof than they do. How do I know your photos aren’t shopped? Your testimonials aren’t paid actors? Just take your word or it? Where’s your cat sanctuary Carolyn? I can see that Caboodle is at least attempting to do something. All I see from you is sour grapes. |
| Nov 23, 2010 Rating | sad to watch I was looking at one of their videos and how sad, cause I know those cats are not there any more, only a few. So makes me wonder what was their outcome? whatever happens there is only one in control of this whole thing, and whatever happens is for the best. |
| Nov 23, 2010 Rating | Re: Caboodle Ranch I agree is would be sad to put down any cats. But we have to stop them from taking in anymore. Hundreds are probably dying a month as it is. Possibly suffering at the hands of Coyotes & illness. What is more humane then. All I can say is it must be stopped. |
| Nov 23, 2010 Rating | Candy I hope Candy does tell Caboodle Ranch and I hope they get their sh** together. I would love to see that happen. That’s what I am going to pray for, for Caboodle Ranch to suddently get the wisdom they need to run that place properly and to stop killing the cats. Otherwise whatever happens was meant to be no matter how sad or bad, but no more cats will be brought there. It’s all messed up, cats have had a bad rap for way too long in this world. |
| Nov 23, 2010 Rating | that email That email disturbs me deeply. Why does it always have to end with all the cats being put down? Don’t they understand that all that stuff has been offered to Craig and he refuses all, he won’t even let many people over at all to help clean. God I pray he gives the reign to someone else or cleans up his act, but I don’t see that happening. So unfair and so sad. |
| Nov 23, 2010 Rating | Part II of the email to one of our Angels But for Pete’s sake, don’t let Florida lose another sanctuary. If you are successful in getting the Caboodle Ranch shut down, you will personally be responsible for at least 200 deaths, which will occur if the state gets involved. Perhaps that rests easy on your conscience, but it doesn’t for me. And, I’m not one who advocates mass euthanasia such as what happened to the 125 black and black and white cats that no one wanted from 10th Life. |
I am letting Caboodle know that you have sent this e-mail to me so they know what they are up against and will not be blind sided by well-meaning but ill-equipped people or activists who want to make noise, be successful in shutting down a last chance sanctuary and not do anything productive. Peta is such an organization that they would erradicate sanctuaries, personal pets and will go to any lengths to destroy places for animals to live out their days.
Candy
| Nov 23, 2010 Rating | was sent to one of our Angels who was seeking direction I thank you for your kind words about Candy’s Cats but we are not a sanctuary and are not equipped to take in cats. |
As for “doing something” about Caboodle? Honestly? I’m not getting involved.
I saw what activists did to the 10th Life Sanctuary, lots of big voices but no concrete offer of getting in there and volunteering to help clean things up. They were successful in shutting its doors. Is that what you want to achieve with Caboodle?
Two weeks prior to 10th Life being shut down, I went with volunteers and we helped vaccinate and microchip 125 cats. There were really sick kitties that were put into the infirmary, some were going to be put down at the animal services because they were really suffering, others were being treated.
We saw the conditions and put a plan of action in place. Friends started by going down and cleaning cob webs, that sort of thing.
My friends and I had a group of like-minded people who were going down there Thanksgiving week to rebuild the barn. and repair where repairs were needed. We had supplies, were staying at a cabin nearby, and arranged that during Thanksgiving when most people (maybe you?) were eating dinner with their families, we were going to do an old fashioned barn raising. Before we could put our actions into place, the 10th Life was shut down. Nearly 400 cats were euthanized and if that is what you want to participate in, that is your prerogative.
The really sick kitties? Why don’t you take them and foster them until they get well, although, maybe they’re FIV+ and this is what is going to happen eventually?
In the open air environment, they are less likely to share the germs than they do in enclosed environments. The really friendly, healthy kitties? Why not see if you can work out something to find FOREVER homes for them? Talk to the owners. Have you talked to Craig? Have you talked to people who help him?
Otherwise, get in there with a cleaning crew and help keep the place running. Buy medicine, pay vet bills, put constructive action where right now there is are words.
Donate funds for more perfect fencing – it works, keeps out the predators.
| Nov 23, 2010 Rating | yes Yes that is me, they were slamming me and lucily I found the site ane posts and came out to defend myself. I do appreciate the compliment in thinking I was the one who created that site though 🙂 |
| Nov 23, 2010 Rating | Lookie! Hey guys I thought I might tell you that I found an interesting discussion about this at negotiationisover . Com and if you click on comments about the caboodle ranch story then you can read it too! More lies from caboodle… hey Carolyn, is that u on the posts? Wow I can’t believe caboodles only answer for these websites is , ” uh huh thank you, yes, we’ll be saving this for our attorney”. geez! A little strange isn’t it? What about freedom of speech? |
| Nov 23, 2010 Rating | Part II of anther story from Negotiationisover.com Foolishly when Craig arrived and let us in, we brought the 2 new cats we had recently saved to Craig’s holding pen. Looking for the 4-cats that had previously been brought only less than 2-weeks earlier, they were nowhere to be found. Apparently his so called holding period was just another story made up to sound good in their sales pitch. Note, we returned 3-times total in the hopes of find the cats we left there and they are nowhere to be found, as well as many of the cats we saw on the first and second trip, also nowhere to be found any longer. |
On that first day as we walked the premises, we saw kittens and cats after cats with missing eyes lost due to severe infection, cats with torn tails still raw from recently being torn by some predator, cats which were being eating alive be mosquitos, nats and flies as they lay dying, cats with tilted heads due to lost equilibrium due to infection and on and on. We tried to provide some care to a few baby kittens by cleaning their infected eyes , only to find their eye-ball was no longer there and all that remained was infection and puss. We felt completely helpless at what we saw.
As we left on our drive home my wife openly cried and as a man I will admit, so did I. Then the realization set in that what we had witnessed that day was an animal concentration compound, like something out of a horror show. We knew that we had to somehow get our little feral cats we had trying to save back but what of all the rest the poor animal also there and for the untold others still to come. What of the poor dying old ladies who mistakenly send their beloved house cats there along with generous donations before they enter elderly care facilities and hospice. This story is a real tragedy of massive hording and perhaps one even more sinister still of human greed at the expense of animal abuse!
This story goes on and on but I will tell you this, my wife in particular as well as I have suffered so from the terrible mistake we feel we unwittingly made, interfering with poor innocent animals lives and delivering them to their death in a diseased concentration compound, where they are hunted daily by predators, shot by neighbors and run over on the highway. If you can, please help the unfortunate animals that are there now. These poor creatures needed someone’s help somehow. If you are in a position to help please do what you can. You may call me with anything we can do at any time and thank you in advance for anything you can do.
| Nov 23, 2010 Rating | another story from NegotiationIsOver.com My name is Alfonso xxxxx. I am a financial professional and an business executive. My wife and I both volunteer our time in Animal Rescue for our local community. In these efforts, we were looking for a home for feral cats we have been rescuing, which is how we became familiar with the Caboodle Ranch. I would say that we have had the misfortune of finding them but that would be an understatement. The true misfortune and tragedy was for the 4 feral cats we had intended to rescue but instead mistakenly delivered them into caboodle’s supposed care and most probably to their deaths. Our story is a very sad story of people who were honestly trying to do something good for some poor, unfortunate creatures and who instead have been misled and deceived in believing the cats would be cared for but instead, they have most probably have been delivered to a cruel and agonizing death. |
Things went wrong from the day the rescued animals were brought to the Caboodle Ranch. We did not deliver the first group of cats to Caboodle ourselves but instead they were brought up by another Animal Rescue Volunteer who was handling the delivery to the Ranch, which is over 4-hours’ drive away. At our groups own personal expense, we had made sure that each rescued cat had received proper veterinarian care before delivering them, complete with their medical records to the Ranch. Right away we were told that Craig was not interested in their medical records, in hind sight this was a massive red flag..
We were also told that they would be kept segregated from the general population for at least 3-weeks or until Craig could at least pet them. This would insure that they could receive care, should they need it (this turned out to be just another fairytale). In less than 2-weeks we needed to deliver 2-more feral which were part of the same community/family, so we rushed to deliver them in the hopes that they could be reunited with their family already there to help them in their transition to their new home and environment.
Upon our arrival to the Caboodle Ranch we were met with a sight of true shock and horror with what we found. In that there were no care takers on the premises, we waited outside their locked gate which was posted “Private Property – No Trespassing.” We called the proprietor, Craig and waited for his arrival. While we waited, dozens of cats outside the facility approached us, many of them were dying and in a starvation mode, most of them were severely infected with upper-respiratory infection, eye disease and open wounds upon their skin and walking with tilted heads due to their ear infections. It was a sight difficult for the mind to truly immediately understand.
| Nov 23, 2010 Rating | to Ann Well yes Ann, but what can they do about it? It is his private property? |
| Nov 23, 2010 Rating | To the person who has contact w/CR’s neighbors If anyone has contact with CR’s neighbors, don’t you think it would be a good idea to notify them that Craig keeps heaters (propane, kerosene, and/or electric) on straw mounds inside the pens? If one of them should get knocked over, or if a cat pushes straw up against it, a fire will not only burn the cats in that pen, but will probably burn down the entire place, including the woods, and might even spread to neighbor’s homes! The weather is getting colder and the thought of cats being burned alive horrifies me. Maybe intervention by some of the neighbors can be of helpful. |
| Nov 23, 2010 Rating | to Ann They are donating the carries, but my question is why not keep them? You have all that property what if a fire breaks out somewhere close by? What if a hurricane approaches that way? They didn’t seem to care. |
But on another note about Nanette, I totally understand her wanting to help raise money to feed those cats. But please please don’t just sit back and let this hoarder keep doing these atrocities to these babies. That woman must be out of her mind. I believe Craig’s kids are happy that he is doing what he loves, hoarding, so that is why they defend him. How come his son never responded again to his and mine post on CR’s wall? I even stated to him “you know, Nanette and everyone knows how bad it is”. So I guess that’s why, he couldn’t respond cause you can’t keep telling lies.
| Nov 23, 2010 Rating | monetary incentive for Nanette During one of my trips to CR, I went back to the huge heap of trashed cat carriers. (Why doesn’t he donate them instead of trashing them?) Anyway, I copied down names of organizations shown on some of the carriers. When I returned home, I looked them up and called them. A woman at a shelter in Virginia Beach, VA was the first to inform me that Nanette goes around to various shelters and takes their cats for $200. each. I told this woman about my personal experiences at CR, and she offered to contact the other shelters that turn their cats over to Nanette. Now tell me, do you really think there’s not a monetary incentive for Nanette to do this? And VA? How many states are cats coming from? Craig said he had 300 a year ago, and he probably has about that today. What’s happening to all the cats? (It’s a rhetorical question, obviously.) |
| Nov 23, 2010 Rating | The source of our problem Let me say that I believe us not have the Dept of Agriculture behind us in the state of florida is our big problem. I have been thinking about this for quite some time, and this is the source of the problem and this is where we need to start. Any and all animal rescues, sanctuaries, or whatever you call the place, should have to abide by rules for the welfare of the animals. |
| Nov 23, 2010 Rating | Christy Melanson I looked up that girl and she is not sharing photos with public? did you send a friend request? |
And yes the bells is a stupid idea. It’s too bad about CR cause it is a good concept but as usual there is no such thing as too good to be true. There were a lot of great things that could be done with that place. I believe Craig has received more money this year than ever, so why can’t he get his act together? Videos, pictures, restricted Open House don’t say a thing! The proof is in the pudding as they say
| Nov 23, 2010 Rating | Dept of Agriculture Here’s what we need to have changed, need to have it so the Department of Agriculture regulates rescues and animal welfare organizations here in the state of Florida. |
| Nov 23, 2010 Rating | one more thing my kitties – I know you said you wouldn’t cuss anymore, but your insults are just as bad sometimes. This blog is not Caboodle’s Angels, and it is only thanks to Michael and Elissa that we even have it to post on. Please let’s try to respect it more. Really everyone, I think the best way to have things changed at CR is to have the laws changed. I think some things should be made mandatory like keeping medical records on the cats, dates they came in etc and release forms for any cats that were brought in. I am looking for anyone who wants to help me with this. This is the best way to fight this. Not to say we shouldn’t get an attorney too. But honestly, I wouldn’t want CR or ANY PLACE to be able to get away with this anymore EVER!! |
| Nov 23, 2010 Rating | I don’t put anonymous Ok, I haven’t even read everything on here, so hard to keep up with. But I seen something I wanted to mention. We met all of Craig’s neighbors and not one owned a donkey. Now maybe someone down the road but no one close to him. We made sure we went to every house around CR and everyone was home. 6 houses total. And Craig is lying about no coyote problem, just go and ask those 6 neighbors. Better yet, why don’t I get signed statements from the neighbors? I can and will real soon. I already have 3 of their phone #’s. We never even brought up the subject about coyotes to one of the neighbors and he told us at free will “Craig is feeding the coyotes” that broke my heart. He resides right next to CR, RIGHT NEXT DOOR. And his mother who lives next to him says she has to wait til a certain hour in the am before she can go outside cause there is usually 5 or more coyotes in her yard in the mornings. PEOPLE WAKE UP! Stop listening to their lies. And another thing, Craig does not stay on the property every night as he claims. He goes to his son’s sometimes and stays the evening. Actually he goes there a lot. No one there to protect or watch over the babies. I could never imagine leaving that place knowing those cats are there and there may be an emergency. Also I mentioned to Nanette that they should keep those carriers cause what would happen if they had a fire in the woods or something or a hurricane, she stated “we will never have anything happen”. If you have a sanctuary don’t you want to protect the animals and have something in place for an emergency? |
| Nov 23, 2010 Rating | I think I am going to contact this gal about CR you guys need to go to this woman’s face book page and check her pics!! |
Christy Melanson
if you can even stomach it…it is very graphic but it makes my imagination run wild when i think of the sweet babies at caboodle ranch!
AND NO!!!!!!!!!!!! I DON’T HAVE THE ANSWERS. I do not know where they would be if they had not been brought there. I am just not sure how much of a difference it would have made for a large number of them. after all, what the hell happened to them?
I know if I had been turned down, there is a good possibility I would still have mine. I wish I never found this place.
| Nov 23, 2010 Rating | CAT BELLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I had a HORRIBLE thought not yet even addressed even by we, the witnesses to this horrible place. Did anyone notice this besides me? |
It would appear a lot of cats were wearing collars with bells on them, did anyone see this and how in the hell do we get those things off the cats necks immediately. The last thing they need out there is to be ringing ‘here i come’ to all of the predation around them!! Just one more retarded Craig or Nanette move, or perhaps brought there by one of the simpleton “open house, closed doors” visitors!!!!
| Nov 23, 2010 Rating | AND ONE MORE THING, PATHETIC!!!! AND ONE MORE THING PATHETIC!!!!!!!!!!!! |
YOU NEED TO ‘GO’ ON THE JERRY SPRINGER SHOW…PAL, CAUSE THERE IS “NO LIVELY DEBATE” GOIN’ ON HERE YOU SICKENING WEAKLING. HOW DARE YOU COME HERE AND POST AND WHINE ABOUT THE MORONS ON THAT FAN PAGE!!!!!!!!!! HOW DARE YOU!!!!!!
DO YOU THINK ANYONE HERE CARES ABOUT THAT?!!!!!!!!!!!!
There is no longer a debate here, thus I say let’s rename it ASAP to CABOODLE RANCH: CAT HELL
THANKS PATHETIC! I WOULD NOT HAVE THOUGHT OF THIS IF IT WERE NOT FOR YOU!!!!!!!!
THERE IS NO MORE TIME FOR SCREWING AROUND. WINTER IS COMING OUT THERE AT 11 DEGREES ON THE AVERAGE A DAY ONCE IT HITS HARD!! I WATCHED IT ALL LAST WINTER. THERE CAN BE NO MORE TOLERANCE ON THIS BLOG!
AND FOR ANY NEWCOMERS PLEASE DO YOURSELF A FAVOR AND GO TO CABOODLES ANGELS ON FACE BOOK UNDER DISCUSSIONS AND CLICK ON “CABOODLE RANCH HORROR STORIES/EXPERIENCES.
HOPE I DON’T GET ONE OF MY COMPUTER SAVVY FRIENDS TO FIND OUT WHO YOU ARE PATHETIC. AND I AM FULLY AWARE YOU POSTED THE COMMENT ABOVE OR BELOW THAT ONE. ARE YOU THE FAT PREGGIE TEEN WITH THE BULL RING IN YOUR NOSE THAT SOMEONE MENTIONED EARLIER?
THAT POOR KID!
| Nov 23, 2010 Rating | TAKE OUT THE TRASH……. and one more comment…..this blog does not need to be pulled because of me. I suggest you leave it though. you are worthless to it. This fight will go on with or without it. I have saved every single post and will remove all trash like you when it comes time to repost things. I will just take out the trash and we will get it going somewhere else, looser. |
This blog is MORE ABOUT ME AND MY CATS THAN IT COULD EVER BE ABOUT YOUR USELESS COMMENTS AND YOU CAN BE SURE ABOUT THAT PAL.
THIS BLOG EXISTS BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE ME!!!!!
WE REALLY ONLY WANT PEOPLE HERE WHO CAN MAKE INTELLIGENT OBSERVATIONS ABOUT CR, one of which has become very clear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT IS NOT CAT HEAVEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SO I AM 100% UP FOR HAVING MICHAEL RENAME IT FRESH AS, “CABOODLE RANCH: CAT HELL”
THIS WAY WITH ALL OF THE TRASH REMOVED WE CAN GO ON WITHOUT YOUR PETTY REMARKS AND PUT THIS HOARDER, CAT MURDERING SLIME OUT OF BUSINESS!
I AM JUST SICK TO MY STOMACH TO HAVE LEARNED THERE WERE CLEAN AND WONDERFUL SHELTERS IN FLORIDA I COULD HAVE GONE TO. AND NOW SOMEONE IS GOING TO PAY FOR MURDERING MY CATS NO MATTER WHAT YOU COME HERE AND TRY TO SAY!
| Nov 23, 2010 Rating | no breeders of any pyrenees ohhhh and BTW…there are no ladies breeding the Pyrenees by Craig Grant’s Holocaust Center! |
The immediate neighbor, is breeding American whatever’s like said earlier. I met her!
AND ONE MORE THING TO THE SCAB WHO POPPED IN AND MADE A COMMENT TO MICHAEL TO PULL THIS BLOG..HOW BOUT WE JUST PULL YOU OFF THE BLOG.
OH THAT’S RIGHT YOU WON’T GET THIS CAUSE YOU WON’T BE BACK! LET’S KEEP IT THAT WAY.
| Nov 23, 2010 Rating | no breeders of any pyrenees ohhhh and BTW…there are no ladies breeding the Pyrenees by Craig Grant’s Holocaust Center! |
The immediate neighbor, is breeding American whatever’s like said earlier. I met her!
AND ONE MORE THING TO THE SCAB WHO POPPED IN AND MADE A COMMENT TO MICHAEL TO PULL THIS BLOG..HOW BOUT WE JUST PULL YOU OFF THE BLOG.
OH THAT’S RIGHT YOU WON’T GET THIS CAUSE YOU WON’T BE BACK! LET’S KEEP IT THAT WAY.
| Nov 23, 2010 Rating | BEAUTIFUL WHITE PYRENEES My sister is posting for this beautiful white Pyrenees to be pulled from GA!!!! |
..In Winder, GA: 13 week old Isabel is a Great Pyrenees Puppy who wants someone to get her out of the shelter ASAP!
2010-11-121 Isabel – Great Pyrenees
Isabel is a beautiful girl. She is a bit overwhelmed about being at the shelter and is shy and scared. according to her owner, she is housetrained. She is 13 weeks old.
LAST DAY 11/23/10
Please contact before 5:00pm.
Due to call volume at the shelter, for faster response, please email
cwatkins@barrowga.org
mbeckemeyer@barrowga.org
mburrell@barrowga.org
if you are interested in adopting or rescuing one of our pets.
*LAST DAY means the date the dog is scheduled for euthanasia. If we have a dog posted whose last day has passed, that dog should be considered extremely urgent. Please call immediately about those dogs as they may be subject to euthanasia at any time. We remove postings on available dogs when they leave the building or their adoption has been completed. If you are a rescuer who has spoken for a dog or a person with an application on a dog, do not take offense. We have had rescues and adoptions fall through in the past and we work hard to make sure no dog falls through the cracks.
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| Nov 23, 2010 Rating | sorry… I am sorry. |
Takes me several times when I am really upset.
I will try not to post after reading something very upsetting 🙂
| Nov 23, 2010 Rating | Coyotes Per Caboodle’s facebook page when asked about the fence and the coyote problem, Craig is thinking about getting a guard dog. Here is one of their responses below… |
“@Teresa I just got off the phone with Craig to find out what kind he was considering. He said what you said- the Pyrenees! A lady down the street from him breeds them.
He wanted me to let everyone know that coyotes haven’t been a problem for quite some time. His neighbor owns cows and was losing a calf a week to them- until the guy bought donkeys. The donkeys have been keeping them away. (@Denise- I think these are full size!)”
| Nov 23, 2010 Rating | Language I think that one person with a foul mouth and uncontrolled temper is ruining it for the rest of the people that are trying to get the word out there about the true horrible conditions of Caboodle Ranch. If Pamela (My Kitties) is not capable of conducting herself in a civil intelligent manner, then she should not be allowed to post here if it’s possible. That way we can all try to get our stories out without worrying about this blog being shut down. I thank PoC for opening up this topic for discussion and letting our voices be heard. I would hate for this blog to be closed all because one person cannot control themselves. |
| Nov 22, 2010 Rating | Pathetic Michael, How can you still feel like this page is at all productive as a means of intelligent discussion. Now we have some poor girl who just happens to be a CR supporter being called names. People admitting that they go on CR’s webpage to post harassing messages just to upset people. What kind of childish behavior is this? It is making this webpage look like a cheap tabloid. I was looking forward to a lively debate, not the Jerry Springer Show. You and your page have lost a fan. Feel free to bash me as much as you want. I will not be back to read it. Of course, that should be fine with most of the posters who talk just to hear their own words. |
| Nov 22, 2010 Rating | cussing I promised before and I will stick to it this time. |
I admit it takes me 2-3 times to do right!
No more cussing…I swear, no pun intended.
I am mad, and I will use substitute words if I must vent!!
We have a wonderful group of people coming together here on this internet! I am so happy.
I wish I knew what the answers were. It will come.
I applaud everyone of you. ty! I feel you care that we who have been betrayed are in pain and you care. ty!!
| Nov 22, 2010 Rating | cussing I promised before and I will stick to it this time. |
I admit it takes me 2-3 times to do right!
No more cussing…I swear, no pun intended.
I am mad, and I will use substitute words if I must vent!!
We have a wonderful group of people coming together here on this internet! I am so happy.
I wish I knew what the answers were. It will come.
I applaud everyone of you. ty! I feel you care that we who have been betrayed are in pain and you care. ty!!
| Nov 22, 2010 Rating | Kay Thanks Kay, and she is right, please keep the bad language off of here. Thanks |
| Nov 22, 2010 Rating | Predator Fencing Hi Everyone, Sorry it has taken me so long to get back to this site. I have read all the posts ( sure were a lot ) Now to the subject of predator proof fencing for small animals. First off let me say there is no such thing as predator proof fencing. I know because I have been a rancher for over 30 years and have tried every kind of fencing there is. BUT we have had some luck with No-Climb Mesh wire with a ground cable tight ( really tight ) on the bottom and an electric hot wire mounted along the top on the outside of the fence. |
We all know that a coyote, raccoon, owl, hawk or even a bobcat will try to find an entrance along any fence that will give it access to an easy meal. Once a predator has found an easy way to feed it’s self( and it’s young ) the predator assumes we humans have provided it with it’ own private buffet. To be sampled upon any time it chooses. So here on the ranch when ever we catch a predator partaking of my chickens, ducks, small young geese or turkeys or any other animal we shoot it. Plain and simple for us. Not so for most of the rest of the country.
So here is my thoughts as to Caboodle Ranch and it’s efforts to protect the cats that are it’s charges. After viewing pictures of the fencing in question., The fence will not protect even the rats that are most likely availing himself of the buffet that is being provided for all predators and scavengers alike.
As to what kind of fencing could be used to protect the cats. The answer is there is no fencing of any kind that would prevent attack from predators. The only kind of situation that is of any practical value would be an enclosed compound such as a zoo would have for small animals. Cost for this kind of establishment is about $3 millions give or take $50k. Now since I have found that the evidence for and against Caboodle Ranch ever designing, implementing and maintaining such an establishment to be null. It is my considered opinion that Mr. Craig is not of sound mind and has visions of grandeur without the resources or the knowledge to operated such a facility. So I deem he is nothing more than an animal hoarder and should be subject to all the laws in the state of Florida regarding animal welfare and hoarding. Buy the way Where are all the Animal Rights people when you need them in Florida? Here in WA. he would be tared and feathered and we are considered to be a lenient state. All for now. Everyone Please try very hard to keep tempers as cools as possible, I know some of you are truly hurting for your beloved pets. Regards Kay
| Nov 22, 2010 Rating | HPR visit I read on another website that Celine with HPR had to cancel thier trip due to losing a driver. They have rescheduled another trip for 12/13 if I remember correctly. To read this go to Maine Coon Rescue site. |
| Nov 22, 2010 Rating | Letting all of you know… I have been copy/pasting all of this blog to my email and now have a copy of all of this if it should go down…. |
| Nov 22, 2010 Rating | has anyone dealt with………. has anyone else dealt with that big fat pregnant thing with the bull ring through her nose on CR face fook page! |
She is one ignorant trip!!!!!!!!!!!
Like a little snitch!!!
I had her squirming last night. “It” got all kinds of great, intelligent questions I posted deleted by reporting to “someone” and it WAS NOT NANNETTE ERICKSON or whatever her name is!
God, I feel sorry for that baby inside of her.
| Nov 22, 2010 Rating | the pregnat thing has anyone else dealt with that big fat pregnant thing with the bull ring through her nose on CR face fook page! |
She is one ignorant trip!!!!!!!!!!!
Like a little snitch!!!
I had her squirming last night. “It” got all kinds of great, intelligent questions I posted deleted by reporting to “someone” and it WAS NOT NANNETTE ERICKSON or whatever her name is!
God, I feel sorry for that baby inside of her.
| Nov 22, 2010 Rating | I love this…. I LOVE THIS sent to me from a face book friend: |
I do not wish to think or speak or write with moderation…I am in earnest…I will not equivocate…I will not excuse…I will not retreat a single inch…and I will be heard
-William Lloyd Garrison (The Liberator, January 1, 1831)
| Nov 22, 2010 Rating | to Carolyn Oh good Lord Carolyn. I am dying here. We both know the truth! |
HOW MANY FRIGGING TIMES DOES THIS GUY TELL YOU, I AM HIRING…, I HAVE FOUND SOMEONE…, I AM EMPLOYING THIS PERSON…, I HAVE HELP…, I HAVE…, I HAVE.., I HAVE…, I WILL BE…, THERE WILL BE…, AND I WANT TO HAVE 3000 CATS OUT HERE ONE DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What in God’s name does it take for these people to believe this???
Do they think we are making this up??
I can not count the times I tried to ask a question about things like how many cats are there out there, what about these filthy traler stories, etc. too long of a list…only to get F*****G DELETED AND BANNED. I COPIED AND SAVED MY QUESTIONS/REMARKS THAT THEY HAVE REMOVED!
He actually told me we WILL NEVER GET ALONG BECAUSE I CAN NOT SEE THE 3000 CAT THING COMING TO FRUITION! I HAD TO BITE MY TONGUE!!!
| Nov 22, 2010 Rating | unfor. not a single thing I am proud to come back and say that I wrote the unfor. not a single thing has changed…..i forgot to put my damn name to it! |
NOTHING HAS CHANGED
NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE
THIS IS THE DILLEMA HERE PEOPLE
HE WON’T CHANGE, HIS WEB SITE WON’T CHANGE
“THE ONLY CHANGE” IS FOR THE INNOCENT, A LOT OF THEM COMING FROM HEAVEN AND GOING TO HELL.
I AM GUILTY OF THIS. I WISH I COULD TRADE PLACES WITH THEM. I WISH THEY WERE ALIVE AND I COULD TAKE ON THE SUFFERING THEY MUST HAVE ENDURED. MY LIFE IS OVER.
| Nov 22, 2010 Rating | to Holly Holly they have not changed and who said they had? They didn’t let anyone into the trailers on Open House. Craig showed his filthy habits by throwing cat food cans onto the ground as he went, that is how he does and they stay for a week or weeks and flies come around. He doesn’t ever wash his hands. When he and I went to lunch I had to ask him “aren’t you going to wash your hands?”. He said, “oh yea, guess I better”. But that’s not even the worse part of it all. Watching him use things on the sick cats and going from cat to cat with the same thing going in their mouths and never stopping once to wash it or sterilize it. There is just too much to tell here. I don’t even believe the statements they made at Open House and if they are true about hiring 2 people to help Craig, how often? Every week? Every day? and how long after they start there will they too get fed up like everyone else and can’t take it anymore. Cause that is what happens. The only reason Nanette is still there is cause she brings cats to him. And some of her cats have been eaten or died, but some are still left, so she has an investment. Plus Craig pays for everything for her to come there. I am sure in her mind she feels she is helping, once a month she comes in and gives meds. God knows they need it when she does. |
| Nov 22, 2010 Rating | To Holly Unfor. Holly, not a single thing has changed. We are talking about missing cats from as recently as October. |
Also, nothing will be changing. He will ALWAYS work alone, destroy people who come there to want to help, lose their friendship, ruin their lives.
Someone tell me how that is going to change? YOU CAN’T CHANGE PEOPLE! They have to want to change. My last visit there On Oct. 29th, he told me HE WANTS NO ONE OUT THERE AT ALL. HE WANTS TO LET PEOPLE THAT INSIST ON COMING OUT TO VISIT TO COME ONLY ON SATURDAYS FOR 2 HOURS.
Does anyone hear dare to tell me I am MAKING THIS STUFF UP!!?? HE TOLD ME TO SHUT MY MOUTH AND LISTEN SO I DID, IT WAS VERY QUIET, HE SAID THAT IS ALL THAT HE WANTED TO HEAR.
He may not SHOW IT but he is overwhelmed and arrogant and angry, that adds up to insane!! They can not work together.
There IS NO HOPE for this place if he remains in charge!!
Here is what I truly believe:
nothing is going to happen
the ranch will remain there
people will keep bringing cats and he will take them
he will continue to meet people on street corners all over jacksonville and god knows where else and take cats back there
people will continue to drop them or abandon them there
the fence WILL NEVER STOP PREDATORS
the cats will continue to roam free outside the property all over the area
law enforcement, animal control, etc. will do nothing
CATS WILL CONTINUE TO SUFFER, DIE, BE TORN APART AND PEOPLE WILL CONTINUE TO COME FORWARD AS LONG AS THERE ARE BLOGS LIKE THIS AND CRY.
the blogs ‘like this’ will go away
| Nov 22, 2010 Rating | hoarding Dale, the way you have felt here is how I have felt on the Caboodle facebook page. Not all of them were hostile, but a couple of them were very juvenile- one man, in particular, who has since deleted his posts (apparently). |
I guess people can become emotional when defending something they believe.
If Craig truly is as stubborn as some of the people claim, then maybe there is no hope.
But if not, then maybe something can be done or is being done. I know how easy it can be to hoard animals. Often it starts out because someone doesn’t know what to and just wants to help. Have you ever gotten those links from groups that tell you everyday how many animals are being euthanized and show you pictures of each poor animal? It really is overwhelming and so sad. Sometimes people want to help so much, but then just create their own horror.
If that was the case at Caboodle, I hope they have gotten help and hope it is getting better every day.
I guess that’s all I really wanted to know. I just wanted to know how many animals they have now to get a good idea of what went on or what is going on. If they had a problem in the past, I don’t really think that should be held against them long-term. I mean, yes, it is horrible and should be acknowledged, but if they have truly changed then it can only help the animals that are there now and that will be there in the near future. I hope it just gets better and safer there.
I want to believe the best that is realistically possible. Of course, there are also terrible people who only play on the sympathy of others for monetary gain, but I hope that is not the case here. And I definitely don’t want it to be like the Tiger Ranch and others who seems like they initially tried to help but then things got insanely out of hand.
| Nov 22, 2010 Rating | Yay dale Thank you Dale for your nice comment that was cuss free. I like reading both sides of this story and your side seems to hav the least cussing. I’ve not yet made up my mind about which ‘side’ I’m on bc both have made excellent points. But thank you Dale for standing up for what you believe in even tho others may put u down! |
| Nov 22, 2010 Rating | Dale Dale, I am happy you have had a good experience at Cr, and that your kitties are safe. I DO believe there are problems at CR, although I have never visited, so can’t say for certain. I cannot dismiss so many reports from people who HAVE visited – the ones who have gone deeper than just a cursory “fluff” visit. |
At the very least, the fence is a BIG issue, the kitties simply are not safe there.
Additionally, Craig’s record-keeping (or apparent lack thereof; by his own admission, he keeps track of meds by “collars”)is a problem. I found it amusing to see so many collars on the kitties in the pics from the closed open house the other day. I don’t think I’ve seen so many collars in all of the pictures, totalled, previously.
From everything I have read (again, not having visited, this is from statements by Craig himself, either on the blog or on videos) – he does not have enough volunteers. Whether the number of cats is 200 or 600 (and that variation alone concerns me); no way, no how, can they be properly taken care of.
The “business model” which is in place is absolutely not sustainable. They simply cannot continue to accept cats there and expect it to work. Take a look at other, HUGE rescue organizations (Best Friends comes to mind). Even an organization such as that, with millions of dollars coming in and huge numbers of volunteers, has a limit to the number of animals they will take in.
And then there’s the issue of CR not being willing to adopt out any of the “rescues”. I’ve been involved in cat rescue for a few decades and have never heard of such a policy. It’s absurd.
The euthanasia policy at CR is also of great concern. Humane euthanasia is necessary sometimes to end an animals suffering. To not do so, is to think of yourself before the suffering/quality of life of the animal. Unacceptable.
I agree with your statements regarding some of these posts. Some are doing much more harm than good. I must say, tho – although attacks toward Nanette are uncalled for, she does CR a great disservice with her “holier than thou” attitude which comes across on her postings.
I look forward to hearing about your experience volunteering at CR!
| Nov 22, 2010 Rating | TALK ABOUT LOSING IT! BTW…just had my 83 year old mother go in 4 oral surgery to remove 4 teeth and while trying to park and having done nothing wrong but according to some skank in a truck I was cussed out, called a c**t, a dumb b***h, a f*****g* b***h, etc. by the most disgusting fat bellied, bleached blonde with dark roots, sucking on a cigarette, whorish looking woman I have ever seen. |
POINT: You pointing out the anger through some of this blog over losing their pets, 100% INSIGNIFICANT, JUST LIKE ALL OF YOUR REMARKS!
At least I know when to lose it!
| Nov 22, 2010 Rating | I also I also have a cat that after it getting out right away, disappeared, never to be found. I am receiving emails almost daily about CR and soon they will all be posted on my website, but for now they are getting posted on Caboodle’s Angels Group Page on Facebook. Check back there daily to read everyone’s stories. |
| Nov 22, 2010 Rating | DALE DON’T EVEN COMMENT ON MY SPELLING I TYPED SO FAST AND I AM SO MAD. HOPEFULLY YOU CAN FIGURE OUT THE TYPOS. HOPEFULLY YOU ARE NOT THAT STUPID. |
| Nov 22, 2010 Rating | DALE AGAIN OMG DALE!! I missed the “we” can work together. |
Who do you think you are damn it? You don’t know this man!! I have talked to him over 300 times. Are you even capable of simple math?
You believe you are going to go there and volunteer and change this guy? This creep did not want to use covered garbage bins around the property even in the 108 frigging degree MONTHS here this summer. He said no to FREE major things like HELP WITH FENCING, like FANS for cooling.
You make me sick!!! You don’t even know anything. WE, HOWEVER WHO DO WHOULD NEED 3 HOURS OF YOUR TIME TO EVEN TOUCH THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG HERE. You think you come to a blog where people are DEVA,STADED DALE, LOOK UP THE DEFINITION DALE, DEVASTED AND THEIR LIVES WILL NEVERRRRRR BE THE SAME, AND YOU CAN EVEN READ THIS HORROR AND STILL FEEL YOU KNOW ANYTHING!!??
YOU WILL SWITCH SIDES. IT MAY TAKE TIME. BUT YOU SWITCH. AND DON’T BLAME MY ANGER FOR YOUR PATHETIC EMAILS. BLAME YOURSELF FOR WEARING THE ROSE COLORED GLASSES LIKE SOME OF DID FOR SO LONG!
ALSO YOU NAUSEATING COMMENT ABOUT THE VET AND HER HUSBAND, YOU JUST DON’T HAVE A CLUE. YOU GET THERE AND YOU WANT TO HELP AND YOU FEEL OVERWHELMED! I WOULD HAVE LEFT TOO. HE IS SO ARROGANT YOU CAN NOT TALK TO HIM!!!! YOU BETTER GET SOME OF THESE THINGS THROUGH YOUR HEAD. YOU THINK THIS IS FUN FOR US?? GOING TO BED IN TEARS EVERY, SINGLE, NIGHT OF YOUR LIFE? WASTING ALL OF OUR PRECIOUS TIME WHEN WE WORK AND HAVE MAJOR RESPONSIBILITIES?
GOD, I CAN’T EVEN TALK AT YOU ANYMORE. YOU HAVE RUINED MY DAY.
| Nov 22, 2010 Rating | TO DALE DALE YOU ARE AN EXTREMELY SICK PERSON. I WOULD ACTUALLY BE VERY AFRAID TO MEET YOU. |
PEOPLE F****** CUSS WHEN THEY ARE IN DISTRESS YOU B*****!!!!!!!!!
YOU SHOULD HAVE HEARD CRAIG GRANTS MOUTH WHEN I SHOWED UP THERE AFTER THE BAS**** DID NOT TAKE MY CALLS FOR NEARLY 10 F****** DAYS!!!! YOU SHOULD HAVE HEARD HIM SCREAM AND CUSS AT TWO LITTLE HISPANIC WOMEN THE DAY GARY WAS DROPPING OFF CATS. GARY HAD TO LEAVE THE CATS YOU B***** EVEN THO HE FELT LIKE HE WAS WITNESSING HELL BECAUSE HE HAD TO DRIVE HOURS STILL TO A SEMINAR/MEETING FOR THE SALVATION ARMY. HE THOUGHT WHEN HE RETURNED HE WOULD GET THEM. BUT UNLIKE YOU B***** THEY WERE MISSING IN 5 DAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JUST WHO IN THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?? IF I EVER MEET YOU I AM GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOMEONE HOLD ME BACK FROM KICKING YOU A**!!!! TAKE THIS MESSAGE AND I DON’T NEED TO SAY WHAT TO DO WITH IT!!
YOU NEED TO GET YOU FAT A** DOWN HERE AND STAY FOR AWHILE CHECKING OUT THE PLACE AGAIN!..YOU NEED SOME SERIOUS DAMN EYE CARE THO FIRST!!!
YOU THINK YOU CAN COME HERE AND READ THESE STORIES AND NOT HEAR PEOPLE REAM YOU ONE!? AT LEAST WE DON’T DELETE YOUR SORRY A** COMMENTS LIKE THE HOARDERS ON CR FACE BOOK.
I SWEAR TO GOD THE NEXT TIME I’M IN NJ I AM GOING TO FIND YOU AND LOOK YOU STRAIGHT IN YOUR EYES AND MAKE YOU TELL ME WHERE MY CATS ARE YOU INSANE, ARROGANT, PSYCHOTIC, DEMENTED, A D S, A D D, S A D, BIPOLAR, A S S!!
YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN THROUGH A NIGHTMARE BECAUSE OF THIS MAN AND HIS “RANCH” AND YOU WILL FIND OUT WHEN IT IS SHUT DOWN. HOPE YOU CAN GET BACK IN TIME TO RETRIEVE YOUR PETS!!! BETCHA ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS THEY’RE NO WHERE TO BE FOUND.
YOU NEED TO STOP WRITING HERE BECAUSE YOU ARE REALLY UPSETTING PEOPLE.
IN FACT, I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU, YOU ARE MERELY IN DENIAL. ASK FOR SOME MORE PICS AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS!!
| Nov 22, 2010 Rating | Response I am Dale, from NJ, who took her cats to Caboodle in June. I told my story a few weeks ago,and I didn’t think I would be commenting again on the site, as the discourse is full of specious arguments, innuendos, and ad homenim attacks. |
What stunned me when I first commented on this site about my favorable experience at Caboodle, was the inability of some of the respondents to state his or her case in a clear, logical manner, using acceptable language. When you can only speculate and suggest possibilities and not facts to bolster your argument, it diminishes that case. And when you add that those comments are often made with crude, vulgar language, it further makes the remarks less credible. I think you will all get further along in your crusade, if you eliminate the ad hominem attacks against Nanette, whom I have not met. So juvenile and unnecessary.
As for Ann’s comments on Craig’s legal costs, I am a paralegal,and while some pro bono attorneys donate their services, they can request payment for fees, such as court costs, filing fees, research costs. Perhaps this is why Craig needed $5000.
I repeat that I had a great experience at Caboodle. I did sign a release, which was not covered in puke; I did speak to Craig about my cats several times after I left them, and, yes, I did get 2 pictures of my cats emailed to me by Nanette several months later. I don’t know who else got pictures, but Nanette said she was taking many shots to sent to others.
When I read some of the comments that are so vicious and sad, I fear for the writers and those who live with them. Some of the writers need psychological counseling, and I hope they can get it. And I hope the people who live with them and love them are safe.
I also have great doubts that the Animal Control office, Humane Society, local vets, newspapers, tv reporters have all colluded to cover up Caboodle faults. Does anyone have any proof of any of that? That is typical of some of the suppositions posted. You are all entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts. Please stick to facts, report them, and let us all decide. There may be things you are absolutely correct about–if so, let’s try to fix them. One of the writers commented about a vet who came down to help, thought the ranch was in awful shape, and left. Wouldn’t you have stayed and helped if it were in awful shape? I would.
And I plan to be volunteering there shortly.
My suggestions: ease off on the intemperate remarks, get proof of your allegations, and report them in an acceptable tone. We don’t need any more nastiness and division. We can work together.
| Nov 22, 2010 Rating | Ann the attorney If the attorney is working pro bono then why did Craig recently have $5000 in attorney fees to keep the place open? |
| Nov 22, 2010 Rating | Other People are coming out of the wood work I am getting 2 new people with stories a week. What does this say? Also remember what someone had posted about Tiger Ranch how the volunteers and people who seen the conditions complained and nothing or no one ever responded to them. That is how we feel. So how long will others let this happen? I have another story coming from the Open House, wait til you read what she says. She was on neither side upon visiting, but now has written me about what she seen, and it will blow you away. Also here is this that another person sent me this am, who does it sound like?: |
Do Hoarders Often Pose as Rescue Groups or Sanctuaries?
Absolutely. Research shows many hoarders are beginning to set themselves up as “rescue shelters,” complete with 501(c)(3) not-for-profit status. They may appear to be sensible people, persuasively conveying their love for animals and readiness to take those who are sick and with special needs. Furthermore, the Internet appears to be becoming a great tool for solicitation.
“When looking to place an animal, it is easy for a person to get seduced by a pretty website,” points out Lockwood. “We need to caution people to look behind the curtain before giving over an animal.”
Here are several signs that a rescue group or shelter may involve a hoarder:
· The group is unwilling to let visitors see the location where animals are kept.
· The group will not disclose the number of animals in its care.
· Little effort is made to adopt animals out.
· More animals are continually taken in, despite the poor condition of existing animals.
· Legitimate shelters and rescue organizations are viewed as the enemy.
· Animals may be received at a remote location (parking lot, street corner, etc.) rather than at the groups facilities.
| Nov 22, 2010 Rating | Caboodles Angels Web Site The problem with the site is being working on, it will not and it does not have malicious software. If you go to IE and load it you will see there is no problem. It is an issue that Firefox and Google have. Many web designers are furious over their sites being done this way. It will be resolved soon. But like I said you can use a different browser to access it or just click that ‘this site does not ‘whatever whatever’ malicous software. But it’s easier just to just a different browser. |
| Nov 22, 2010 Rating | Head Count Re: the head count, I visited CR about 8 times (possibly more) looking for my cat that Craig lost in less than 24 hours. Please know that CR was about 215 miles (one way) from where I was living at the time. It was an all day event, yet I was determined to find Emma. Because it was so far, I’d search as long as I could, hoping to find her that trip, and not have to come back. Each time there, I’d see all the new additions in dog pens. On one trip, there were about 12-15 adolescent orange tiger cats in one pen. I found it odd to see so many look-alike cats at one time! They were adorable and far from feral–I was petting them through the chain links, and they wanted out so bad. Sadly, the next time there, most of them were gone. Did anyone meet the “chemo cats?” Craig called them that, and jokingly commented on how weird it was that both a husband and wife would get cancer at the same time. They were both undergoing chemotherapy, and were paying him to board their cats at CR. He had them in one of those dog pens and they were very sick (skeletal with runny eyes and noses). I doubt they were sick when they arrived. Healthy cats would come up to to chain link and visit them, spreading the sickness around. I was told by personnel at one shelter, that Nanette goes around to various shelters and charges to take excess cats off their hands. She’s supposedly from NC, so it’s not just FL cats that die there. I also spoke to two women who trap feral cats. The one woman told me she couldn’t hear my concerns because “I took so many cats there, I would feel just terrible.” Who said 30 cats per week? I’m thinking more like 300. |
| Nov 22, 2010 Rating | cab. angels web site FYI: I’m having trouble accessing the Caboodles Angels website. It’s telling me that it has been designated an “attack site” and it will cause “harm” to my computer. I tried it anyway, and couldn’t get through. We have software on our computer that filters out harmful sites, but who determined this site to be harmful? Did someone file a complaint? Is anyone else experiencing this problem? |
| Nov 22, 2010 Rating | caboodles angels on facebook Can we please have everyone with a horror story go to “caboodles angels on facebook” and put it under discussions/CABOOODLE RANCH HORROR STORIES/EXPERIENCES. |
This is important. They need to have been experienced though. You went there for one reason or another and wish to let people know of your concern.
ty!
| Nov 22, 2010 Rating | still waiting…. ANYONE KNOW where Celine from HPR shelter would have posted her remarks from her visit? |
| Nov 22, 2010 Rating | still waiting…. ANYONE KNOW where Celine from HPR shelter would have posted her remarks from her visit? |
| Nov 22, 2010 Rating | TO Ann that is so sad Ann. I am sorry. |
there are a number of awful, awful stories now.
we need a pro bono attorney like cr.
you are right too, most def., i confirmed in the strangest was thru a client. she is pro bono alright.
maybe i should give her a call?
| Nov 22, 2010 Rating | TO Ann that is so sad Ann. I am sorry. |
there are a number of awful, awful stories now.
we need a pro bono attorney like cr.
you are right too, most def., i confirmed in the strangest was thru a client. she is pro bono alright.
maybe i should give her a call?
| Nov 21, 2010 Rating | oops–typo! Re: last comment, sorry about the typo. Betty said, “where else ya gonna take em?” |
| Nov 21, 2010 Rating | contacting humane society There’s a shelter just a few blocks away. I’m not sure if its a Humane Society or an SPCA. Regardless, I contacted them a year ago. When I voiced by concerns, Betty, who works @ the shelter, replied. “We don’t take feral cats here; what else ya gonna take em.” Caboodle’s lawyer (Ann S.) is a college professor who does CR’s work pro bono. She should be ashamed of herself. She needs to visit CR and see first hand what’s going on. I DARE HER TO DO JUST THAT! If she truly loves animals, her efforts are being terribly wasted on Caboodle, and SHE’S BEING USED! With all the money they take in, for cats that vanish almost immediately, or are dead within a month, they could afford to pay for a lawyer. I met Nanette–when they were calling me onto the property, so they could have me arrested. She’s about 300 lbs. The money’s going somewhere–it’s surely not going to feed the vanishing cats. I know–that’s a pretty lame comment, but Nanette’s a lame person. My cat disappeared in less than 24 hours. Craig charged me an extra $60. (in addition to the agreed upon $200.) for leukemia shots and promised to keep her isolated until they took effect. If I hadn’t gone back, would I have ever known that CR pocketed the money, and my Emma would never even get the shots? Craig saw me as an easy mark and he wanted to suck just a little bit more money out of me. |
| Nov 21, 2010 Rating | HEAD COUNT as far as anyone can tell they have been contacted but will not be responding. i say everyone needs to keep calling them and demanding a head count or something! |
| Nov 21, 2010 Rating | numbers (without typos) (last post had typos) |
Has anyone contacted the Humane Society in their area? I saw that one of the Caboodle representatives said to do that. I might be able to try that tomorrow after work, if they have any later hours.
Caboodle said their number of cats is around 600, right?
I hope the Humane Society knows because I’d really like to be fair and get a count from both sides of this issue, but the people over at Caboodle seem like they only accept la la land.
I just really want to get that part settled. If there are only a couple hundred, that would seem way too little and indicate that they do, or at least did, have a problem.
| Nov 21, 2010 Rating | number Has anyone contacted the Humane Society in their area? I saw that one of the Caboodle representatives said to do that. I might be able to try that tomorrow after work, if they have any later hours. |
Caboodle said their number of cats is around 600, right?
I hope the Humane Society knows because I’d really like to be fair and get a count from both sides of this issue, but the people over at Caboodle seem like they only accept la la land.
I just really want to get that part settled. If there are only a couple hundred, that would seem to way too many and indicate that they do, or at least did, have a problem.
| Nov 21, 2010 Rating | Yes, we counted as mush as we could The most important thing I forgot to metion to you all.. yes,I do have approximate number of cats from all of our 3 visits. The first time in late August, I would say there should not be more than 200.. The second time in early September, it might be around 150-200 (could be the most). The previous time in mid November, we might have only seen 75-100 cats. We did walked around thoroughly in all 3 visits. This is counted by 2 human heads between myself and my partner. The numbers of thse little lives are always important for me as any human being . As CR posted in their page. if these cats aren’t not treated like animals, they all should have a proper headcounts, proper intake, release forms as this is a donors dependent Sanctuary, proper medical records and proper living arrangements rather than let them out in the woods.. Anyone who has simple common sense will know.. In person, Craig never ansered the counts more than 300 if you asked him at the ranch. But on tv clips and the web page the counts is as …you know? Minimum 30 cats per week times 52 weeks = 1560 cats a year…. Where do they all go? Extremely sad situation for those poor babies. |
| Nov 21, 2010 Rating | ty Holly i have been sending this page and the following to many who have commented on CR FACEBOOK some get mad and some ask questions so i send this : |
well for one i took my 3 babies there and they were never seen again. i am sick. now stories of more like this are coming forward. we have to save the kitties there. we are trying and theg the group against is growing. it is difficult. there are somany cats missing. can you not understand this? the neighbors say it is a coyote feeding ground. the fence is improper. the babies get very sick. he is a one man show. rare volunteers. there is just so much you don’t know.
can you not see that this is ABOUT THE CATS. not the people. we can not make a mistake about this. it is serious.
where do we all go from here? has the woman, Celine commented anywhere about what she saw?? She runs the hurrican pets resouce something?? sancutary??
Celine from HPR we need to hear from you hear please!
| Nov 21, 2010 Rating | To Holly Thank you ,Holly for your consideration and righteous comment in here. I read you comment in CR and all 23 responses. Thanks for staying so unbiased with wisdom and intelligence.If most people are like you who can think clearly with eagerness for truth, Effienciently we can help these cats who are atually sick and dying and dined by coyotes.We have been there 3 times and we have seen the worst with actual facts. Please contact any of us if you would like to know more who have been there and we all have only concerns for the cats who are suffering so painfully without any records of any kind. Thanks again. |
| Nov 21, 2010 Rating | Cat numbers Holly, just look at some of the old pictures on the Caboodle Ranch page, and then take a look at the pictures they took at the open house. I can tell from looking at these the numbers are drastically less. Like others have stated, where are they? Dinner for coyotes, sick and died from disease? I guess we’ll never know. And yes I agree they should be held accountable for these cats! |
| Nov 21, 2010 Rating | mysteries To me it is still all a mystery, but I still really want to know if anyone tried to count the cats while they were at the open house? |
Why is that such a terrible thing to ask? Shouldn’t we all be held accountable in life? It makes no sense to me.
Honestly, some of the people on the Caboodle Ranch Facebook are downright mean and I don’t think they are helping the Caboodle cause at all. They act like zealots. Some of them come across as not very bright because they automatically take offense just because you are not a die-hard fan.
It’s kind of suspicious and makes me, and probably others, too, want to contact other help or organizations in that area.
| Nov 21, 2010 Rating | ty for that believe it or not i am an angel too 🙂 |
i am a member anyway 🙂
| Nov 21, 2010 Rating | 🙁 another horror story people has come to light… |
i swear to God they get worse and worse.
| Nov 21, 2010 Rating | CR There are people with Caboodle’s Angels that you can find out how it went. One of our Angels you have met can tell you ‘my kitties’ about the Open House. Please keep her confidential. |
| Nov 21, 2010 Rating | favorites sorry…i will read it tomorrow…5 a.m. now and could not sleep…i need to scroll through but i am tired. |
i do no you can quote this, craig has favorites which i suppose is fine, but i do not agree with the hpr rescuer who says running over them can happen, it happens.
it would not happen at my sanctuary, and i use that word losely.
| Nov 21, 2010 Rating | waiting to hear… Who went out there and can report on the condition of where these cats are treated? Or how they are kept warm/cool? |
If it’s trailers what did they look like?
Is there a sterile/sanitary facility?
Were there sick cats or not?
I agree, BIG QUESTION, how many cats are there?
Thanks on the fence report Penny! Horrible news! So it must be a coyote feeding ground?
What can be done?
Any one know how many reps of rescues were there?
Is it just one single person who is going to have one single opinion? Penny, did your husband chat with anyone while there?
| Nov 21, 2010 Rating | to my kitties No one said that Craig’s favorites were the ones that were alive. You need to read that again. |
| Nov 21, 2010 Rating | the fence If the fence is not the right fence and this place did install the right fence, nothing gets in, nothing gets out. What happens to all of the cats that are outside the fence? |
Who is going to trap ALL of them and put them within the fence. What will that do to the relationship of the cats within.
Also, I personally am hoping to hear about how many witnesses found out at the open house just exactly how many cats are out there.
250, 300, 500, or 600. How in the heck can there be this kind of a huge discrepancy?
Who is made responsible to answer this question?
Is it just me or is this not really crucial?
| Nov 21, 2010 Rating | corrections sorry, just trying to keep it honest. |
i checked my calendar and my last time out to cr was friday, october 29th. karate kid probably had his surgery on Monday, November 1rst.
joe was there on the 13th when he saw all the bugs swarming the baby’s leg. so maybe the kitty did rest for a week or more. and maybe the vet said to let him move around if he wanted to, it’s the bug thing that weird’s me out.
| Nov 21, 2010 Rating | KARATE KID BIG CORRECTION ABOUT KARATE KID! |
GRANT TOLD ME ON NOVEMBER 5TH!
THIS MEANT THAT AFTER NOVEMBER 5TH PROBABLY MONDAY THE 7TH THE OPERATION HAPPENED AND HE WAS OUT THERE LIKE THAT ON THE 14TH!!!!!!!!!!!
| Nov 21, 2010 Rating | for Penny TY TY TY and your dear husband. |
Before I respond, I am sorry for cussing again.
But since I did, after just reading your comments, it could never express my true feelings. Michael will remove this thread if I let go.
This is such a sad day…I had a long talk with someone there last week with his family, in fact his story is here now.
He told me about ‘karate kid’ the very dear sweet cat out there who had a bad front right paw. Craig told me on November 5th he was going to get his leg amputated. On November the 14th, Joseph told me this cat was out there SURROUNDED BY BUGS AROUND THE AMPUTATED LIMB!!!!! I am in tears right now!!!!!
I said you have got to be kidding, he did it and the cat is OUTSIDE!!!!!!!!!!????????????
He said it did not look nearly healed, maybe infected, etc. I started to cry talking with him many times. We talked for an hour and he told me more, most I knew from going out so many times.
He told me an unbelievable story of both he and his sister-in-law trying to go out there at the same time and that this bitch Nanette said no to his sister-in-law but yes to him. He said he led Craig Grant to believe that he was bringing 6 cats to him!!!!!!!!!!
When they arrived Grant asked where the cat was after they waited and looked around at ALL THE CATS OUTSIDE THE FENCE WHERE YOU PULL UP, not happy with a lot of their conditions, to which his wife replied, we didn’t bring you any cats, our cats are all at home safe and sound.
What in the hell do you think of that one!!?? Trying to snatch up a few more just before the “open house”!!
ty Penny and your husband for all you have said and done. I don’t know how I can go on like this. I miss my sweet babies so much. I feel sick.
| Nov 21, 2010 Rating | open house My husband went to Caboodle “open house”. I would have gone as well, but had to work. He was not allowed access everywhere. As expected, the place was cleaned up for the day. He said the place was “cute” and that Craig had done a good job with “marketing”. The most publicly visible parts of the fence are 5 feet high with 2 strands of barbed wire on top and the bottom has rebar driven into the ground. Where the ground is uneven, small branches and limbs have been placed at the bottom of the fence, but, that coyotes could easily pull them away to crawl under the fence. He said there is fence around the property “as far as you can see”. He was able to view other parts of the fence that are only 4 feet high with no barbed wire on top and loose at the bottom. I asked him, in his opinion, was the fence coyote proof. He said, “No, no way near”. Another rescuer wanted me to ask my husband, if he thought Craig would accept any guidance or advice about making the fence better. My husband said that Craig is not going to accept anything from anyone. There was one cat that he saw, that obviously did not feel well. Nanette said this cat had just the day before, had a front leg removed due to cancer. My question was, why was this cat outside with all the others and not recuperating from surgery elsewhere in a safe comfortable place? The coyote problem was discussed and Nanette said there really is not much of a problem. Since the main issue with me has always been the coyotes there FEEDING on the cats, I can’t even express myself in a professional manner. The ignorant, gullible people that were there that will only see the “cute” and not realize that the cats are STILL NOT SAFE. They are in danger of being EATEN every night. |
| Nov 21, 2010 Rating | WHAT THE HELL…….. THIS IS RIGHT OFF THEIR FUCKING WEBSITE, COPIED AND PASTED TODAY ON NOVEMBER 21.2010: |
The situation is that all newcomers have to go through an ‘adjustment period’ of about 4-6 weeks, sometimes less sometimes more, it just depends how well they are adapting to their new lifestyle, before we can release them, into the main herd. This time frame is SO important for a new cat to feel safe and secure and know and trust Craig, eat and drink on their own. They are watched very closely so that they are happy and settled in. But we can never ever let anyone out too soon in order to make room for more. So we HAVE to wait until we have space for new cats. So it does slow down the intake of more cats and we apologize for that.
WHAT THE HELL DO I NEED TO DO TO MAKE A CASE HERE? AM I INSANE??????!!!!!!! AM I NOT READING THIS RIGHT???????? WHO THE HELL IS GOING TO HELP ME AND ALL THE OTHERS WHO HAVE BEEN LED TO BELIEVE THIS SHIT!!!!!
IF YOU DON’T CARE ABOUT ME BECAUSE I TOOK THEM THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE, FINE, KEEP IT TO YOURSELF, BUT FOR ALL OTHERS, TELL ME HOW THE HELL YOU THINK THIS IS OKAY OR ANYTHING EVEN CLOSE TO OKAY??!!
WHAT THE HELL DO THOSE STATEMENTS THEY MADE MEAN LEGALLY FOR THEM??? WHO THE HELL IS GOING TO SAVE MY CATS????
| Nov 21, 2010 Rating | WHAT THE HELL PEOPLE!!! Well so far from the pictures I saw, which break my heart because I know some of the kitties, proved even less than nothing! |
Firstly and most importantly, to me, I did not see one of my missing 3!
Next…coyote proof fence!!!!!!!! My ass!!??
Next…600 cats!! My ass is just not big enough for me to say my ass to that one!!!
So, conclusion, more pics of some of the kitties out there, many missing, probably dead, nobody caring for them now, no guests asking where they all are, no guest asking how the coyotes are prevented from getting all of the wandering kitties off the poorly fenced area!
Did one of them knock on a neighbor’s door? I doubt it!! BTW people the neighbors, hold the truth. But guess what and you won’t believe this, they have tried to complain to no avail.
I do need to comment on one stupid conclusion someone here makes, that craig’s “favorites” are the ones that are alive!!! that is complete bullshit. The cats that are there, for how ever long they last there, even some from the beginning are just damn lucky cats. Either too smart or too stupid to know any better. They are the ones not too scared to run, they are the lucky ones that have avoided dying yet from contagious diseases, they are the ones getting any care at all because they just simply hang around…so I guess it is just one big cat lottery!!! Craig has RUN OVER AND KILLED some of HIS FAVORITES!!!!
This place is a shot in the dark, roll the dice, hope and pray, and keep your fingers crossed nightmare!!!
If I can find a lawyer that would even take my case, of which I am quite sure has never existed in the law books from the beginning of time, and somehow sue to get my babies back, I would pay him every last dollar I have. But it is never going to happen.
From all the pics so far not one of mine has won that long shot, no trifecta here! I was bamboozled into believing they were going somewhere, like all of these clowns described so far, that is just so fantastic, luckiest place for a cat to live out it’s life at, so safe and wonderful but that for some unknown mysterious reason, just did not apply to my kitties.
| Nov 20, 2010 Rating | to anonymous about the spies Who said anyone had spies? You are the pathetic one for taking people’s words and twisting them. Grow up ok. |
| Nov 20, 2010 Rating | yep Yep Nanette’s days are numbered. There have been over 5 people whose cats got out within the first 2 weeks. There are more than 12 people now who have seen the horror there. Craig says he has hired 2 people, but is this full time? Once a week? or what? He won’t be able to pay for Nanette’s plane tickets if he does that or all her meals and stuff. We knew everything was going to be hid and cleaned up. Did anyone find out if they got to go inside the trailers? We are have someone who verified the fence is not coyote proof. And we even got pictures! |
| Nov 20, 2010 Rating | Spies? Spies at the open house? Really??? Hahahaha! You all are pathetic!! |
| Nov 20, 2010 Rating | Go back to Wasila, Liar Nanette should just go back to Alaska and hide. She should be very afraid….Hell is coming out to get her for constant lies. |
| Nov 20, 2010 Rating | ? I do hope and pray that Craig will get on the right track with this place. This is all we wanted from the beginning. But I find it very hard to believe that it will happen. |
| Nov 20, 2010 Rating | Just as we figured Ok, got the first report in about the so called open house. They kept everyone together and anyone who tried to wander from the group was stopped. The area they were in had fence with bob wire on top and some enforcement at the bottom. But one of our own got to go elsewhere when Craig was not paying attention and as usual the fence was only 4 ft and nothing at the bottom. Still waiting to get the rest of the reports from others. We expected it to be clean and pretty today. Also, Craig “says” he hired to guys to help him. Well, seeing is believing and hopefully they won’t be another Nanette who hides things. Also Nanette stated today that there is no coyote problem, BS BS BS |
| Nov 20, 2010 Rating | DO THE MATH There are lots of animal lovers out there who would like to help more than one could handle. But to have more than 600 cats as CR claimed (not without facts and records of any kind of couse, this is without the death ones) without formal education in this field, intelligence and empathy, they are doing more harm than good. That nice gentle man, Joseph and his family from St. Pete did not lose any cat there. But they are sharp and caring enough to see the horrendous situation for the cats right away.So no one cannot say that there are 2 people lost cats and raging here. Then again, do the math, at least 150 $ per cat dropped off with no expenses to follow up or care…At least 30 cats a week, in a year it is 1560 cats times 150+ donations… 234,000 $ a year at least tax free,,,not so bad for them so they can fly around like they are big shots while the cats are dying of diseases without efficient medical care and dined by the coyotes. They are making more money out of sufferings of these cats than lots of us could spend rescuing those kittes. Why is this world allowing this? People, try to see the factual truth in these comments and Caboodles Angels pages contrary to self centered commercial like responses from CR. |
| Nov 20, 2010 Rating | roaches Let’s not forget that Craig sprays roach spray all around the sick babies. We even have a picture of his counter with garbage on it including the bug can spray. I even told him it wasn’t good to spray that small trailer for those bus with the sick babies in it. He didn’t care about what I had to say. |
| Nov 20, 2010 Rating | NOn one else here is more deceitful than you, Nannette and Didn’t they say that “Where cats are not being treated like animals” in their page. Now their statment said it is a cat zoo….. More lies and deceits.. Nanette and Craig will only understand how those cat felt once the grizzly bears drag them and ripped them apart while they are still conscious. You two very greedy and sick people at CR. When will you become aware of what have you done to these poor animals? |
| Nov 20, 2010 Rating | just another post about the statement Like Pennie said, who has more to lose here by lying? WHO? WHO? WHO? We know who. And why in the world would I want to go through all this aggravation just to tell a fabricated lie? I have lost sleep and weight over the disstress it has put me under and I am not alone. I know at least 4 of have. They can call us crazy, disenters, or whatever, but the truth will prevail. And I hope everything that has stuck up for those liars can sleep with their selves at night knowoing every night that goes by more and more cats died there. I saw a total of 8 die in 8 visits. And then on that statement they act like the cats brought to them are not healthy or fat, what a lie!!! When are they going to stop? God is watching and I don’t believe he sent me there those 4 weekends for nothing and to see what I seen. Go there with your cats, leave them at CR see if you can sleep or eat at night after leaving there and seeing how it is. I feel so sorry for the cats that are brought there, most will never been seen again. I truly believe Craig has his favorites int he center and the others he doesn’t care too much about so they are to detour the coyotes from the center. Who knows how a hoarding mind works. |
| Nov 20, 2010 Rating | CR statment part II They will tell stories of dead cock roaches in the buildings and call it filthy. Well I have them in my garage, and my garage is far from filthy. These buildings are in the woods. There will be bugs that get in… and cats that will kill them. And when volunteers arrive, they will sweep them up and throw them away. |
They say dead cats are disposed of in the dumpsters. If you’ve ever read any posts from Craig about the death of one of his cats, you’d know that would never happen. There’s a cemetery for them. It’s very clearly shown in photos in our photo galleries.
They will take a picture of a skinny cat and call it neglect. People don’t bring us the Garfields of the world. They don’t come to us fat and happy.
They will complain of the smell. Caboodle is a cat zoo… there are hundreds of cats! It certainly doesn’t help that we get people’s house cats that spray and/or don’t know how to use a litter box.
Two people are irrate because they left house cats at Caboodle and can’t find them. They leave them there and then decide to come back for them because they changed their mind.
When a cat’s time in the receiving area is done (break-in time) they are let out to roam with the others. Some house cats do not warm up to the idea of suddenly being dropped off in the middle of hundreds of other cats, and they’ll often run off and find a quite place of their own to hide. Craig calls them the loners, and small log cabins are placed on the outer edges of the property for them. (Yes, food is left for them too.) Do we know for sure if this is what happened to them? No. But it does happen.
The biggest difference between Craig and the people who are trying to bring him down, is that he is tirelessly trying to make a difference and they are relentlessly slandering, harrassing and recruiting.
No, Caboodle Ranch is not 100% perfect. I’ve never been anywhere or met anyone who was. Will we continue to try to make it better? Absolutely. But we’re not dillusional.
Are the “dissenters” mentally unstable? Well… I think that question has already been answered.
| Nov 20, 2010 Rating | Here is the statment they made Part I (more lies) Stray cats are safer at Caboodle than they are wandering streets or neighborhoods. They have shelter, food, shots, and as mushy as it migh…t sound, they have love. A permanent home. They’re used to outdoor living, but at the same time, they have warm shelters to climb into when needed. FeLV/FIV are safer at Caboodle because they have a chance at life. They’re in large kennels with lots of comforts and plenty of room to roam. These are cats that would normally be put down. |
Is Caboodle 100% perfect? Absolutely not… but through donations it’s continually getting better. It’s been a learning process.
You don’t know about coyotes until a coyote comes around. What happens then? We rally for donations to build a fence.
(Then what happens? People complain about the fence. It’s not strong enough, or high enough, it’s not the type of metal it should be, it wasn’t built fast enough.)
The thing about the “dissenters” is that they’re not running an animal shelter/sanctuary. They have no idea of the trials and tribulations, but they’re very quick to pass judgement.
They will post a picture of litter on the floor (before volunteers arrive to clean it) and then claim it’s unsanitary.
They will post a photo of a dead cat in the woods and claim it was abuse on Craig’s part. (“Cat killer”)
This, a cat that may have been old and wandered off to die, or bitten by a snake.
| Nov 20, 2010 Rating | Caboodle Ranch Statment FB Caboole Ranch posted a statement on their own behalf. Again I TELL YOU THEY LIE. How long will they continue this charade? How long will they be allowed to? Cockroaches they say? Those are palmetto bugs and there are thousands and only in 1 trailer due to the AC leaking into the trailer, Something that could be fixed! They crawl all over the sick cats every night in and out of their cages. Sickening. They say that we know nothing about running a sanctuary, well guess what? Neither does Craig! Holy Moly! Photo of a dead cat? Bitten by a snake? Not quite my dear, do the research, that cat’s lower body was eaten that way because that’s how coyotes do the smaller animals, below the rib cage. I found a dead cat in a garbage bag while there too, so maybe Craig burys some of the cats, but not all. The only smell I complained of was the smell of the dead animals. Which was two seperate times there. They try to say that the cats that got out where already done in their receiving time THAT IS A LIE, some people returned the next day to find their cats gone. Also it is not just 2 desenters as they call us there are about 12 or more??????????????????? So people wanted more witnesses and everything, and now that others are coming out and telling their stories, they still don’t want to believe us!! to be cont. |
| Nov 20, 2010 Rating | New Thread? This is a response to this comment some way down! |
APPEAL TO MICHAEL
by: A New Thread?
Michael,
Can you begin a new thread so that all who are wishing to take a stand have a place to continue connecting?
It looks like this thread is slowly bringing things out of dark about CR. What no one knew is how many people have a story about this place by experience.
Maybe it can be called Caboodle Ranch Experiences: Stories from People Who Have Been There.
thanks!
RESPONSE:Yes, I could do that but in my experience people stop when a new thread starts. It sort of breaks the continuity.
What I’ll do it let this run for a while and then start a new thread. That may bring this discussion to a natural and gentle close.
Anyone cat start a new thread, though, by writing a new articleand people can comment on that.
| Nov 20, 2010 Rating | Just felt like writing cont… Tonight as I read through two horrible stories of others who were there recently, I felt like coming here to let you know how horrible I was feeling again. It was so difficult always watching everything you say and hoping you can keep being allowed out to look one more time. |
I continued to be severely depressed for weeks after bringing my kitties there and it was very painful, looking and never finding them. The first time I returned, 12 days later and two were already gone, I think leaving my third with the hope that they would find one another and all show up and I would come back to get them was an illusion. Something like my mind playing tricks on me. I will never know why or how I did that.
I can not describe my guilt and shame and sadness. I am not in the severe depressed state of complete hopelessness and despair anymore but I am still beyond the normal blues. I can not tell you what this has been like for me and my poor 83 yr. old mother. Our hearts are broken. And I have to live with it until I die. She is also very tired of existing and it is very upsetting but I did that to her for almost 8 months.
I am so sorry my little loves, my baby boy Romeo, my sweet, sweet, Tinkerbell girl and my precious little girl Pumpkin. I want to die with grief.
I don’t know if I can go on like this. I just want them back. That is all that I want.
| Nov 20, 2010 Rating | Just felt like writing… I would like to describe my last time out to Caboodle Ranch 3 weeks ago yesterday, Nov. 5th, 2010. |
I had been going out regularly looking for my babies. I think this was a 10th trip and would be my last trip to the ranch.
I called Craig for 9 days and he would not answer. I got in my car and just went there, 2 hour drive, around 4 p.m. When I arrived he was there but the gate was locked so I took the key off of the tree and unlocked the chain and went in.
I called his name for awhile and as usual was surrounded with all the kitties that wanted my attention. Fast forward to Craig appearing and the following encounter ensued. He said something to this effect:
“what the f are you doing here, how the f did you get in, what the f do you think you are doing, who the f do you think you are just coming to my home, how the f, who the f, what and where the f….”
I started to cry and tell him that he would not take my calls and I thought something had happened to him, I told him he knows I need to come out and search for my babies! I had commented on the fence a few weeks earlier and mentioned the volunteer who went out there being an angel that he lost. He was still furious that I had spoken to that volunteer who saw so much and got online with the Caboodles Angels.
I was told to keep my mouth shut while I was there…I went to eat with him, bought him dinner, came back to the ranch and did a couple of chores, and once again for a 10th time did not see one of my 3 babies. I did not talk much.
I would learn a week later that the neighbors consider his ranch a nuisance, with cats damaging property, coyotes being attracted to a feeding ground, they called it, and the continuous remarks of dead cats out on the fast road that turns into the ranches street, plus the way he acted and treated me the last time there, I made up my mind to come forward with my personal story. It was not easy.
| Nov 20, 2010 Rating | Pet detective The property records are very easy to research, and I have done so quite some time ago. I can’t recall the specifics and have no interest in researching it again as the whole situation disgusts me. If I recall correctly, I *believe* Craig had (6)5-acre parcels and subsequently sold off once parcel, showing (5) parcels remaining in his name = for a total of 25 acres. IIRC, one or two of the parcels had his son also listed as joint owner. |
Since they are a 501c3, it is also easy enough to research their IRS Form 990 filings. Ironically, I could only find a very brief form filed for one year (I believe it was 2007). I think these IRS-required yearly filings (which are, by the way, PUBLIC RECORD, and a 501c3 must give you access to their filings) would be very telling as to what exactly he does with the money that is donated. Frankly I was surprised to see PoC made a contribution to such a “sanctuary” (assuming researching the IRS 990, which you SHOULD do before donating anywhere, right??!)
If CR got shut down tomorrow it would not be soon enough. Cats are suffering there by the minute, and that breaks my heart.
RE: The Closed Open House tomorrow (today, actually lol)…I am certain it will be an organized group “tour” and people will not be able to freely roam. Don’t even expect that any of those attending will be able to “check out” any situations there. I suspect that is why the number of visitors was restricted; to keep ‘control’ of all visitors. You will soon see a bunch of the same fluff pictures: the cute little (expensive!) “kitty houses”, etc. and if any videos are taken, you will once again see Craig talk about how he is kitty savior of the universe. Amazing there have been *competent* people in cat rescue for many, many years who KNOW what the heck they’re doing in regards to rescue, yet a man who has no clue pops into the picture and is saving the cat world. Please, spare me…
| Nov 20, 2010 Rating | ANOTHER INVOLVED WITH CR I have a name of another involved with the web site for cr facebook. She has answered questions on behalf of Nanette. |
Paula Kaye…she is on facebook. Keep the name for future use.
| Nov 19, 2010 Rating | I Wish I Were A Pet Detective I have been watching the CR, Inc. page on face book. It would appear that it is NOT Nanette answering people through that link. That means it can only be his son or daughter. THERE IS NO ONE ELSE. |
Nanette answers through that kastlekat, blah,blah,blah address.
This organization needs to be checked out for owning so much land…30 acres, and yet utilizing only 5 or so for 600 + cats!! How can this be possible. I believe a detective may be a very good way to go to see WHO owns these lots and how they are being paid for if the cats are fenced in within 5 acres??
Again, I can not understand the puzzle here. But I am watching things. WHO KNOWS ANY ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS. Please respond. I would imagine 600-700 cats on a 5 acre plot is insane. Who are the people answering the face book stuff. Why did they pull off those interesting discussion pages?
They seemed to have targeted one person that volunteered there and saw terrible things. I remember as soon as it would swing against them suddenly the discussion page was GONE!
| Nov 19, 2010 Rating | I Wish I Were A Pet Detective I have been watching the CR, Inc. page on face book. It would appear that it is NOT Nanette answering people through that link. That means it can only be his son or daughter. THERE IS NO ONE ELSE. |
Nanette answers through that kastlekat, blah,blah,blah address.
This organization needs to be checked out for owning so much land…30 acres, and yet utilizing only 5 or so for 600 + cats!! How can this be possible. I believe a detective may be a very good way to go to see WHO owns these lots and how they are being paid for if the cats are fenced in within 5 acres??
Again, I can not understand the puzzle here. But I am watching things. WHO KNOWS ANY ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS. Please respond. I would imagine 600-700 cats on a 5 acre plot is insane. Who are the people answering the face book stuff. Why did they pull off those interesting discussion pages?
They seemed to have targeted one person that volunteered there and saw terrible things. I remember as soon as it would swing against them suddenly the discussion page was GONE!
| Nov 19, 2010 Rating | Department of Agriculture It is my understanding that in FLorida, if in fact coyotes are a problem in the area because so many feel CR has been providing them food for years and now it may just be that 100’s of cats have died there because of this that one is to call the Dept. Of Agriculture. This info came from a Floridian Animal Shelter. |
Division of Animal Industry
(850) 410-0900
•Assistance in animal rescue
•Emergency sheltering for pets and livestock
•Assist with obtaining emergency animal feed and water
•Health certificate waivers to expedite animal evacuation
•Veterinary care for injured livestock
•Public health concerns associated with animal issues
•Damage assessment for animal industry producers
•Lead response in animal disease emergencies
| Nov 19, 2010 Rating | VERY IMPORTANT INFO FOR THE AUTHOR Just wanted to let you know, that I KNOW THIS AS FACT and it was SPOKEN BY GRANT…that pond in your picture when you did your original article was so full of bacteria/disease and “the cats were drinking from it for a long time and getting sick.” |
THIS IS WHY IT IS DRIED UP NOW…..
VERY, VERY SAD.
| Nov 19, 2010 Rating | DATE CORRECTION ON THE CLOSED OPEN HOUSE (Wednesday, November 17th @ 12:57 a.m.) |
Caboodle Ranch, Inc: A reminder that our open house is this Saturday from 2 to 4:30. Sign up with Nanette at kastlekats@yahoo.com and come out to meet Craig and the Caboodles!
Friday, November 19th @ noon
Caboodle Ranch, Inc: Sign up has officially ended for our meet and greet tomorrow. Nanette is busy out at Caboodle Ranch decorating for the holidays, cleaning, and supply shopping for our guests. Technology is about 10 years behind the time when you’re in the land of the Caboodles, so it’s made it difficult for her to reach out to any late… comers!
For those who are already signed-up- we look forward to seeing you there
| Nov 19, 2010 Rating | HEY ENOUGH ALREADY/MORE THAN ENOUGH Hey MORE THAN ENOUGH BY ANONYMOUS…LMAO |
WHO ARE YOU REALLY? CLEVER NAMES THO…YOU HAD TO STOP YOUR KIDS FROM COMING HERE DID YA?? DO YOU HEAR YOURSELF? YOU CAN NOT WANT US TO SERIOUSLY BELIEVE THAT YOU STOPPED YOUR KIDS FROM COMING HERE BECAUSE A WOMAN FLIPPED AND THREATENED TO SUE PEOPLE THAT KILLED HER CATS???
IF I FIND OUT WHO YOU ARE I AM GOING TO PRESS CHILD ABUSE CHARGES AG. YOU FOR LETTING YOUR BRATS HERE ALL THIS TIME BEFORE ‘THIS BLOG’ TO READ THE OTHER ARTICLES?
TELL US MORE NOW….DID THEY ENJOY ‘KIDS KILLING CATS’!!? I DID NOT DARE LET MY KIDS COME HERE JUST SO THEY NEVER READ THAT ONE!!
SHAME ON YOU FOR BEING SUCH A LIAR AND STEERING THINGS OFF POINT!! SHAME, SHAME FOR TRYING TO KISS THE ASS OF THE PERSON WHO RUNS THIS SITE TOO, WITH ALL OF YOUR BS. YOU DEF. HAVE NO LIFE AND I SUSPECT NO CHILDREN EITHER.
PLEASE DO RESPOND THO, AS I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO FURTHER INTELLIGIBLE REMARKS FROM YOU. BUT MAKE SURE THEY ARE CONCERNING WHETHER OR NOT CR IS A CAT HEAVEN OR A CAT HELL. K? YOU TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF NOW!
| Nov 19, 2010 Rating | the vet I am wondering that too according to Nannetts’s Journal about the vet. How could they not see what is going on there as the professionals? I shall check into all of this as well. I just want these sufferings of those kitties to end ASAP. |
| Nov 19, 2010 Rating | ANYONE FAMILIAR WITH VET LAWS? Just curious if the vet involved with cr in Madison is following or say not complying in any way with some of these statutes. |
Sorry but they will have to be looked up here:
http://www.animallaw.info/ statutes/stusflst474_01_49.htm#s204
Licensure by Endorsement, Compulsory Provisions, and Impaired Practitioners
474.217. Licensure by endorsement
474.218. Repealed by Laws 1992, c. 92-149, § 53, eff. Oct. 1, 1992
474.2185. Veterinarians consent; handwriting samples; mental or physical examinations
474.219. Repealed by Laws 2000, c. 2000-332, § 12, eff. June 20, 2000
474.22. Repealed by Laws 1979, c. 79-228, § 3
474.221. Impaired practitioner provisions; applicability
Veterinary Records
474.2165. Ownership and control of veterinary medical patient records; report or copies of records to be furnished
Discipline and Hearing Provisions
474.213. Prohibitions; penalties
474.214. Disciplinary proceedings
474.2141. Repealed by Laws 1992, c. 92-149, § 53, eff. Oct. 1, 1992
474.2145. Subpoena of certain records
474.215. Premises permits
474.216. License and premises permit to be displayed
| Nov 19, 2010 Rating | CLOSED DOORS TO OPEN HOUSE The Devil is in the Details: |
Well the Caboodle Ranch Last Minute First Ever Open House has closed it’s open doors to all.
Not only was it an idea for them when they had a Miami Shelter coming to pay a visit to look around on that day and thus added it after the appointment was reluctantly given, but you had to email for permission to attend.
From there the doors have been closed as in no one else may come to the open house.
I therefore submit by intelligent observation that IT IS NOT AN OPEN HOUSE BUT A PRIVATE, BY INVITATION ONLY, 2 HOUR SHOW AND TELL THAT WILL REEK OF “LOOK HOW CLEAN AND PRETTY AND SAFE EVERYONE THAT LIVES HERE IS.”
This is a very sad day. I can only pray that the experts who will be witnesses on this day are smart, sharp, and determined to ask the right questions and demand to see every nook and cranny. They should also be going out all over the 30 acres and checking this “fence” joke very carefully.
Don’t forget it has taken about 7 years to fence in just 5 acres and then it was fenced in with improper fencing as of about 4 weeks ago.
Can you imagine what might have gone on with the huge mix of cats, the mix of their different personalities and fears if they could NOT have gotten out of only a 5 acres area, because by now there would have to be 100′ upon 100’s of them, more than he can handle of course, only to die at the jaws of a coyote or worse anyway.
Wednesday, November 19th @ 12:57 a.m.
Caboodle Ranch, Inc: A reminder that our open house is this Saturday from 2 to 4:30. Sign up with Nanette at kastlekats@yahoo.com and come out to meet Craig and the Caboodles!
Friday, November 19th @ noon
Caboodle Ranch, Inc: Sign up has officially ended for our meet and greet tomorrow. Nanette is busy out at Caboodle Ranch decorating for the holidays, cleaning, and supply shopping for our guests. Technology is about 10 years behind the time when you’re in the land of the Caboodles, so it’s made it difficult for her to reach out to any late… comers!
For those who are already signed-up- we look forward to seeing you there
| Nov 19, 2010 Rating | APPEAL TO MICHAEL Michael, |
Can you begin a new thread so that all who are wishing to take a stand have a place to continue connecting?
It looks like this thread is slowly bringing things out of dark about CR. What no one knew is how many people have a story about this place by experience.
Maybe it can be called Caboodle Ranch Experiences: Stories from People Who Have Been There.
thanks!
| Nov 19, 2010 Rating | TO GARY I AM WITH YOU EVERY STEP OF THE WAY… |
| Nov 19, 2010 Rating | attorneys Gary, I was directed to this link today, it is Animal Law Committee for Florida but was told that they also are some of the very best Animal Law Attorneys around. |
| Nov 19, 2010 Rating | I am willing Gary Floridapamela@att.net |
| Nov 19, 2010 Rating | If You Have’t Been There…… It is clear that everyone who has visited Caboodle Ranch thinks the place is horrible. Those who defend Craig and Nanette are either personal friends of theirs or people who have NEVER been to the Ranch. In order to comment on this place you need to have been there. PLEASE keep your comments to yourself if you DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE SPEAKING OF !!!! Craig and Nanette are sick sad people that need more help than we are capable of providing. God will see that they are punished for their crimes against these helpless animals. The only problem with waiting for God’s punishment is there will be many, MANY more cats subjected to the tortures of Caboodle. These people must be stopped. I am willing to spearhead a lawsuit to shut this place down. Is anyone willing to help?? |
| Nov 19, 2010 Rating | Story by Jose Part II Unfortunately we did leave monetary donations with the owner, Craig, who afterwards told us he spent $5000.00 in legal fees the week before to keep the place open. I’m sorry I left him money and wished I had brought food other supplies for the cats. He’s probably using the donations he gets for legal fees and not the cats! |
THE PLACE NEEDS TO BE CLOSED DOWN!!!!!!!
I would very much appreciate someone getting back to me as to steps that are or will be taken either make the place better for the cats or close it down.
You can reach me by email joesoblit@msn.com I’m not going away. I’m going to be a pest till someone gets back to me.
Thanks in advance for your attention to this.
| Nov 19, 2010 Rating | Story by Joseph Hello, |
I live is St Petersburg, Fl, which is an approximate 4 hour drive one way to your area. I had heard about Caboodle Ranch back in July, but waited till the weather cooled to spend a wonderful few hours with the beautiful cats and the surroundings that I saw on the Caboodle Ranch website. My sister, brother-in-law and myself drove to the Caboodle Ranch this past Saturday, 11-13. Between us we have 6 cats and are just all around animal lovers. The 8 hour round trip was not an obstacle for us due to what we thought we’d find. We were expecting to spend 2 glorious hours of loving, hugging, and playing with all the cats and kittens, but due to the heartbreaking things and creatures we saw, we didn’t spend more than 1/2 hour there. The situation is horrendous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’ve no doubt you have already received several horror stories about what is actually taking place there, but I just can’t sit back and not speak my mind in hopes something will be done to stop the cruelty that is going on. We only saw about 100 cats and out of them at least 75 looked sick. Many just skin and bones. Some missing eyes. Many missing patches of fur. One missing a leg, which must have been recently amputated, and the entire area where the healing was taking place was entirely covered in tiny bugs of some kind. All the cats were surrounded by gnats and are flea bitten. Many of the cats were either sneezing, coughing and had runny eyes and noses and since they all eat and drink out of the same places, whatever illness they have they pass to each other.
Some of them are frightened and just run away, but others crawl up your legs just begging for affection. So in spite of it all, we still managed to pick a few up and hugged them and heard them purr.
Thankfully we brought a change of clothes with us because I was fearful maybe one or two of them may have been sick and I insisted we change our clothes before coming home to our own cats. We stopped at the gas station right down the road and did a total scrub down and with anti-bacterial soap and changed our clothes. We were so upset we barely spoke all the way home.
We also met another couple there and chatted with them. It had been their 3rd time to the Ranch and they are disgusted too and have been in touch with you to have something done as well. They have gone back to see if anything has changed and instead of it getting better, they said it’s getting worse. My brother in law called earlier this week and was told he would receive a call back. This has not happened as of yet.
| Nov 19, 2010 Rating | We have a story from one of the complaintants We will be posting a story tonight that is from one of the persons complaining about CR and them telling what happened to them. The story was actually an email they had sent trying to get someone to do something about the situation there. The gentleman’s name is Joseph and should be posted soon. He is from St.Petersburg, FL |
| Nov 19, 2010 Rating | Thanks Pam Thanks Pam, well said:) |
| Nov 19, 2010 Rating | Comments I love comments and discussion and opinion and even arguments because it is what we feel. We need to express the way we feel. Thank you for them and participating. |
However, comments must be polite, reasonable and well argued, please. This is a high quality site so the comments should be in tune with that.
Also on a technical note after a while, if there are too many comments the page loads too slowly and I also have difficulty accessing the comments as they overload the server.
For the time being they can continue if you wish to comment but please moderate. I will have to close down comments here in due course, however. Passion is great but please don’t let it spill over into rudeness. I have bleeped out some words but may have missed some.
| Nov 19, 2010 Rating | A SUMMARY FOR MICHAEL AN APOLOGY: |
MICHAEL, I am reading these comments and can not see clearly. I want to say if some people are offended by my two posts I am sorry. I don’t know what my purpose is. I never wanted to have it shut down but I have found this is a very black and white area.
The summary of the thread is there are a lot of people who were mislead and this place is very rough for cats.
Those that see it say it should be closed down but worry about the babies there and their fate. Those that feel mixed about an absolute answer get bashed themselves because if you can not change who is running it and you will not, things will continue as they are. Tiger ranch went on until they found 7000 + dead cats buried there and many other’s dead and dying within the supposed shelter. What can I say. I am nobody. I am just a person who made a choice that I felt I had to do at the time and will pay dearly for life.
I have learned that from one animal shelter owner that there should not be domestic cats or kittens there in her opinion. CR is probably 70% domestic and many, many kittens have suffered there. I saw it every time I went. And then, they were gone. I know of two volunteers and I know them now personally, who saw this horror too.
Should it be closed down? I do not know. Is it CAT HEAVEN. A clear and definite NO. Is it CAT HELL. YES in so many ways I am sorry to feel this way about it. After all it is the last place I saw my babies.
I can not tell you of all of the stories I am getting from people who took their cats there and are just in so much pain. Some were only saving abandoned or stray or feral in sometimes very bad locations.
Stories where removing the cats from some of these places had to be done. Sadly, as with myself having taken on 3 abandoned babies that came to my door starving, I found out after the fact that there may have been better shelters if that is what some of us felt forced to do. I say may because I have not been to any of them.
I am guessing there are a lot of people, who like me were afraid to lose the permission needed to enter the the private property of this Caboodle Ranch so we could keep going out and looking for our cats for whatever reasons. Things do change for people.
So a lot of us kept quiet about what happened to us. I was told by Craig Grant and Nanette that I am the ONLY person who ever came back looking for their cats except for one woman who only wanted her donation back and not the cat. Personally, I believe that to be a lie.
Michael if you can remove my posts with the cuss words in it I understand. And I apologize to you and Elisa and others it hurt. I won’t do it again.
Please, if you have stories related to CR email me at floridapamela@att.net
| Nov 19, 2010 Rating | No need to shut down blog I agree, I really think the blog should continue with a note to watch the language. |
I truly believe that some peoples emotions regarding there cats have got the best of them. I think if I thought my cat was safe there and then found out differently I too might feel like I might go off the deep end. Emotions are very powerful and maybe this blog has allowed people to get there feelings out there and vent regarding Caboodle Ranch and not feel threatened. Certainly some of these people have seen something horrible and it has to take a toll on them, I know it would me.
| Nov 19, 2010 Rating | KIDS KILLING CATSkids KIDS KILLING CATS |
SATANIC CULTS AND CATS
Better not let your STUPID CHILDREN READ THOSE ARTICLES EITHER…THEY ARE HERE TOO.
HOW BOUT THIS…YOU CONTROL WHAT THE BRATS READ!!
OH I FORGOT, YOU CAN’T DO THAT TODAY THEY MAY SUE YOU.
ARE YOU PEOPLE KIDDING ME!? SOME PEOPLE HAVE NO FEELINGS. HEY UK, HAVE YOU EVER “CUSSED”? NO, RIGHT? TOO UPTIGHT FOR THAT I SUPPOSE.
I am in favor of free speech and anyone should be able to express their pain, sorrow or even happiness with any words they choose.
Michael if you remove this horror story over a bit of cussing you have ACCOMPLISHED NOTHING. Think about it. Someone in pain over your very story line is going to cause you to have to remove the story line making the very points?
| Nov 19, 2010 Rating | UK PERSON AKA ANOTHER UK PERSON people took there pets to this place because this place accepted them. they had no choice, something you have been lucky enough to know nothing about! these people did not overcrowd this shelter. the owner of the shelter did. |
you not have used foul language in your posts but you did not need to. i found them far, far more offensive than the word fuck.
and stick to the title. you are another one, just blabbing and from another country to boot!
lmao at you people and language. words to express emotions now insulting these losers when people who are here and are trying to describe that is hell or vote that is is hell from HAVING BEEN THERE ARE BEING BASHED OVER WORDS! PLEASE!
Grow UP!
| Nov 19, 2010 Rating | Still Waters Run Deep Take it down. Start it over. Warn about language. |
If you have the ability to just remove badly worded posts than just remove those.
It looks to be from what I read two posts with bad language from someone clearly disturbed by what this experience has done to her.
No need to not understand that. Just fix it.
Very simple solution.
Hope it helps.
| Nov 19, 2010 Rating | Michael has control I have no way to remove the comments. Perhaps Michael will. Once I submit a story it’s out of my control. For better or for worse. They are having an open house there this weekend. It could get interesting. The decision to stop the comments is up to Michael. |
| Nov 19, 2010 Rating | For Elisa sorry for the mispelling of your name :)Elisa |
| Nov 19, 2010 Rating | for Elysa I have a better suggestion. |
In my opinion, this is not even a topic for children and they should not be reading about whether people think CR is Cat Heaven or Cat Hell. No offense but when cat lovers, or cat owners, or some of the people coming out with their stories about their pets disappearing from this place that is cat hell. Again, information not for children. It is however a very emotional topic.
I do not think you should shut it down at all. It then defeats it’s original purpose. I suggest Elysa that you remove the comments that have foul language and go from there explaining and posting through out that no foul language posts will be accepted.
If it is possible for you to remove those posts than it is a rather simple remedy. I think.
And the link to the pictures where the shelter in that County was put up does indeed in my opinion look too much like CR. I have been there.
Which leads me to a question for the author. Why would the posts from people who have not been there even be added? Of course they could lie to say they have been there but it would at least put it into perspective concerning which one it is, heaven or hell, something the cats can’t really speak up about, but observers of their home, surroundings and safety can.
| Nov 19, 2010 Rating | I agree Time to close for now. We know more on what’s happening now. I don’t approve of ANY bad language as young people are reading and it’s not a good example for them. |
Should anything change concerning the ranch I’ll write and update everyone.
| Nov 19, 2010 Rating | I know! Thank you all those who are finally standing up to all this vulgar language. I was actually victimized and prosecuted for trying to voice my opinion ( read earlier posts) and they really put me down. They did the same thing to poor Cathy. Do they realize they are real people? Please, a moderator needs to close this down. |
| Nov 19, 2010 Rating | CATS are for life There is no excuse for getting rid of your cats. |
What is going on over there,rescue centres chock a block with them,thousands of cats and kittens unwanted.
You get a cat,have him or her spayed/neutered and that should be it for the cat’s life.
You should not get rid of your cat as long as you are living and breathing and you certainly shouldn’t ever get another if you have ever done that.
It’s irresponsible people who cause these problems of overcrowded centres and cause the distress and deaths of the innocent ones THE CATS.
| Nov 19, 2010 Rating | Disgusted UK My kitties whoever you are there was no need to use that vulgar language on here and I agree with Michael this wants summing up and closing. No wonder there is so much animal abuse in the US if that’s the way you think you can solve things. |
| Nov 19, 2010 Rating | More than enough Yes you are right. This just like the dog Sarge topic has descended into he said she said and scoring points. Bad enough but foul language on a site where civilised people come and our children come too is past all decency.I’ve had to stop my own children looking at PoC for now. Regulars inboxes full of dozens of links to this same page is irritating and isn’t fair on Michael’s hard work here. I’m sick of reading how people dumped their cats there like old rubbish on the slightest excuse. You DO NOT ever dump family members and cats ARE family! I just pray that none of you who did that ever have another cat in your homes because you don’t deserve to. |
Get out there in reality all of you and sort it instead of sitting at your computers.
| Nov 19, 2010 Rating | Sum it up I haven’t the time to read and summarise all the comments but I wonder if someone could kindly summarise this thread of comments. We can then close it. Just a thought. |
| Nov 19, 2010 Rating | Enough already Although I am sure the author had good intentions, this has become anything but a civil discussion. It’s more like a monologue with threats and insults to anyone who tries to voice an opinion other than one. Nothing is going to get solved here like this. Please, everyone, pull yourselves together. |
| Nov 19, 2010 Rating | to Hope, Truth and Light I want to say thank you for the kind words to Pammie. But let’s say this also, this is not all in Pam’s hands. Pam just now came out of the closet with her story. There are too many of us. And yes we can get an attorney together. And I do believe it is worth it. For one CR needs to fix their problems. Everyone is making Craig out to be some kind of saint and once they know the truth they are going to hang their heads. Even the stories on their site are false. I found one last night where it stated Craig bought the property for him to take his cats there and make CR. That is a lie. Craig and his son bought the property as an investment and when Craig’s hoarding tendencies got out of hand he had to have a place to take his cats, so why not to the vacant tree farm as they put it. Then someone came up with the idea, well if you are going to take others cats and people want to give you money, why not go 501c3? Craig is NOT A SANCTUARY, people are giving their cats to a Hoarder. Please understand hoarders are not just normal people wanting an excess # of pets. They have mental problems BIG ONES. And Craig fits the description perfectly. He won’t adopt out, he won’t let others in to help like he needs to, he thinks he is the savior to cats. He is sick. And Nanette took care of the site forever and lied to everyone to help get him money and more cats to kill. She needs to be prosecuted too. We, as in many of us, are getting an attorney. It’s not about just moving on, it’s about doing what is RIGHT FOR THE CATS whether they are dead or alive. |
| Nov 19, 2010 Rating | to Hope, Truth and Light I want to say thank you for the kind words to Pammie. But let’s say this also, this is not all in Pam’s hands. Pam just now came out of the closet with her story. There are too many of us. And yes we can get an attorney together. And I do believe it is worth it. For one CR needs to fix their problems. Everyone is making Craig out to be some kind of saint and once they know the truth they are going to hang their heads. Even the stories on their site are false. I found one last night where it stated Craig bought the property for him to take his cats there and make CR. That is a lie. Craig and his son bought the property as an investment and when Craig’s hoarding tendencies got out of hand he had to have a place to take his cats, so why not to the vacant tree farm as they put it. Then someone came up with the idea, well if you are going to take others cats and people want to give you money, why not go 501c3? Craig is NOT A SANCTUARY, people are giving their cats to a Hoarder. Please understand hoarders are not just normal people wanting an access # of pets. They have mental problems BIG ONES. And Craig fits the description perfectly. He won’t adopt out, he won’t let others in to help like he needs to, he thinks he is the savior to cats. He is sick. And Nanette took care of the site forever and lied to everyone to help get him money and more cats to kill. She needs to be prosecuted too. We, as in many of us, are getting an attorney. It’s not about just moving on, it’s about doing what is RIGHT FOR THE CATS whether they are dead or alive. |
| Nov 19, 2010 Rating | THIS IS A MUST SEE/LOOKS LIKE CR http://aldf.org/article.php?id=1513 |
| Nov 19, 2010 Rating | Suit Filed Over Extreme Animal Neglect cont….. In the Clay County complaint, Ms. Smith describes seeing filthy cages, dead and dying puppies, and dog food strewn amongst urine and feces. On at least one occasion, and possibly routinely, animals were left without food and water over the weekend. |
The County has refused to adopt certain dogs to the public, keeping them at the Shelter when adoptive homes are available. Stray and abandoned cats fare no better; nearly all of the cats have serious upper respiratory infections. None of these sick or injured animals have received any veterinary care whatsoever, and they are often left to languish in their cages until they die or are euthanized.
Over the past two years, ALDF has filed similar lawsuits against two other Kentucky counties—Robertson and Estill—that helped put an end to the abuse and neglect of homeless dogs and there. In May 2010, celebrated actress Ashley Judd joined ALDF in urging Kentucky Governor Steve Beshear to protect Kentucky’s homeless animals through tough enforcement of the state’s Humane Shelter Law.
| Nov 19, 2010 Rating | Suit Filed Over Extreme Animal Neglect … by Officials in Clay County, Kentucky |
November 10th, 2010
Decrepit County Facility with Sick and Neglected Animals Brought under Fire for Violating State Law
For immediate release
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Lisa Franzetta, Animal Legal Defense Fund
Clay County, KY — An outraged citizen is filing a lawsuit against Clay County, Kentucky today, taking the county to task for extreme neglect of animals at the county’s shelter, neglect that violates Kentucky’s Humane Shelter Law.
While the state legislature had provided the county three years (until July 13, 2007) to come into compliance with the law, the county remains in violation of much of it, to the ongoing detriment of both homeless animals and the residents and taxpayers who care about their welfare.
Lifelong Clay County resident Tori Smith came to the national non-profit Animal Legal Defense Fund (ALDF) for help, and ALDF attorneys will represent her, along with pro bono assistance from the Louisville law firm of Frost Brown Todd.
Why is Clay County in the dog house when it comes to protecting stray and abandoned animals? The Humane Shelter Law sets minimum standards that counties must meet in caring for their homeless animals, including operating (or contracting with other counties operating) animal shelters that provide for basic care, food and water, shelter, public access, and humane euthanasia.
Counties must also have a program allowing lost dogs and cats to be reunited with their families and potentially adopted when they are abandoned.
What should be a place of refuge for homeless animals, however, is more like a filthy prison. Clay County’s “shelter” is a woefully inadequate facility where many, if not most, of the dogs are housed in one large, open-air pen that does not protect them from the elements. Dogs are exposed to severe winter weather, including cold rain and freezing temperatures.
During the summer, animals suffer from the consequences of extreme heat exposure without required and medically necessary relief or ventilation.
| Nov 19, 2010 Rating | Search Warrants and Animal Cruelty A California Appellate Court recently joined several other jurisdictions throughout the United States by ruling that the “exigent circumstances” doctrine, which creates an exception to the Fourth Amendment requirement that a search warrant must be obtained before police officers can enter the property of another, applies to cases in which animals are suffering. |
An exigent circumstance is a legal doctrine which provides an exception to the search warrant requirement guaranteed in the Fourth Amendment and allows a police officer to enter the property of another without a search warrant in order to preserve life or property when swift action must be taken to prevent imminent danger to life or serious damage to property.
Without “exigent circumstances” or some other exception to the Fourth Amendment search warrant requirement, a police officer must have probable cause to believe a crime has been committed and must obtain a search warrant from a judge to enter a person’s property. Obtaining a search warrant is obviously a relatively slow process which is why the exigent circumstances exception was established.
In the California Appellate Court case People vs. Keith Chung, the neighbor of the defendant (Mr. Chung) testified that she called the police after hearing what sounded like a dog whining in pain. The police arrived at Mr. Chung’s door, Mr. Chung stated through the door that he had no dogs, but police officers heard a dog whine as though it was in pain.
Based on this, the police officers believed that exigent circumstances existed and immediately entered the house without a search warrant and found a dog badly beaten on the patio and a dead dog in the freezer. Both had suffered severe head injuries. The dog found on the patio was so severely injured that he had to be euthanized. The Court stated that the whining of the dog as though it was in pain created an exigent circumstance justifying the officers entering Mr. Chung’s home without a search warrant to save the dogs and prevent them from further danger. Mr. Chung, however, still has the option to appeal the case further.
While there are at least two other cases in the U.S. that I know of that are very similar to this, to my knowledge there has been no such decision made by the appellate courts in Florida. I will do further research to confirm this. I hope that Florida Appellate Courts, if faced with this case, would follow the ruling of the California Appellate Court.
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| Nov 19, 2010 Rating | ty for that Hope ty for that Hope. |
I have kissed butt, and bit tongue, I have shut up and tried to move on.
But the stories, rip open my wounds and the hurt and the sadness are just not going away.
I thought of getting another pet but I can’t. I just can’t. I feel like I need to be punished for bringing my babies there.
I want to imagine them scared and hiding. Or happy and hiding. But whatever they are, if they are not hiding than they are dead.
My depression has turned into anger and my anger is now depressing me again. It is just a vicious circle I can not break. I guess I am trying to break it in any way I can.
My mother is 83 and so depressed over seeing all of this. She told me tonight that she wants to die. I told her if she dies I can not go on. I won’t be happy any more for all that I have done. My 3 babies were as sweet as they come and I was unable to hang in there for them and my mother.
This is all my fault for bringing them there before I checked it out a bunch of times. I just didn’t have the time. It was a horrible time. And now I will pay with a horrible life. I’m sorry for behaving so out of control. It really is all my fault after all.
| Nov 19, 2010 Rating | For Pammie Imagine what it must take for someone to lose their temper to this degree! |
I guess when you figure your pets are dead you just give up anyway.
Sorry to see you lose it Pam…you will get an email from me about a visit I made there and decided not to bring my cat.
I wonder if you can sue them for something or you’re just hardening your arteries over a sealed fate. I really do understand, but now you have to be stronger than this for your cats. I totally believe in freedom of speech, 100% but they won’t care.
Get a good night’s sleep and fight the fight tomorrow. Maybe enough of people continuing to come forward like you have will create a story so big that an attorney will take it pro bono.
I think that is a very hopeful possibility. And I think you deserve it! All of you going through this hell. Hang in there! Sometimes there really is darkness at the end of the tunnel.
| Nov 19, 2010 Rating | TO NANETTE Just sent to NANETTE 1:27 a.m. |
you lying f*****g b***h
I am in tears!!!!!!!!
I was just emailed another horrible story about what people observed there and whose fucking cats you lost or killed!!!
They want to sue you too.
You were with them and they listened to your fucking lies. They said she must have thought we had a lower I.Q. then her.
You better find my cats or I am going to sue you and Craig!!!!!!!
You f****g liars, telling me nobody but me has ever f****g come back looking for my cats….you lying b****….meet the new Pamela!!
| Nov 18, 2010 Rating | to My Kitties AMEN! |
| Nov 18, 2010 Rating | FINAL ON CR AND NANETTE PLEASE NOTE THE WORD FERAL. This woman, Celene who I have spoken to goes on in this email to state she expects a lot of things to be shocking to the outside world but not to rescuers at this ranch and that she will be going to check it out on the day of their open house, which btw CR made happen and announced after she convinced them to allow her out there. It took her a couple of calls and she had to tell Nanette that it would make things look bad if they DID NOT ALLOW HER OUT. Once Nanette agreed, she and Craig announced an OPEN HOUSE TO COINCIDE WITH THIS RESCUER’S VISIT. Celene was not happy about this, but I fear her going there announced will not be the way to see all of the truth. But that is they way it will be done. YOU DECIDE WHAT IT MEANS. |
I am not sure that a THUMBS UP from her is not going to continue to hide the other truths about the place, period. Namely that it happens that cats escape their enclosures sometimes, and that is actually a quote from her. MY CATS were not CATS THAT ESCAPE THEIR ENCLOSURES SOMETIMES, THEY WERE MY FUCKING CATS, MY LOVES, MY LIFE!!
She also told me that this is not a place for domesticated cats or kittens. And, let me throw in that Craig Grant in all the times I asked has never, ever, ever, said there were more than 250 – 300 cats there, ever! So, this is something I am now adding about that!
This is something I captured and saved and emailed to people with Nanette’s answer, about how many domestic cats vs. feral cats are on the property asked by a 14 year old girl on CR face book page, named Samantha Logan. The child claimed to be doing a paper about CR for school. This is was “Nanette” said to her question:
Samantha Logan:
Hi, my name is Samantha and I’m 14. I’m doing an paper for school about Caboodle Ranch. Can you answer some questions for me? How many cats do you have right now? What percentage of your cats are domestic and what percentage are feral? I got lots of good info already just need a little more. Thanks, hope one day to come visit:)
Caboodle Ranch, Inc. (Nanette):
Hi Samantha! We have about 600 cats now. About 65% of them are domestic cats, about 10% feral and the rest were strays 🙂
(Nov. 12th at 9:11 p.m.)
ALL THE MORE THE NEED FOR SOME SERIOUS, SERIOUS, SERIOUS, SERIOUS, SERIOUS, PROTECTION OF THE BABIES BROUGHT OUT THERE. THEY ARE NOT ALL BROUGHT OUT THERE BY THEIR OWNERS WITH THE INTENTION THAT THE OWNER REALLY FEELS THEIR CATS ARE GARBAGE. MINE CERTAINLY WERE NOT GARBAGE. SO WHY HAVE THEY DISAPPEARED LIKE GARBAGE!? YOU TELL ME.
| Nov 18, 2010 Rating | MORE ON NANETTE AND CR From here, I am adding some really important things. This is an excerpt from the horrible “Tiger Ranch” story: |
DeForest first began hearing about Tiger Ranch while volunteering for a spay/neuter program. “I began to regularly hear of complaints about Tiger Ranch and that nothing ever came of ‘official’ complaints made,” she says. And while she heard a lot about cats being taken to the Ranch, she rarely heard of any cats being taken out. We “always heard that cats were going there rather than coming out adopted,” she says. “That didn’t make sense.”
I put this here because if you have not heard of Tiger Ranch you MUST GOOGLE THIS STORY AND READ IT IMMEDIATELY.
I wish to follow those remarks with this info:
From: CeleneA1@aol.com
Date: November 8, 2010 12:37:01 AM EST
To: MaineCoonRescue@yahoogroups.com, PawsofGoldFelineRescue@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [MaineCoonRescue] Caboodle Ranch.Please Read & yes crosspost.
Reply-To: MaineCoonRescue@yahoogroups.com
Dear Rescue World:
This is a bit long, but I ask you to please take the time to read it through.
As you know by now, there have been many e-mails circulating on lists,
full of comments about Caboodle Ranch Sanctuary in Lee, FL.
HPR volunteers have been at Caboodle Ranch in 2007 and at the time the
place was fine. When we were there in 2007, we saw one man that kept things together, otherwise we would had come right back with the 22 feral cats we sent….
| Nov 18, 2010 Rating | FYI Just to let everyone know, I have been in contact now with apprx 8 people with similar stories as mine. We do have a facebook page it’s called Caboodle’s Angels, we are a group and it is growing everyday. And my whole intention from the get go was like you said, to INFORM people when we never had the chance. We were MIS-LEAD. thanks |
| Nov 18, 2010 Rating | The Fence Thank you for correcting the 7 ft. chain link fence part of my story. It came off of his webpage. Does Craig want everyone to think the area is protected by a 7ft fence that doesn’t protect the area the website says? |
And please, no one kill themselves over this. This story was put here so we could get to the bottom of this in a civilized way.
Start a Facebook page for those who have lost cats at Caboodle. That would be the best way to deal with the grief this has caused.
I’ve done stupid things over the years and lost cats. Mostly by listening to people who told me cats belong outside in the great outdoors. We all learn from our mistakes. I keep my cats inside now.
Don’t beat yourself up for doing what you thought was best for your cats. This article is to keep anyone else from making an uninformed choice concerning Caboodle Ranch. I’m not there and am glad to hear from people at ground zero.
| Nov 18, 2010 Rating | J of A Yes we have all lost sleep and lost weight too. Myself I lost 15 lbs in 4 weeks while being at Caboolde over not eating because of the stress and worry of the cats. Trying to sort out what was happening there, seeing many cats die, hoping and praying for a better way or a better outcome that never happened. It’s people who are compassionate that this really disturbs. Has nothing to do with where the ranch is, it’s what is happening due to the person who is running it. And his little assistant should be ashamed for not sticking up for the cats. But she can’t because she has taken cats there and also made deals with Craig in the little houses that her husband made for him. Who knows what else. Craig does pay for her plane tickets and more. Wish that money would of fixed that fence sooner!!!! makes me upset to think about. |
| Nov 18, 2010 Rating | TO ANONYMOUS YOU ARE THE BEST. YOU DID POST THE MOST HONEST AND TRUTHFUL COMMENT. I admire you already. WISH MOST PEOPLE ARE LIKE YOU.Cannot wait to help saved these kitties.I am sleepless everynight thinking about all kitties lives out there being neglected and suffering. |
| Nov 18, 2010 Rating | Let em know the truth Anonymous!!! Hooray for you telling them everything, telling them the truth, and I REPEAT – NO ONE BETTER KILL THEIR SELF OVER THIS IDIOT! DON’T GIVE HIM OR ANYONE THAT PLEASURE, please? Yes it hurts, we all hurt. We can be here for each other. |
| Nov 18, 2010 Rating | TO CATHY Cathy just who IN A CAT’S HELL do you think you are? |
You are NOT ANYBODY! And you don’t belong on this site along with some others!
No one who comes here should be able to comment unless they have been to CR. Read the title you very unimportant person!
CR: cat heaven or cat hell?
HOW IN THE HELL CAN YOU KNOW IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN THERE? IS THIS COMMENT ENOUGH GOOD INFORMATION FOR YOU?
THE TARD WHO TOLD PEOPLE WHAT TO GO OUT THERE AND DO IS JUST WASTING TIME FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE TRYING TO WEIGH IF IT IS HEAVEN OR HELL. NOTHING it SAID HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE HORROR SHOW.
THERE ARE TWO CHOICES YOU SIMPLETON.
A. GET GRANT OUT OF BEING IN CHARGE
B. THE PLACE IS SHUT DOWN
Neither are good options!! Who the hell is going to take over the shoes of a hoarder? ARE YOU BIG MOUTH? AND LIKE HE WOULD ALLOW IT! HE CAN’T EVEN KEEP VOLUNTEERS!! THEY ARE ALL FREAKED OUT AFTER GOING THERE AND TRYING TO HELP!!
AND…..
Who really wants to see a lot of cats euthanized if not found homes? Do you really think taking care of a ton of them pregnant or crazy from living out there, or mangled, or blind, or missing legs, or with broken protruding bones, or infected and diseased eyes, or malnourished or extremely sad and unable to lift their own heads, yeah I have seen that last sad one there, is a tab anyone can afford to pick up!
I have news for you, that county is not happy about what it may cost them because what GRANT has caused!
1. he has created a coyote feeding ground..that is right from the mouths of neighbors. are you a neighbor beaatch?
2. he has created people who want to kill themselves? now that may be something you are capable of. and i hope he can be put in jail for if it happens that someone does.
3. he and his contacts bullshit and lie. hey! that’s one you can relate to!
4. he is saving cats to have them die. not all of them but a lot of them. BUT here is the master question genius especially for you and your friends:
HOW MANY F-ING CATS HAVE DIED THERE? 100’S, 1000’S?? No way to know beatch! He has NO RECORDS.
ARE YOU PEOPLE DENSE?? WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK IT WAS LIKE THERE FOR THE MISSING CATS??
WERE THEY NOT BETTER OFF EUTHANIZED? DON’T ANSWER THAT, THERE IS NO AN SERE. THE ENTIRE THING IS A NIGHTMARE!
I wish i was in charge of this blog. I would not allow anyone to post here if THEY HAVE NOT BEEN THERE!
WTF ARE THE MISSING CATS? DOES ANYONE KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION?
HOW BOUT THIS ONE?? WHYTF ARE THEY MISSING TO BEGIN WITH?
WHYTF ARE BEAUTIFUL, SWEET, HEALTHY (AT LEAST BEFORE THEY WENT THERE) GONE WHEN THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE SAFE, FENCED, PROTECTED, NOT LET OUT, NOT ALLOWED TO JUST GO OFF INTO 25 ACRES OF WOODS?? TREATED REGULARLY FOR DISEASE, GIVEN FLEA MED, EAR MITE MEDS, WORM MEDS, RESPIRATORY CARE??
HOWTF DO THEY GET ALL OF THAT IF THEY ARE MISSING??
| Nov 18, 2010 Rating | To Elissa I noticed in your story on the page here you mentioned the fence being chain link. It is not chain link except for in the front of the property where people come in at. If anyone wants to see the pictures I have of the fence, they are here: |
| Nov 18, 2010 Rating | Cathy Now you are sounding like one of the Caboodle Cult? Are you? you must be. When are you going to see CR for what it really is? what it has become? Stop being so blind and stand up for the cats who CANNOT SPEAK FOR THEIR SELVES, if you are wanting a human to bow down to, there are plenty all over the world, go find one and do what’s right in this situation for the CATS not CRAIG! |
| Nov 18, 2010 Rating | what good ideas? What good ideas? In case you don’t know there are several things in the happenings right now. Good ideas? Haven’t you been reading the posts? We have volunteered, we have donated, we have done everything possible. And when the truth comes out, everyone who has been ridiculing us will understand. I guess you all think we are stupid and didn’t think of any ideas on our own? wow, that blows me away. And we are not bullying anyone, go back read the posts and see who bullied who first. Do me a favor would you…. go and VOLUNTEER! WE DID… then come back on here and elaborate on saying Craig is doing his best. And as for saying he has sacrificed… haven’t we all????? Everyone who works with cats and owners too. We all sacrifice, he is no god so get over it! |
| Nov 18, 2010 Rating | Stop! HEY! Stop picking on anonymous chic ! Gosh! She has a right to speak her mind and for you not to negate her! I agree with her! It sounds like she’s not standing up for anyone on either side and trying to be supportive of both. She says yes Craig is doing all he can but he can still get better from our help. You guys are being internet bullies. Don’t you realize that real people are on the other side? She actually gave some helpful ideas that none of you are and it looks like you’d rather stay here and vent. Ps whoever said they could just die, Don’t attempt it! |
| Nov 18, 2010 Rating | Anoynmous again Oh cause I didn’t respond asap I don’t do anything to help? I was asleep. Yes i am a busy person with HELPING w/animals in every way that I can. That is why I go to bed early and rise early. I am fostering right now. This subject is not about what I do. But if you want to get on the subject how many times have you volunteered at Caboodle Ranch? I think I asked you before and obviously you are the one who has not answered or responded to my question about WHAT YOU DO? I was there full 8 days, how about you? I cleaned so much that my pants were ripped, I also saved kittens there that were born in the brush only for Craig to turn around and let die. I have a full days of horror stories. You just have NO IDEA. |
| Nov 18, 2010 Rating | sorry if this posts twice it said it did not go through if you are reading this…sorry. |
Thank you for your comment and sympathy. I am so sorry to hear you are suffering too. I sure would like to talk with you. I will give you my phone number and I hope you will call me.
Please email me for my number and for anyone else who might be going through this please let me know. My life will never be the same. I hate my life now. I wish I never came out of my depression. I want to die. I’m not even much good for my poor elderly mother who also misses my babies so much. She did not even know I was bringing them there until I called her from the road.
I called Nanette, I have her phone number. She has NEVER returned a single call to me, but I told her two nites ago in an absolute rage that I demand to be allowed out there whenever I please to look for my babies. I cussed her out and told her she and Craig were liars, and I have never acted like that before. She never called back. I am so desperate I don’t even care what happens to me anymore.
Don’t ever give your babies away even if you are dying, or can’t have them where you are moving. Hide them if you can but keep them and don’t give up on them or you will feel just like this. It is different than the horrible pain of them dying in your care.
I CAUSED their deaths. I put their sweet, little innocent lives in the hands of a disrespectful liar who took $500.00 from me that night and assured me they would be safe. I have all of the emails I sent Nanette after that, from the first day I went back and two were missing 12 days later to all the ones I wrote for 7 months. She always said the same thing, they are fine and hiding and they are in there forever home.
I want to die and the sooner the better.
Floridapamela@att.net
| Nov 18, 2010 Rating | to Joan of Arc and others 🙂 Thank you for your comment and sympathy. I am so sorry to hear you are suffering too. I sure would like to talk with you. I will give you my phone number and I hope you will call me. |
Please email me for my number and for anyone else who might be going through this please let me know. My life will never be the same. I hate my life now. I wish I never came out of my depression. I want to die. I’m not even much good for my poor elderly mother who also misses my babies so much. She did not even know I was bringing them there until I called her from the road.
I called Nanette, I have her phone number. She has NEVER returned a single call to me, but I told her two nites ago in an absolute rage that I demand to be allowed out there whenever I please to look for my babies. I cussed her out and told her she and Craig were liars, and I have never acted like that before. She never called back. I am so desperate I don’t even care what happens to me anymore.
Don’t ever give your babies away even if you are dying, or can’t have them where you are moving. Hide them if you can but keep them and don’t give up on them or you will feel just like this. It is differnet than the horrible pain of them dying in your care.
I CAUSED their deaths. I put their sweet, little innocent lives in the hands of a disrespectful liar who took $500.00 from me that night and assured me they would be safe. I have all of the emails I sent Nanette after that, from the first day I went back and two were missing 12 days later to all the ones I wrote for 7 months. She always said the same thing, they are fine and hiding and they are in there forever home.
I want to die and the sooner the better.
Floridapamela@att.net
| Nov 18, 2010 Rating | MORE FOR THE TARDS You just don’t get it. This man DOES NOT WANT YOUR HELP or to be told EVER, about WHAT YOU MAY observe and believe could be made better. HE DOES NOT WANT TO BE TOLD ANYTHING, do you get it Leann, NOTHING. YOU CAN NOT HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH HIM WHEN IT COMES TO DISCUSSING MATTERS. YOU TWO IDIOTS REALLY REALLLY REALLLLLLY NEED TO GO VISIT! |
And BTW, LEANN for a person who does not have the things THEY NEED WHO IS CLEARLY going without, should you even have pets??? Or were you making a poor attempt to argue for CR by letting us know just how much you sacrifice like Craig Grant.
I HAVE LEARNED TOO MANY THINGS since I first heard about this place. I have seen and experienced them as well. Anyone posting here who has not ever been there at least a few times, which is almost everyone, and sees the videos as we all did, and reads the website’s bullshit description without any warnings or caution information, is led to believe this guy is a god. THEY ARE LED TO BELIEVE LEANN, WHEN IT CAME TO NO CHOICE FOR SOME, WHO FOUND AND WERE GRATEFUL TO FIND A PLACE TO BRING THEIR BELOVED CATS, DID NOT HAVE A CLUE AS TO WHAT GOES ON THERE.
I have ALSO LEARNED that there are SOME who run SHELTERS who MAY AGREE WITH THE WAY THIS PLACE IS RUN, which I find TO BE UTTERLY HEINOUS!
However, they also feel it is NO PLACE FOR DOMESTIC CATS!!! And very sadly for some, this is a little too much info a lot too late!
Pray you never need to find one of your pets a home. Feeding deer and skipping vitamins allows neither of you an excuse for stupid comments.
| Nov 18, 2010 Rating | for the tards ANONYMOUS CHIC you are a COMPLETE FOOL. Your comments were unbelievable! How dare you accuse the people here of not doing anything! Believe me, brainless, they have tried many times! |
I’m not sure who is a sadder case, you or LEANN ROGERS!
You two dipshits need to some day have no alternative than to give up a pet/pets!! OMG I could go on and on!
I am just going to address the THE MOST IMPORTANT AND INSANE THING THAT LEANN ROGERS WHO LIVES IN FAIRY LAND DOES NOT KNOW BUT MANY HAVE SEEN, I will restate what has been stated by a lot of people here already exactly the problem with this situation and why NOTHING either of you said makes any damn sense:
There is a SINGLE old man, taking in TOO MANY cats, who are not provided any degree of SAFETY and who CAN NOT SPEAK for themselves, whose OWNERS were told that certain rules are followed, whose OWNERS were led to believe they took, as a last resort, their pets to a place that DISCUSSES NOTHING about the UNSAFE ENVIRONMENT this man puts their pets into, who gets patted on the back for taking in TOO MANY (hoarding) for him to give proper attention to, who has NO IDEA HOW MANY THERE ARE, who keeps NO RECORDS WHATSOEVER, who can NOT PROVIDE PROPER SHELTER, who for a lack of a better word than SHELTER, PROVIDES FILTHY UNHYGIENIC CONDITIONS in said shelters, AND who literally and regularly LOSES PEOPLES PETS, they just disappear never to be seen again.
| Nov 17, 2010 Rating | Caboodle I live on 2 acres in Florida & have 65 cats~they have pens for shelter & can go outside. Although The 6 foot fenced pens are covered over the top so they cannot get out or nothing can get in… I appreciate what he is doing for the Kitties, although I feel he should protect them from the predators that live within his 25 or so acres~ M |
| Nov 17, 2010 Rating | Re: Anoynmous again Yes i so do belong to the lovey animal world! I have 3 cats, 5 fish , and I feed deer! Why would you accuse someone of that? All I’m saying is , instead of discussing your problems here, you should go into the real world and make a difference. ( since you didn’t give me any examples of ways to help then I guess i will! ) 1. Encourage pipl to spay/ neuter their pets. 2. Encourage obedience schools or personal training with cat/dog. 3. Try to take a law suit against an animal abuser if you deem it necessary 4. Don’t get a pet if you know you can’t keep it or care for it anyways. Responsibilty is key! 5. Don’t buy from breeders. 6. Help fund your local animal shelters. ( they are always accepting donations!) there are many more ways to help animal cruelty and commenting about it really isn’t a way, so like I said b4 , get out there! Make a difference! Peace, anynomous chic out. |
| Nov 17, 2010 Rating | Joan of Arc thank you and I am so sorry for what happened to you, I know how painful it is. You are not alone though, I can guarantee you that. I truly believe because of the fact that CR has advertised that the cats will be PROTECTED and SAFE, that you should be able to demand they produce your cats or give your money back especially seeing the cats disappeared right away. Where was their protection? We know he cannot produce the cats. How were they SAFE? That is a lawsuit if I ever seen one or maybe better yet, he will let you come in til you find them yourself or til you know for a fact they are gone and then you can move on. |
| Nov 17, 2010 Rating | TO MY KITTIES MY heart goes out to you MY KITTIES, perhaps, we can chat….I do feel the same if not worse like MY KITTIES does… I still cry everyday.. My conscience is not god any more. Our former acquaintance made a careless mistake and mislead us.. That is what happened.. I do understand the pain and agony you have been going through and still hoping although I know what has happened to the children I love and took care of. After the last visit.. I do have to let go of my hope to get them back although they will be in my heart forever…Everynight I think of them and I can’t get pass thinking of their few last days… Imagine the desperation! and fear!… How could you be totally neglectful.. Craig Grant? Did you not advertised in your commercial that you are supposed to care for them, and their wellbeings… You took money and basically tortured them in the dirty camps and fed them to the coyotes..He also said he never let any cat get out of there again.. Of course, most of them are dead or sick and dying…So you want to hide the fact….We are not stupid.. Anyone, did this action remind you of the one who started the WWII? |
| Nov 17, 2010 Rating | anonymous again Have you been to Caboodle Ranch? and if so when? How many times? And if you did how long were you there each visit? You obviously don’t belong to the compassionate world of loving animals and seem to be sticking up for a man that I believe to be a licensed hoarder. Sorry to have to say it that way, but I met and know Craig, and I never even knew what a hoarder was til recently and upon reading the description I not only was blown away from the resemblance to Craig and his actions but it made me cry because of a sadness for the cats that are suppose to be in his CARE. |
| Nov 17, 2010 Rating | Re: to anonymous First of all, my comment was trying to talk to the whole lot of commenters not just you, and I find your snide comments in my post very rude. Secondly, do you not realize that what you are speaking of happens in our culture every day? The only reason why you are so upset now is bc it seems so controlled and evil to you when you are not realizing that it’s all around you. If u gave examples of how you are trying to help cat holders from abusing their cats then please, do tell! But just writing nasty letters isn’t going to solve anything. |
| Nov 17, 2010 Rating | Another lie Nannette always seems to have an answer and most of them are irrelevant. And also you can tell that it was simple plain BS. They just lie for money… over sufferings of the cats. Small time Crooks is who they are… they only care about the money..We have seen them taking in some more beautiful cats this past Saturday 11/13/10… So they can show off on Open house. |
If anyone who has been there recently and who do not see what has been going on there.. Please go back and see it again with the facts from Caboodle’s Angels website…..What’is going on there is negligence, worst safety issue along with insuffiencent medical cares…. Shame on you Caboodle Ranch.
| Nov 17, 2010 Rating | Persephone I have a picture from last year that shows many many carriers that were thrown into a large pile, I seen stacks and stacks myself while there, when you look at them you kind of get an eerie feeling thinking about how many cats were brought inside those carriers and just knowing there’s not that many now. But know this….. Craig is building his #’s back up before his open house this weekend, he has been diligently bringing in cats every weekend even though the site states they haven’t. They know we have busted them and they want to prove us wrong. But we know. |
| Nov 17, 2010 Rating | to anonymous Well I believe that Craig is doing his best for what he has to work with. IS HE? I mean C’mon people! If you’re so upset then I suggest you go down there and help him! WE HAVE THAT’S WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY. Don’t just sit and blog about it! Most of these cats were abused or strays NO THEY WEREN’T YOU ARE WRONG, HAVE YOU BEEN THERE? and there is nothing wrong in my opinion to try and help them out. It is still a growing organization and I think it’s a grand idea. IDEA IS JUST AN IDEA Let me also put it this way. In shelters they are PUT TO SLEEP! LUCKY FOR THE CATS BEING PUT TO SLEEP SO THEY DON’T HAVE TO SUFFER AT HIS HANDS OR HIS IGNORANCE He saves them and tries to make their last days comfortable in the wild THEIR DAYS ARE DEFINITELY NUMBERED NOW bc you can take a cat out of the wild but you can’t take the wild out of the cat. Just saying. YOU ARE NOT VERY BRIGHT, THESE ARE HOUSE CATS, GET OVER IT |
| Nov 17, 2010 Rating | Hmmm. Well I believe that Craig is doing his best for what he has to work with. I mean C’mon people! If you’re so upset then I suggest you go down there and help him! Don’t just sit and blog about it! Most of these cats were abused or strays and there is nothing wrong in my opinion to try and help them out. It is still a growing organization and I think it’s a grand idea. Let me also put it this way. In shelters they are PUT TO SLEEP! He saves them and tries to make their last days comfortable in the wild bc you can take a cat out of the wild but you can’t take the wild out of the cat. Just saying. |
| Nov 17, 2010 Rating | Neighbors are furious Many neighbors of the Caboodle Ranch are furious that they are having to face coyotes in their yards at night, every night. Caboodle Ranch…. a cat sanctuary?????? WHAT A JOKE!!!!!! It’s a deathcamp for cats. |
| Nov 17, 2010 Rating | Coyote’s/ Devil’s playgrounds Obviously, anyone who have common sense knows it is unethical and immoral and illegal as a sanctuary not to have any intake records not to put safety isuue and medical care first. Unaccountable nyumbers of cats must hve been dined by the coyotes .. It is hard to swallow but true.Carolyn got the real facts. |
| Nov 17, 2010 Rating | thanks CATLUVR We all know it’s going to be rougher out where Caboodle Ranch is, that is not what we are complaining about. We are complaining about the mis-leading, the lies, the coyotes, the mishandling etc. |
| Nov 17, 2010 Rating | Caboodle is the WORST !!! I have been involved in cat rescue work for many years. I have seen good rescue sites and bad rescue sites, and when I say “have seen”, I mean that I HAVE SEEN WITH MY OWN EYES and I can say, without a doubt, that Caboodle Ranch is the WORST place I have ever seen that claims to be a cat rescue. If I were a cat and left in this idiots care, I would run away, too! |
| Nov 17, 2010 Rating | something to think about If anyone knows the story of Tiger Ranch you know it was horrific about the # of cats involved. Should of been thousands there alive when only a couple of hundred. I want you to think about Craig and how he does not have to account for any cats he has taken in, he keeps no records, uses NO release forms even though they sat on his counter in puke the whole time I was there. He does not have to answer to ANYONE. how is that possible? I am looking for others who want to help change the laws here in florida so that we can change this. If they have to be accountable then they can’t get away with murder anymore! It’s expected to lose some cats. But 2 a week at least and probably more due to the so called sanctuary? That’s a little too much! |
| Nov 17, 2010 Rating | thanks anonymous Good point. Also, when I seen that, just how professional could that attorney be having a yahoo email acct? That email is not going to their attorney directly. They call us bashers but I would rather be a basher than a cult! |
| Nov 17, 2010 Rating | Lawyers I found this interesting and had to post. Caboodle recently posted this on their facebook page: “Being messaged by Caboodle bashers? Forward it to CaboodleAtty@yahoo.com Please put only the person’s name in the subject line. These messages are being kept for our lawyer. Thanks!” |
And one of their fans replied: “I guess people would rather have feral cats running around breeding in corn fields and dying from starvation or being killed by other animals or diseases. If I could save every cat I see on the side of the road I would. This is just one step in helping. If people are pushing back on this one step, more steps won’t be taken.”
It’s slightly humorous to me in that defending Caboodle, this fan has pretty much summed them up. The cats at Caboodle are running around breeding, dying from starvation and disease, and being eaten by coyotes. They are also those cats sitting on the side of Benchmark Road waiting to be saved. Why do people refuse to see this?
| Nov 17, 2010 Rating | again Craig Yes Craig says his way or the highway. Even when I offered and suggested garbage cans with lids, he said no way. I even mentioned they have them on rollers and he almost went for it but then said NO. I was trying to get the trailers to where there weren’t so many flies in them. It was horrifying. Did you read my story about the palmetto bugs? Oh and everyone says “but there is going to be bugs in the woods”. Well read my story. Only one trailer was INFESTED w/thousands and Craig even knew the reason but refused to have the AC repaired so it would stop dripping inside the trailer. story is at caboodlesangels.com Wish I had the complete story written, but it’s going to take some time, there is just so much to tell. The death was the worst part of it all and knowing that it was because of Craig. That blew me away. God is with those babies now, and we’ll never know just exactly how many he has lost but the #’s are way too high. |
| Nov 17, 2010 Rating | the bleach Ok, so I brought my own spray bleach and that is what I used on the floor in the trailers. Craig was a bit upset cause the bleach left a cloudy film sort of on the floor. Did you see my pics of the floor? I thought I did a dang good job seeing what I had to contend with. |
| Nov 17, 2010 Rating | Wish lists Someone, please correct me if I am wrong. Most respected and knowledgable rescues and shelters, know that bleach is the mainstay for disinfection and cleaning. Sure you can use other products, but by and large, bleach is the cheapest, most readily available product. Mixed in the concentration that is recommended by the experts, it is not even that offensive to smell. Yet NO WHERE on any of the Caboodle Ranch wish lists, do I find a request for bleach. |
I see “Clorox Disinfectant Wipes” and they are fine for spot cleaning, but if that is the only type of disinfection they are using, no wonder there are so many sick cats.
I have never been to Caboodle and have never met Craig. Would someone tell me that has been and does know him, if others go in to help and offer suggestions for the good of the cats, is he going to accept it or his he too entrenched in “my way or the highway”? If he will not take advice and direction from seasoned professionals who are just trying to make it better for the cats, then HE DOESN”T CARE ABOUT THE CATS AT ALL, and is just in it for the donations.
Another thing, do “Entemenns’s Softee Cake doughnuts” on the wish lists, benefit the cats at all?? Or just Craig??
| Nov 17, 2010 Rating | Craig Grant What everyone does not realize or forgets here is that if Craig is truly a hoarder, which everything about him points to that, there is nothing nothing we can do by volunteering that is going to help the situation. Why do you think they aren’t allowing volunteers? It’s because of Craig. They say they don’t adopt cats out because they don’t want to compete with the local humane and animal control. Ask Craig the question as I did and others. He is the one that decides things. He will tell you from his own mouth, it is because he feels people shouldn’t have the cats as they will dump them and desert them, la la la la la la. And it makes me laugh about their FB page when all these people express things to Craig. Craig does not want anything to do with a computer or the his own site or fb page. He is anti-social unless you are willing to talk about ‘him’. He in my opinion is a hoarder and that is the ONLY reason CR is in the state is in and the ONLY reason so many cats are dying cause Craig thinks he knows best and that he is the saint to cats. |
| Nov 17, 2010 Rating | ranch I have sadly never been to the ranch,but if I lived closer,I would love to help out…But I do believe this man is doing his best! If one cat gets sick,it will spread like wildfire.Also,what I dont get is these people that take there cats there,and complain. My cats eat before I do,they are my children.They go to the vet when needed,while I sit here with no Insurance.My 3 year old gets seizure meds twice daily,yet I go without vitimans.I would NOT,NEVER,put my 20 year old,15,or my 3 year old cats out!! They are my life!! So if there is a problem at the Ranch I dont believe its done on purpose,and if you LEFT your cat there,then WHAT are you doing to help him or the ranch? Im sure there are many ferals,and other cats that would be dead and gone if it was not for this man..and for that us cat lovers should be thankful.I couldnt imagine trying to keep hundreds of cats all well,and safe to some point without a boatload of money and help! I dont mean to offend anyone,but I believe some of the comments are harsh, for someone trying to do what you or I cant…My hats off to him, for simply…Wanting and trying to save these cats,where without him they would have no life at all. My pets are my children,and you couldnt pay me any ammount to make me give them up or away! |
| Nov 17, 2010 Rating | Not getting into it I am not going to get into the conversation for or against Caboodle Ranch. I just wanted to respond to a question Pennie asked: |
“I will close with a couple of questions. Is Caboodle Ranch an IRS designated 501(c)3 non-profit? I find nothing on their website to indicate they are.”
Caboodle Ranch is listed with the IRS as a charitable organization. You can go to the IRS website and do a search for organizations.
| Nov 17, 2010 Rating | To “Kirsten” Just exactly what kind of “proof” would it take to satisfy you that there is something wrong going on at Caboodle Ranch? It sounds like you are more concerned about “Craig” than the cats. “Craig” has a mouth and can speak up for himself, the cats CAN NOT!! The cats have to rely on others for help. If you read the Caboodle Ranch website itself, you will see just how wishy washy they are about. Keep in mind that the following is from the Caboodle Ranch website NOT anywhere else. |
In “A Day at the Ranch”
Oct 4
“but for the most part, our intake will stop for the winter months.”
Oct 22
“Important news for anyone who is planning to leave a cat at Caboodle:”
MAKE UP YOUR MIND – either you are accepting cats or not.
Oct 22 “Dr. Lewis stated that “80% of the cats were in perfect health and appearance, while another approx. 10% were recovering from illness and were gaining weight and beginning to thrive. There are, however, approximately 10% of the cats that are undergoing treatments for various issues from cancer, to ear infections, to respiratory problems; with respiratory problems being the most burdensome to treat.”
This tells me that 20 percent of the cats there are SICK!!!!!! that is a very high percentage.
“We have 600 cats at the ranch” 120 SICK CATS!!!!
What kind of and where did Craig get his “training” to care for ALL THOSE SICK CATS!!!!!!
There are TOO MANY different people coming forward with past problems, for me not to believe there is some type of problem going on at Caboodle Ranch.
| Nov 16, 2010 Rating | A SPECIAL COMMENT JUST 4 “Kirsten” my ass. How about a better name, like uh I don’t know “anonymous”. WHO are you anyway???? Have you been there? Taken cats there? Gone over 6 times up to a dozen perhaps. Seen inside the filthy trailers which will be spic and span for “the very first open house” which was ADDED AFTER THEY AGREED RELUCTANTLY TO LET A RESCUE CHECK THEM OUT ON THAT DAY!! |
If you knew 1/10 of what was going on, no, better yet, what it is like, you would not open your mouth with your less than intelligent argument here.
Railroad?? Destroy?? Ruin?? You must be talking about the lives of these cats, no?
Who is really being destroyed here “KIRSTEN”?
“KIRSTEN” please respond to this one:
you read about a SAFE HAVEN, a SANCTUARY, a FOREVER HOME, and nobody on the entire planet can help you with your cats that you can not keep.
Make up a reason why YOU can’t keep them “KIRSTEN” because there are MANY.
Don’t write any bullshit, like, YOU SHOULD KEEP THEM NO MATTER WHAT. YOU ARE THE ANIMAL FOR GIVING THEM UP, ETC. Believe it or not lady, people get into terrible situations in their lives and don’t plan on them.
Anyway, I digress, tell us “KIRSTEN” what you would do if you brought your cat there, and then, “poof” it was gone. That is all I am going to say “KIRSTEN MY ASS”.
| Nov 16, 2010 Rating | Kirsten Let’s take your cats there and leave them Kirsten and see how you feel when they just disappear. And then to think of all the horrible ways the cats have died there. I know now there should be well over 1000 cats, the #’s aren’t all counted yet, but we are getting there, so where are they? Tell us Kirsten, should cats die at the hands of the rescuer? When someone pays someone to PROTECT their cat(s) don’t you think they should do just that? THEY AREN’T! You aren’t very bright are you? |
| Nov 16, 2010 Rating | A SPECIAL COMMENT JUST 4 “KIRSTEN” “Kirsten” my ass. How about a better name, like uh I don’t know “anonymous”. WHO are you anyway???? Have you been there? Taken cats there? Gone over 6 times up to a dozen perhaps. Seen inside the filthy trailers which will be spic and span for “the very first open house” which was ADDED AFTER THEY AGREED RELUCTANTLY TO LET A RESCUE CHECK THEM OUT ON THAT DAY!! |
If you knew 1/10 of what was going on, no, better yet, what it is like, you would not open your mouth with your less than intelligent argument here.
Railroad?? Destroy?? Ruin?? You must be talking about the lives of these cats, no?
Who is really being destroyed here “KIRSTEN”?
“KIRSTEN” please respond to this one:
you read about a SAFE HAVEN, a SANCTUARY, a FOREVER HOME, and nobody on the entire planet can help you with your cats that you can not keep.
Make up a reason why YOU can’t keep them “KIRSTEN” because there are MANY.
Don’t write any bullshit, like, YOU SHOULD KEEP THEM NO MATTER WHAT. YOU ARE THE ANIMAL FOR GIVING THEM UP, ETC. Believe it or not lady, people get into terrible situations in their lives and don’t plan on them.
Anyway, I digress, tell us “KIRSTEN” what you would do if you brought your cat there, and then, “poof” it was gone. That is all I am going to say “KIRSTEN MY ASS”.
| Nov 16, 2010 Rating | Still don’t see proof All I’m seeing here is a small group of people determined to railroad Craig and his organization. Do you have to comment 100 times? Say your peace and be quiet. Repeating yourselves does not make your information any more credible. I have looked into this and have not found a legitimate claim that has been verified by animal control officers or veterinarians. Why is it only the same small group complaining? Has animal control found any violations? Has their vet made any complaints? Seems like some women have too much time on their hands and need a better hobby than harassing a good man. I don’t see why Craig should have to respond to a bunch of loonies. He has more important things to do. |
| Nov 16, 2010 Rating | Ann Ann, please contact Carolyn right away. I believe she posted her number below. |
| Nov 16, 2010 Rating | ADDENDEM to “Nazi Concentration Camp…” My nightmares w/Caboodle began in Nov. 2009. On my subsequent trips to find my cat, the weather was getting colder. Craig had cats in large dog pens w/thick mounds of straw, covering the dirt floors. Can you believe he had kerosene and electric heaters placed on top of the straw! If a cat knocked one over, all the cats in that pen would burn to death–not to mention the nearby trees and other structures, and neighbor’s houses. I was in contact w/Jamie Willoughby (Madison County Animal Control). He was very helpful at first and informed me of all the diseases present at Caboodle. He added that little old ladies from as far as Miami send their beloved cats there when they can no longer keep them (i.e., going into a nursing home) thinking the cats would live out their lives in a cat haven; they’re dead in a month. He must have been threatened w/legal action too, because he got awful quiet awful quick. I did a lot of homework on Caboodle–maybe some of it can finally be of some help. I actually offered to go in there and help Craig clean up some of the filth, and help him w/the countless sick and dying cats. He’s in denial that anything is wrong–he only wants to hear (and tell you) what a great person he is, and what a wonderful thing he’s doing. Needless to say, he didn’t take me up on my offer. IS ANYONE AWARE HOW MANY TRAILERS ARE NESTLED IN THOSE ENDLESS WOODS? Many don’t have windows, and many contain numerous cages, stacked one on top of the other, housing sick and dying cats. A far cry from the pretty houses. The trailers and cages are FILTHY! Let’s be real–no one person, or even several people, can possibly keep up so many water dishes, food dishes, litter pans, cages, and pens. The floor of one trailer (his ‘office’) is lined w/half dead cats. I wish I were exagurating! By the way, Craig’s counterpart, Annette–her husband makes the pretty (useless) houses that line the entrance. Annette paints them, and then Craig buys them for top dollar. He rips open large bags of food and throws them on the ground for the cats to eat. People donate cases of canned cat food–it’s thrown and rusting away in the back of this truck. Maybe things have changed–I was involved in this crusade a year ago. Unfortunately, it probably got worse. My husband asked Craig how many cats he has. Craig replied “300, but I’d like 3000.” At $200. each–why not??? This too was a year ago. And regardless of how many thousands of cats he’s taken in–I bet he still only has about 300, if even that many. Please let me know how I can be of assistance in helping you stop the horrendous suffering at Caboodle. |
| Nov 16, 2010 Rating | another person comes forward I just got off the phone with someone who was there the same week as me to drop off cats. Her and her husband were also horrified of what was going on. She is sending me her story through email and also through regular mail certified. There has got to be something we can do. I say it’s time to go to the media with our story. |
| Nov 16, 2010 Rating | the vets The vets are mostly used for the group shots or spay neuters, but it’s all a big joke. Every once in a while Craig will break down and take a very sick cat to the vet. I almost believed when I got there that these cats must of been brought to him already sick but soon learned it was not so. Almost all that are sick are sick due to the mis-handling of the cats by Craig. Mingling sick with healthy, his dirty habits, you name it. It is so sad. I want anyone to feel free to call me, I have some ideas but don’t want to post them here. (813) 900-3319 or (813) 270-8234 |
| Nov 16, 2010 Rating | Kittie Horror Picture Show This place is nowhere near to be called a Sanctuary. Real Horror Show.. People.. Open up your mind behind the masks of cute houses and see the truth and sufferings of these children, at the same time some owneres are believing that they are living happy lives… We’ve got to stop this. This is so deceiving..Of course, they are paranoid.. They are just doing a shady text exempt business for the town and themselves. I do think we can help fix the prblem by taking legal actions with truthful evidence from people who are aware.I have been there 3 times. I really regret I did not take any pictures. I was so disturbed and saddened to see the unbelievably high volume of blatant diseases and pains of these cats. The vets that they use according to their live journal , Dr. Lewis and Dr. Baxley… Are they accountable or how do they not see what is going on there? |
| Nov 16, 2010 Rating | Ann They have threatened me too, but I never got anything from anyone cause they know they don’t have a leg to stand on if it is TRUE. Were you arrested that day or no? And how long ago was this? Thanks for sharing your story. |
| Nov 16, 2010 Rating | Ann I can put your pictures here: and here: facebook.com/caboodlesangels |
They cannot sue you, they haven’t served me anything. Your pictures are true and factual. I don’t understand.
| Nov 16, 2010 Rating | Ann Ann you can post your pictures on my site, you have my permission. Please help me here. Please help others to see before they make the same mistakes. |
| Nov 16, 2010 Rating | Nazi Concentration Camp for Cats I have pictures from the inside, only I was threatened by Caboodle’s attorney that I would be sued if I released them. I trap/neuter strays and some cannot be released, so I took 2 there. After seeing all the disease, I went back for them the next day–1 was gone. We made several trips back but never found her. I met another woman who also placed 2 cats there and 1 went missing the day before she was to pick it up. While there, I was allowed to walk the land and search for my cat. I wonder if anyone else had access to the windowless trailers where cats are kept in filthy cages with containers of trash all around them; the IV bags hanging from the ceiling which Craig uses to treat some cats in filthy surroundings; the infirmary w/an open window allowing healthy cats to visit the dying. Did they get to see the rows of emaciated dying cats lined up on the trailer floors–one of my pics shows me lifting up one of their heads to see if she was alive. Her head just sunk into my palm. I was there about 6-8 times over a period of a few weeks, and each time, large dog pens were filled w/new arrivals. Each time, there were many more new cats, and the last ones were no where to be seen. My last time there, Craig invited me in–but something seemed wrong and I hesitated–he had a warrant out for my arrest! I can go on and on and be sued for doing so. I’m not alone–my husband, a woman I met due to Caboodle, and her son. We all witnessed the atrocities, reminiscent of those photos you see of Nazi concentration camps–and yes, I have pictures–only there not good enough for PETA, Best Friends, and the like. I tried everything and contacted everyone, and got no where–except threats of legal action. |
| Nov 16, 2010 Rating | question Well the question is, the big one that is, just how many cats has Craig actually taken in there? That will tell a big story right there alone. I am setting up a guest book on my new site for people to let us know how many they have brought there. Or if anyone knows of someone who did and how many. We can start out like that just to get an idea. But we will really never know. |
| Nov 16, 2010 Rating | TRUE DEATH CAMP I cannot imagine how many cats died horrendously at this camp. Imagine their Last days? I am so saddened and disturbed what is going on there.And furious, of course… We,all true animal lovers should stick together and work toward some certain goal to help these remaining kitties….I still do not understand people who signed up on their guest book do not see anything.. How could this happen? Carolyn… Thanks for speaking out for these children… |
| Nov 16, 2010 Rating | mistake I meant to Kay on those last posts, sorry about that Susan, LOL |
| Nov 16, 2010 Rating | to Susan also good luck with any suggestions to Craig. As you know how hoarders are. He will not have anyone else’s advice or suggestions. And yes he thinks he is the saint rescueing cats from all over. Just to sit with him at dinner when he does not like anyone talking, to have someone come up and start praising him, and to see his face change and him to start talking about “himself and what he does for who” and how he saves so many cats and people. |
| Nov 16, 2010 Rating | Kay @ Serenity Farm Kay I cannot recall stating anything about you or your place. You sure you didn’t read something wrong. Please refresh my memory, also maybe someone is saying they are me. I don’t even remember being at your site before. Please give me the link. |
thanks
| Nov 16, 2010 Rating | Kay @Serenity Farm @ Kay, I believe the website Carolyn was talking about was the Caboodle Ranch website. They state that the cats are safe from Coyotes, which is a lie. |
I am in fact interested in your opinion in regards to the fence at Caboodle Ranch. Would you say a 5ft horse fence not secured at the bottom would be adequate to keep coyotes out? Just curious. I doubt it could keep cats in as in my own experience they have jumped my 5 ft security fence. Needless to say they don’t get to go out anymore without my supervision.
| Nov 16, 2010 Rating | What Web Site??? Carolyn you commented on MY web site as I had lied on it ??? I do not have an active web site and I have Never made any comments regarding how to control coyotes until my post here. Now that, that matter is cleared up. I would very much like to put this small thought to everyone. ” Is it possible that Craig is more of a cat hoarder, than he is a cat sanctuary?? Hoarders of animals very often see them selves as saviors while in fact they get them selves in over their heads in animals and do not have the skills or the resources to maintain them in a clean ,healthy environment. Florida does have laws regarding Hoarders. and they do carry fines and sanctions. Also operating as sanctuary gives him a huge tax break if he is listed as a not for profit operation 503c operation. As to the type of fencing I was referring to. It is called NO-Climb field fence and is used extensively by small live stock operations all around the world. Through my limited research of Florida Animal laws and regulations it is my personal opinion that Florida has very lax laws and very little enforcement due to funding and apathy by the voters since there has been several bills that were not passed by the voters regarding animals and the maintenance and housing of them. In the last 7 years there have been 11 bills submitted to the state legislators and none of then have passed a vote to become law.( you can check this out yourself at Florida’s State web site just as I did. If you really want to help the cats, maybe there is another alternative to fighting with Craig. One such avenue of approach might be to sit down and discuss with him just what his finances will allow him to do and in what way you folks can assist to make Cadoodle Ranch the kind of place everyone seems to want it to be. Perhaps Craig would welcome a governing board of director to oversee a plan of action along with serious in put on funding the ranch in a more professional manner. Well these are my thoughts at the moment. |
| Nov 16, 2010 Rating | anonymous We would love to demand to be in but it is private property. I know you were there recently, can you tell some what your experience was? I believe I know who you are. And I would never dump my cat, and I believe others who did, thought they had to, but yes some do dump them for no good reason. |
| Nov 16, 2010 Rating | Cats are for life Cats are not just for Christmas,they are for life. You don’t get rid of a family member for any old excuse,why is it different over there for cats, are they not family? What I can’t take on board is professing to love them but parting with them as if they are possessions to pass on if the going gets a bit tough. I’d rather eat dirt to be able to feed my cats than to send them away from their home. I agree with an earlier poster,get in there and sort it out,gang up if you have to and demand entrance. |
| Nov 15, 2010 Rating | my heart goes out to you lost babies – my heart breaks cause I know how you feel. Don’t forget I have lost one there also, and Gary has lost 3 to Craig. I know of other stories of people who have lost kitties there. Are they lost? Will we ever know? The only way is to have permission to be there and look starting from sun up to sun down. I believe we would know after 1 week of searching. It breaks my heart too especially when I think of how Katrina could of been a coyotes dinner. My cats were never released to Craig, thank God. Katrina got out supposively by accident the first night there. Please everyone, if you do decide to take cats there, make Craig pull out the release forms, the ones in the office that have pee, puke and feces on them. They were sitting on the counter last time I was there. But I had never seen them used on any of the dozens of people I seen drop cats there over the 4 weeks I volunteered. Not that it will protect you in any way… well I don’t know what to say to you. It’s heart breaking. |
| Nov 15, 2010 Rating | ….continued I work and take care of my mother. My life is over. I am not interested in anything. I will never enjoy a minute of my life again. Everything I do I fake. This is my price that I pay. |
For those of you, who I get the feeling may have read about my bringing my babies out there, and may be in a way attacking me, I can not say you are wrong for that. My own sister, a vegan, animal rescuing, many pet owner, peta kind of a person said, do not take them there, it does not sound good!
I had these 3 kitties walk into my life, most likely lost or abandoned, I think we can bet which one. I have ALWAYS love cats but could not have them with my allergies. I had such a great set up at the apartment I had to leave. It was perfect for them so that they lived both in and out safely.
I have saved many others over the years and found them homes. But somehow I suddenly was home for 3 and I loved them WITH ALL OF MY HEART EVERY DAY AND EVERY SECOND. I could tell you stories about them that make you laugh and fall in love with them, just like you can tell me yours. But I suffer in that I can not even allow myself to remember or think about those days. If I did that I could not breathe.
I truly want to die. I have had some difficulty going out there most recently. Craig would not answer one phone call from me for about 9 days so I just went. I will not tell you how he behaved to that surprise visit because I do not want to be sued for slander with an 83 year old to watch. Otherwise I would be willing to go to prison or even die for what I have caused.
So rather than judge for now, and I really actually don’t mind that, I feel like I need punishment for this every second of my life but it does not get anyone anywhere, maybe you instead could tell me how I get a writ to stay out there.
I am about to call the courthouse in Madison County but I don’t know what they will say. It is private property and you can not just go there. How this works when it is a non profit animal sanctuary is beyond my scope of knowledge but I want to know if I can get a court order to go out there for a week in a row, stay in a hotel and get there early, early in the morning which Carolyn told me to do and I am NOT ALLOWED to do, and look all day and night for them.
After putting my story here a few days ago, and KNOWING NANETTE WILL HAVE TOLD CRAIG, I know for absolute certain, that I will never be allowed out there again. If you have suggestions, I have not given up on my babies.
I would like to know if this has happened to anyone else. I was always told by Craig that I am the only person who has ever come back looking for their cats, and especially wanting them back. I have been told by Nanette no matter how many times I have told her that I want my babies back and what can I do, I am not finding them, that they are fine and they are in their “forever home now”.
I guess they really are. TY for reading my story.
| Nov 15, 2010 Rating | ……continued They made me believe it was safe!! I was too messed up in my head to ask questions. They insisted they would be fine. I went to eat something with Craig and his helper, another person who no longer goes out there but was planning on bringing her 30+ cats there as she was losing her home in Jacksonville after losing her job, and had a miserable time. No one was talking to me. |
Craig was miserable as he had just run over and killed one of his favorites earlier that day. I was told I could come back after we ate but they never invited me when we left the Denny’s and just said good bye.
How I wish I had turned my car around that day.
12 days later when I returned after calling Craig every single day, hearing they were just fine, or sometimes great, and that was all, I arrived to find my boy and one girl missing. He did something I have never seen another human being do, and it is an oxymoron of a remark, he acted nonchalantly surprised.
My babies have likely paid for what I have to them and I live with it every day. I did not “DUMP” them as in I did not want them, I had to find a place at the time to bring them and tried for months to find homes. It took me over 6 months to find a medication that I guess finally worked to break the depression.
I will never be happy again, I want to die, if my mother dies I may still do it, I see their eyes every day and night, I think about them fleetingly and break down into tears, I hug a pillow they have all laid their heads on at one time or another and cry myself to sleep.
| Nov 15, 2010 Rating | Missing 7 Months and 2 weeks from CR I did not want to go here and put this out on the web, mostly because people, many, many of them do not understand depression. When it is severe enough so that all you can think of is killing yourself most people think you are a freak. They don’t want to hear it and tell you to snap out of it. |
On top of that horror,there was my 83 year old mother moving into my apartment unexpectedly and two moves that followed within 6 months, now having to find a place that allowed cats, and being severely allergic, and that is only the tip of the iceberg. What would you choose? A place that works for your 83 year old mother or the one that allow cats and could not work for her?
The decision I made to bring them there was after many calls to Craig Grant, willing to take them if I needed to really bring them, and one visit there. I have learned more from just going out there and not finding one of my kitties to know NOW THAT I WISHED I HAD GONE AT LEAST 4-5 TIMES AND HAD QUESTIONED HIM TO NO END.
I SEARCHED FOR HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS, plugging in words like is CR safe? Bringing your cat out into the woods at CR, horrible CR, dangerous CR, Craig Grant and lawsuits, I could go on and on and on. I only pulled up the same story which by the way, I find odd comes up under about a thousand different urls, and of course the videos.
| Nov 15, 2010 Rating | MUCK IN ALL YOU FOLK Anonymous what do you think I did, sat outside the premises and twiddled my thumbs? No I worked there 8 FULL days. And now they WON’T LET OTHERS COME AND VOLUNTEER!!!! They are not responding to anyone asking to come and volunteer. Or maybe it’s just new people. But they don’t have enough people, I don’t think any rescue place has enough, but it’s even worse there because of everything that is NOT BEING DONE and the circumstances. |
| Nov 15, 2010 Rating | MUCK IN ALL YOU FOLK Yes,all you people dumping cats there on flimsy excuses and all you calling it hell yet walking away,why the hell don’t you do something about it? Get off your soapboxes and muck in for the sake of all those cats. |
| Nov 15, 2010 Rating | Great statement Amen Pennie, what a great statement:) |
| Nov 15, 2010 Rating | I agree I agree with Ruth. It’s too easy to want to be rid of a cat and to dump it in a Rescue Shelter without even bothering to check what is said about it is true. Would anyone leave a child anywhere without looking around the place first?Surely not! The pathetic excuses people make to dump their pets are sickening and I imagine it’s easy for a well meaning person to take on more cats than they can cope with but not admit it. That’s what happens with cat hoarders after all.Maybe that’s what has happened at Caboodle Ranch. It needs lots of voluntary help. |
| Nov 15, 2010 Rating | I agree with you Ruth I agree with you Ruth. But still you have to admit, people WANT TO BELIEVE in this place made out to be heaven for cats. The videos the things stated on their site, Craig’s story (which a lot is not true), just many things are MIS-LEADING. This is what I believe needs to be mandated, the TRUTH. If someone is bringing their cat into an area where coyotes are feeding, she should be made aware of that. Now just why do you think they would lie about that? MONEY? of course it’s money. Now even if the person who is surrendering their cat were to of investigated the coyote problem before hand, it makes no difference. Caboodle Ranch / Craig Grant denies that it is that bad. But all the #’s add up. I investigated to the point I even talked to the 6 homes surrounded Caboodle Ranch. I KNOW. Also he does not stay at the property every night as he claims. Many nights he goes to Jacksonville and stays at his sons. NO ONE IS THERE to WATCH OVER THE BABIES AND PROTECT THEM. |
Also I think people should be made aware that this will be a drastic change for your domesticated feline. But no instead Caboodle Ranch claims (until recently) that most of their cats are FERAL and that was another lie. And some people on arriving don’t even know what a feral is.
One last thing, I applaud Pennie, what a great story and statement. You have a lot of great points there!
| Nov 15, 2010 Rating | My thoughts While I agree with Carolyn about a cat’s idea of ‘cat hell’ although as I’ve said before I haven’t ever been to Caboodle Ranch so I don’t know first hand if it is hell or not, the real villains of it all are the people who relinquish their cats to the place ! |
Carolyn says ‘When once you lived years with a loving family/home who made sure you were protected from these types of weather changes’
I’m sorry but for the life of me I can’t see how ANY loving family/home can EVER relinquish a cat, because that cat was supposed to be part of the family ! To me it’s like relinquishing a child of the family !!! Their circumstances surely can’t make it impossible for so many people not to keep their cat !
Then she says ‘Cat hell is when your owner brings you to this place for wild animals’
So why does the ‘owner’ take the cat to a place for wild animals? Do they not have a look round and see if it’s a good place ? No,they just dump the unwanted cat and walk away ….
Why are the people criticising the place, not criticising those people who dumped their cats there, people who should never have had a cat in the first place ? Why aren’t they volunteering to help out there and improve the conditions if they need improving ?
Animal abuse goes on because too many people rant on about it but do nothing to stop it and at the end of the day cats have feelings and should have rights too but that gets forgotten many a time in point scoring.
| Nov 15, 2010 Rating | My opinion – conclusion As to who is lying or not – I will pass on a tip given to me by a wise detective back when I was doing investigations. Take away all the personality issues and FOLLOW THE MONEY. Who stands to gain the most by lying about issues. I will close with a couple of questions. Is Caboodle Ranch an IRS designated 501(c)3 non-profit? I find nothing on their website to indicate they are. If they are not, are they advising the people that donate to them, that the donations ARE NOT tax deductible? Good luck to Celene and the others from Hurricane Pets Rescue planning to visit Caboodle later this month. Have a safe trip. I will be very much surprised if you find any thing out of order with the advance notice given. Anything can be cleaned up given enough time and money. Just ask Exxon and BP. |
Pennie Lefkowitz
Director
Haven Acres Cat Sanctuary, Inc.
www.havenacres.org
PS We have the undisputed corner market on disgruntled volunteers from hell.
Our volunteer took all kinds of photos, and showed them at a public hearing before the Alachua County Commission. My personal favorite was the one that showed where she defecated several times in the toilet in our motor home (where we were allowing her to live for free). She neglected or refused to flush it but apparently it did warrant a photo and was included with the photos of cats. She was also a thief, stole the glass tray out of the microwave in the motor home, and lowest of low, 5 gallons of coins from the fountain at the mall that had been donated for the cats. She filled the bucket up with dirt and sprinkled a few pennies on top to prevent us from finding it quickly.
| Nov 15, 2010 Rating | My opinion continued My next issue is about euthanasia. I am totally against euthanasia as a method of population control. However, it does have a place in the world of rescue. When an animal is suffering and is near the end of it’s life, the only humane thing to do is have it euthanized. As an ACO, I responded to numerous calls to find a pet down, emaciated, unable to move, in pain and suffering and an owner telling me “I love him/her too much to put him/her to sleep”. My comment to all was that euthanasia is the last loving thing a pet owner can do for their pets. What they were feeling was selfishness in putting themselves first and not their pets welfare. Last month, I had to have one of my horses euthanized due to cancer of the sheath. Sham was over 23 years old, and I had owned him since birth. Making the decision to let him go was the hardest thing I have ever had to do. I could not stop crying for 2 days afterward. I had lost horses before, but they had already died when I found them. Sham’s date of death was the first that I had to make the decision on. He had been diagnosed about 2 years ago and due to his age and type of cancer, he was not a good surgical candidate. I resolved at that time, he would not suffer, no matter what. He had been in good shape up until a couple of months previously, when he started dropping weight and had edema settle in a back leg. He was moving very slowly around the pasture. I was at work and realized it was his time. I called the vet , I called my husband to go rent a back hoe. Then I went home and fed Sham all the sweet feed and treats he wanted till the vet got there. I was standing at his head as the vet gave him the euthanasia drugs. He was looking right at me when he died. As much personal pain as it cost me, I know that my sight, my smell and my presence were the last things he had of this earth and he knew that I loved him. Every one that accepts responsibility for a pet should be willing to make the same sort of sacrifice. ……………. continued…………….. |
| Nov 15, 2010 Rating | My opinion – continued My first comment is about the coyote issue at Caboodle. Back in 2007, more than 3 years ago, an issue arose between Alachua County and High Springs as to whether or not Haven Acres Cat Sanctuary should be allowed on the property owned by my husband and me in Alachua County. We have 8+ agriculture acres and could have an unlimited number of horses, cows, hogs, goats, chickens, etc with no special permits. To have more than 20 cats we had to file for a special exception permit. In spite of said dispute that lasted till February on 2010, we are still here. Numerous articles have been written and shown about us in several newspapers and on WCJB – TV 20. Nanette, from Caboodle, called me when she learned of the dispute. She offered to take our cats if the decision was made to shut us down. I thanked her for the much appreciated offer and told her we would find other property should we have to move the cats. The coyotes killing cats topic was discussed and I was told there was a problem but they were going to be putting up a fence. Since it now appears that the fencing at Caboodle has just been completed but still not 100 % effective, I have to wonder just how many cats have been eaten since the conversation I had with Nanette. It must be in the hundreds or thousands. The MINDSET of a rescue that would continue to take animals in, without making sure they were safe from predators, SERIOUSLY bothers me. I would have thought that providing the cats with a SAFE HABITAT would have been more important and ranked higher on the priority list than building cute little houses. That is NOT RESCUE!! I can’t help but think about a woman who lived at the end of a dirt road that was an established dumping area for unwanted dogs and cats near Ft. White Florida. We took several kittens from her and helped her spay/neuter many more. She told me that the animals that found their way to her house were safe but many times she had to listen to the coyotes killing the ones that did not find safety with her. She described how much it affected her to listen to the cats, kittens, puppies and dogs scream as they were chased, caught and eaten. Sometimes the screaming went on for some time before it abruptly stopped when the animal was finally killed. If made me cringe, just listening to her tell about it and knowing the sheer terror those that were killed went through before they died. I would not want to be a Caboodle neighbor and have to listen to it either. |
| Nov 15, 2010 Rating | MY opinion, everbody has one. Fellow Cat Lovers |
Recently, I was advised that I needed to “check this website out” and found all the discussion on Caboodle Ranch. As I have read and followed all the messages, both for and against, I find that I feel the need to express my opinion on this subject. I have heard comments from several unrelated persons who don’t know it other, For the record, I am not in favor of shutting down Caboodle Ranch. Others are correct, if Caboodle were to be forced to shut down, some if not all the cats would be killed, just like at 10th Life Sanctuary, 100+ cat died there. No one wants that. As a director of Haven Acres Cat Sanctuary, I am well aware of the tremendous need for MORE of us, not less. For those who have not heard of Haven Acres Cat Sanctuary, Inc. we incorporated as a non-profit in 2003 and became an IRS 501(c)3 in 2005. We are located between High Springs and Alachua Florida. Our website is www.havenacres.org for any to visit if they wish. We care for about 200 cats on a daily basis. We have had in excess of 500 at one time and I can tell you, there is no way one person can properly and adequately care for that number of cats especially with sporadic volunteers.
A bit about my credentials, I am a NACA certified Animal Control Officer and
was employed in both Arizona and Florida in that capacity for more than 15 years. I have over 200 hours of training in Law Enforcement and Cruelty Investigations. It was because of my job that Haven Acres came to exist, as there just has to be a better way to deal with cats than just kill them. I am a Certified Euthanasia Tech and will comment on that topic shortly. So for the others out there who scrutinize these posts for the experience level of other posters, I truly have “been there and done that“.
…………..to be continued……………..
| Nov 14, 2010 Rating | My opinion of Cat Hell Cat hell is where PEOPLE expect you to live like a wild animal in which you are not, you are domesticated. Cat hell is where you have to live in extreme heat or extreme cold when once you lived years with a loving family/home who made sure you were protected from these types of weather changes. Cat hell is when your owner brings you to this place for wild animals and turns you over to someone who is still learning how to handle domesticated cats and removes you from your pretty little carrier with all your toys and sticks you inside a cage that is filthy with flies swarming all around you, cats all around you with mucus running from their noses and mouths, and feces all around. Cat hell is when you are finally freed from this space, that is if you make it without getting sick and dying, if the stress didn’t kill you first, only to be let out into an area where you are expected to out run a swift small dog like creature named a ‘coyote’ who wants you for his dinner. If he doesn’t get you the first time, there are many nights to come. Cat hell is wondering why tn the HELL did your owners not love you enough to find you a place that PROTECTS you and CARES about your well being? |
| Nov 14, 2010 Rating | Voter Voter, |
why is it cat hell?
you just did not explain anything.
| Nov 13, 2010 Rating | you are right |
YOU ARE RIGHT I DO AGREE WITH YOU IT MAKES ME SO UPSET WHEN PEOPLE DON’T CARE ABOUT THEIR OWN BELOVED CATS PEOPLE WHO DON’T CARE THAT THEIR OWN CATS SUFFER THAT IS ABUSE ON BEHALF OF WHAT THEY ARE DOING ITS WRONG AND SO SAD THAT THEY DON’T EVEN PICK UP THEIR PASSED A WAY CATS YOU CAN CONTACT FOX 6 NEWS AND THEY CAN HELP YOU I CAN LOOK UP THE PHONE NUMBER ON THEIR WEBSITE IF YOU WISH ME TO
| Nov 13, 2010 Rating | Cat hell Yes you are right, and people from other rescues and who have dealt with cats try to play it off saying well what do you expect they are out in the woods, there is wild life, etc. But the big problem I have is the BIG LIES they tell on their web site. People will be made aware. I am making sure. I never said I wanted the place closed down but they certainly need to TRULY PROTECT their cats and use better hygiene when administering meds. Also learn how to handle cats too in different situations. There is a lot of problems there. |
| Nov 13, 2010 Rating | My Vote Been there……It’s cat HELL !!!! |
| Nov 12, 2010 Rating | surviving at CR As a friend of mine said about CR and the cats “only the strong survive”. |
| Nov 12, 2010 Rating | Some cats are different then others First, I would like to say to Dale, so sorry about the lose of your husband, especially from a brain tumor. My Grandma died of a brain tumor many years ago and It was not a good thing to watch. |
Secondly, I would say that cats have different personalities. Some may do very well at a rescue or shelter or even Caboodle Ranch, some others my die when put in the same situation. I have a few of both, but I would never take them to Caboodle Ranch. The risk of sickness or coyote attack for even those suited to that environment is to great.
| Nov 12, 2010 Rating | Caboodle support Why did I give up both cats? I wasn’t sure only Wiley peed as I didn’t always see it happening. If I kept Lena, the vet said she might have been attracted to residual odors and continued peeing inappropriately. I had already torn up carpeting and replaced it with flooring, threw out a couch and arm chair. In addition, the odor was awful and I even had workmen who wouldn’t work in the area. Certainly an unhealthy situation for my grandchildren. |
To the person who wondered if I got lucky at Caboodle–I only know the facts in my case, and for me, the fact is that Caboodle has been a wonderful solution. And I reiterate, I did get an email photo of Wiley on Sept. 15 and one of Lena on Oct 15. How in the world would anybody know who got pictures? And how could you say NOBODY gets pictures of their cats? I wouldn’t know who did or didn’t, but I’m happy to have gotten mine.
I am not on Facebook.
I am sorry for those of you who have had bad experiences and understand that you regret leaving your cats. I still intend to volunteer at Caboodle and will certainly try to make life for the resident cats as good as it can be.
| Nov 12, 2010 Rating | our state Our state is not required to follow the rules as Georgia and some. But we need to have that CHANGED. Anyone want to help me? And what about places lying on their web sites? Is there a law about that and can we have that changed to? I say it’s time we do something about it, and in the long run, CR will start having to abide by these rules too. And unfortunately a lot of babies will continue to lose their lives there. 🙁 |
| Nov 12, 2010 Rating | Who To Call Every State has a Department of Agriculture. You might try contacting them. They have inspectors that go out & check on places for violations, etc. |
Joyce E. Maser-Ellis
WarmFuzzy’s
http://www.warmfuzzys.org
| Nov 12, 2010 Rating | Fun Coyote Facts >They communicate with a distinctive call, which at night often develops into a raucous canine chorus< |
Yes indeedy they do ! There are times when their howling & screaming raises the hair on the back of my neck.
Just a few days ago we had to grab the .22 rifle to convince a coyote ( shot over his head) not to take out one the baby calves that are on our property.
Joyce E. Maer-Ellis
WarmFuzzy’s
http://www.warmfuzzys.org
| Nov 12, 2010 Rating | The Good Ole Boys http://hubpages.com/hub/Corrupt-Government-and-Animal-Abuse |
WOW. UNREAL.
| Nov 12, 2010 Rating | FUN COYOTE FACTS 🙁 If there truly are a lot of coyote in this area of caboodle ranch I think it would be anonymous that it could be hell. |
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The coyote appears often in the tales and traditions of Native Americans?usually as a very savvy and clever beast. Modern coyotes have displayed their cleverness by adapting to the changing American landscape. These members of the dog family once lived primarily in open prairies and deserts, but now roam the continent’s forests and mountains. They have even colonized cities like Los Angeles, and are now found over most of North America.
Coyote populations are likely at an all-time high.
These adaptable animals will eat almost anything.
They hunt rabbits, rodents, fish, frogs, and even deer. They also happily dine on insects, snakes, fruit, grass, and carrion.
Because they sometimes kill lambs, calves, or other livestock, as well as pets, many ranchers and farmers regard them as destructive pests.
Coyotes are formidable in the field where they enjoy keen vision and a strong sense of smell.
They can run up to 40 miles (64 kilometers) an hour. In the fall and winter, they form packs for more effective hunting.
Coyotes form strong family groups. In spring, females den and give birth to litters of three to twelve pups. Both parents feed and protect their young and their territory. The pups are able to hunt on their own by the following fall.
Coyotes are smaller than wolves and are sometimes called prairie wolves or brush wolves. They communicate with a distinctive call, which at night often develops into a raucous canine chorus.
WELL THAT IS SPOOKY!
| Nov 12, 2010 Rating | darling dale why on earth did you give up the cat that did not pee to this place too? |
| Nov 12, 2010 Rating | I CARE. DO YOU? I forgot to ask in my last comment if I could get some pics of my babies to you I CARE? Do you still go there? I had a bunch printed. I am on face book let me know if you are. thanks |
| Nov 12, 2010 Rating | My Babies I just feel like adding tonight that for the kitties at Caboodle Ranch, who are doing good, it makes me happy. |
If there was a possibility that my babies are were out there, I tried and hoped. I would give anything to have them back and I still feel that I should have been able to see them by now.
I am upset with myself for not realizing that something like this could happen. I know that most people don’t plan on going back after they leave them. Did Dale simply get lucky?
If I had the time and money I would absolutely want to be out there as much as possible and help but as the days have moved on I have heard so many things. I am possibly naive to think there would not be issues, but I have not even had pets let alone had to suddenly give up pets. It has been too traumatic. I should have known better but my mind was not all there at the time. If I had been thinking properly I would have realized I was going to leave 3 of the sweetest cats in the woods with other predators. I just did not think of any of this.
I love the kitties out there so much that it is even sad to leave them. I worry about them now. Every day because I made a mistake I cry over missing my babies. I can’t move on and maybe I came forward with the story because I know talking about CR will stop my being able to go out and force me to move on. This is a horrible thought for me.
I honestly pictured them all together and happy running about the little houses and making friends with other sweet kitties. Even my father asked me how I did not know the odds of seeing just one of them going out on any given day would probably be slim with all of the woods out there. Back then when he said that I was not even thinking about the other creatures out in those woods.
Not thinking, because it was not possible at the time, caused me to lose my cats at a place I thought they would be safe. I hoped when things changed I could get them back. I could visit, donate, hold other babies and then one day when things were okay, take them home.
I didn’t know how anything was done out there. I just expected it was all done correctly. Maybe that sounds negative to some, but I am simply trying to understand why this experience would be heaven for one and hell for another.
Was I naive to not understand that possibility? Can anyone give me feedback on how ridiculous it was for me to not have realized this may not be the place for my cats and that I might not ever see them again? Did I do something really wrong or is this just the reality of a sanctuary. Are there animal rescuers and shelters here that know MY experience had a very high chance of occurring?
NOW, I wish they had been refused. It would turn out to be only about 1 month later that everything started to change again for the better and if I had just been able to hang in there….
| Nov 11, 2010 Rating | For Dale You can add to your story any way you like. There is no way however anyone emailed you anything! |
There is no ability to do that out there and they have NEVER done it for one of the people who have brought their cats there.
Are you implying your donation bought a safely watched 6 week kennel stay for your special cats? Or your “moderate” donation perhaps allowed you the extra special “get a picture of your cats in 6 weeks when they are hanging out and doing great bonus?”
I mean, who are you really? You, the only person in the history of Caboodle Ranch who got extra special attention while no one else has?
You have got to be kidding?
| Nov 11, 2010 Rating | For Dale You can add to your story any way you like. There is no way however anyone emailed you anything! |
There is no ability to do that out there and they have NEVER done it for one of the people who have brought their cats there.
Are you implying your donation bought a safely watched 6 week kennel stay for your special cats? Or your “moderate” donation perhaps allowed you the extra special “get a picture of your cats in 6 weeks when they are hanging out and doing great bonus?”
I mean, who are you really? You, the only person in the history of Caboodle Ranch who got extra special attention while no one else has?
You have got to be kidding?
| Nov 11, 2010 Rating | Caboodle support When I chose to enter a comment about my experience at Caboodle, I did not expect to be accused of lying about my name and my story or copying another’s comments (Nanette’s). |
My name is Dale,not Dean. I am retired and recently widowed. I wanted pets but unfortunately my husband had severe allergies and I was not able to have them. When he died 3 years ago (from a brain tumor), I adopted Lena and Wiley from a shelter. Sadly, Wiley, although altered, peed everywhere. The vet said he needed “mind-altering drugs.” I didn’t want to give him drugs, or put him back in a shelter, OR keep buying couches,so I researched refuges and found Caboodle. That’s why I gave up my cats.
As for my words being similar to Nanette’s– Apparently Nanette (whom I have not met) and I agree on how we describe Caboodle. Is that unusual? From the guest book entries, it looks like many people use the same words. I probably used similar words in this blog as I did in my guest book entry, which may be why they are familiar to some of you.
Because I noted that I was glad the cats did not fight at Caboodle, someone commented I must not have much cat experience. In their NJ home, my indoor cats spent time looking out the sun room windows. When my neighbor’s outdoor cat came by, my cats exploded at the window like they would tear the other cat apart. Seeing that, I was concerned how they would be with other cats. I was happy the cats at Caboodle were so calm.
I made a moderate, not huge donation when I dropped the cats. After I left them, I called Craig once a week for about 6 weeks until the cats got out of the newby kennel. When I spoke to him, he knew exactly which cats I was calling about and told me when he took them up to his trailer; how Wiley was fine in the population, but Lena was still nervous and stayed mostly inside. Shortly after that conversation, I asked for and received an email picture of Wiley and another one of Lena outside. There was no question which cats they were.
Sorry, somebody’s intuition is wrong. I am Dale, I live in northern NJ close to NYC, and I am not interested in meeting your NJ sister who would confirm my story. It’s a bad idea for anyone to give out information on the internet. As for having 10 people confirm I owned the cats- It would be simpler to have my vet attest to it, if it were really necessary. Also, I am not involved with Facebook and will not be posting any pictures there.
I am a volunteer, have a family and other responsibilities. Certainly plenty to do without spending time trying to validate my Caboodle experience in this blog. I have no motive to make up my story and it is a little disappointing to have strangers very willing to disbelieve me because their experience at Caboodle was different from mine. I still plan to volunteer there and if I see issues that need to be addressed, I will certainly do what I can to fix them.
| Nov 11, 2010 Rating | This Dale guy…or whatever Ya know, looking at that comment, then remembering the words that Nanette wrote, they are almost identical…..They both said the same words about how great CR is…weird…Dale my butt…lol |
| Nov 11, 2010 Rating | Coyote info Coyotes are opportunistic feeders, meaning they will feed on whatever is most readily available and easy to obtain. Their primary foods include fruit, berries, small rodents, rabbits, birds, snakes, frogs, and insects. They will scavenge on animal remains, including road-kills, as well as garbage and pet food left outdoors. In suburban areas they prey upon unprotected pets, including outdoor house cats and unsupervised domestic dogs. Because coyotes utilize so many different food sources, they have adapted to and live in a variety of habitats including urban and heavily populated areas. |
Coyotes can jump over and dig under fences that are improperly built. Coyotes don’t leap fences in a single bound but, like domestic dogs, they grip the top with their front paws and kick themselves upward and over with the back legs. Coyotes can easily jump a 5 to 6 foot fence.
Outdoor feeding attracts many wild animals to your door!
This info was taken from
| Nov 11, 2010 Rating | Biggest Problem Ok we all know places like this do get dirty quickly, but I know first hand that place does not get cleaned daily, not as big as a deal as the fact that no one knows that their cats could get run down and eaten by coyotes and that the web site is MIS-LEADING in that sense. SAFE? PROTECT? I don’t think so. Also in the matter of the cleanliness, ok, well maybe Craig can’t keep up with the trailes but the least he can do is practice hygenic handling of sick cats and stop letting the sick mingle with the healthy and also learn how to handle stressed cats and kittens from others who has more experience than he does. Let more people come in to help, take care of those babies and WANT TO PROTECT THEM. |
| Nov 11, 2010 Rating | to Dale Dale, I have heard your statement before so it makes we wonder myself who you are. You said you were surprised that all the cats weren’t fighting. When someone makes that comment, it tells me they don’t know a lot about cats and probably have not been around a lot of cats. Why do people automatically assume cats when put together will fight? You have to remember also that CR states they don’t let their cats roam the property til they have been fixed and fixed cats just don’t care to fight too much at all. You still may have your temperamental females but that’s about it. And I have NEVER NEVER heard of Craig or anyone every sending anyone pictures of their cats. Unless you might have made a huge donation they might of done that for you. |
| Nov 11, 2010 Rating | DEAN, DALE, DON, ? How odd I called you DEAN. Maybe, it was an intuitive mistake showing me your name is not DALE after all. |
Either way DALE, let me know if my sister in NJ can contact you to verify your story since she is from and living in NJ.
She can verify my CR story. She was so opposed to my bringing them there from what she saw online that most people including myself thought was a cat haven.
She just knew from all the animals she has saved, shelters she has worked with, people she has met, experiences she has had for years and years that this could not be a good place for my cats. It turned out she was right.
I did not listen to her and I will pay for eternity unless they show up like yours did, won’t I DALE?
| Nov 11, 2010 Rating | for Dale c’mon Dale. Please put this name, Dale’s Caboodle Experience and pictures of your cats on face book and put the link here. |
Also, please provide us with at least 10 people who will testify that you owned 2 cats and that you live in NJ and that you took your 2 cats there.
Make these 10 witnesses only, your face book friends, and make sure their settings are for all to see so we may see how many friends they all have and where they are from, assuming most will have to be from NJ since they met your cats personally and will lay to rest that you did not make them up.
When you prove that, well, you will have one over on all of us.
| Nov 11, 2010 Rating | This one’s for you DEANO! Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes and yes. So now the person who started this blog knows the God’s honest answer to her question. It may be heaven OR it may be hell. If you are DEAN, it’s heaven, but if you are me, it is hell. You can bet everything you have that I would have never taken them there if I knew what I know now. Just know, these sweet beautiful creatures are living in the woods amongst so many things they can not fight or speak up about. So I recommend you speak up a lot if you are considering this. I recommend you make 6 trips there first and stay for at least 6-8 hours while looking at everything. |
Go there and try to talk to Craig yourself. But whatever you do, don’t ask questions. Don’t make suggestions to help, don’t show fear or negativity or be upset by anything you may end up seeing and you may walk away like lucky DEANO, were you named after Dean Martin, DEAN? DEANO is one happy camper and I would like to die.
Thank you for reading. If anyone who sees this could go live out there because you are independently rich and be there cleaning every single day or running the cats back and forth to the vets or doing all of the many, many other necessary and very costly things, please go there if you love cats more than anything else in life. Go out there and fix it. Make all the bad go away. Or do something even more incredible and get the cats adopted, which is not allowed. There are cats there dying to go home with you. More visitors who would take them home and love them would be a very helpful thought. But chances are, you are going out there like I did, to dump your babies, for whatever reason. The difference between me and apparently every one else, is I want mine back.
and one last thing, good luck with the 6 visits and the speaking up part and the being able to hang around for hours…..before you leave yours.
May God forgive me if there is a God, for telling the truth. May Craig forgive me for telling the truth. But most, most, most importantly, may my babies forgive me for what i have done to them.
| Nov 11, 2010 Rating | This one’s for you DEANO The place needs too much. I wish I could wish it into existence for them but it really needs too much. It is a lot of what I have read. I have said things to Craig. He gets mad. I am not lying, or deceiving or talking badly here. I am just telling the truth. It hurts for me to tell the truth. |
But I need to go back to DEAN now. And rather than fight somebody or debate them I will say that not only is he very lucky to know his cats are there, but in sticking with the honesty I also have to say I don’t think he is really someone named Dean from N.J. which by the way I am from and my sister still resides in so we can find you DEAN, who took your cats there and was sent photos of them. Craig has NEVER told me that story. In fact Craig told me I am the only person who has EVER called to check on their cats after dropping them and who has ever wanted their cats back in all the years he has been out there. I have called him probably 250 times out of 300 days for example.
I do not agree with DEAN either on all of the remarks he made. Yes, it breaks my heart to say that, but I am hearing a lot of upset people talk who don’t even have there cats there and the talk is real.
What more can I do. I cry every day and night and I suffer with guilt and shame and miss them every second of my life. It is 7 months and 1 week right now and I just want to die so I guess saying all of this and telling the truth does not matter any way. I will never, ever see my loves again. What do I think happened to them from what I fear could have? This part hurts too because I did not think first.
Coyotes ate them, disease got them, fear and hiding and starvation, ran out to road and got run over, snake bite, killed by another cat, I mean, you tell me folks. I may not have known CR but I know my babies and I really believe they are gone forever. If anyone has any suggestions of how to find them out there I would give you a big reward but first you need to get past Craig and I don’t think you will.
Coyotes, yes Craig told me they are there. Snakes, yes, Craig told me they are there.
Are cats sick or healthy or happy or sad, or eating or starving, or needing or getting medical care, or cold or hot, or dying or dead?
| Nov 11, 2010 Rating | Here’s to you Deano! Now here is the truth. I talked to Craig many times before I took them there and he said a couple of wise things to me. He said I should try to keep them because he could tell how much I loved them but he also said he would take them if I chose that because being allergic would only get worse as I aged. Allergies was why I never had a pet in my adult life, though I did try to save many cats and find them homes over the years. These particular 3 cats just came to me, showed up maybe cause someone left them behind. I will never know. But I had them for about 26 months and loved them with all of my heart. |
I told Craig around my 7th trip that if I had come out there 1 or 2 more times first, I would have never left them there. I have told Craig he needs a lot more help there. I have confirmation that there are Coyotes everywhere there. Yes, one confirmation is from Craig. I am not happy to say these things because I am doing something here that will cause my being able to go there again to cease. I am certain he will be very upset with me. But, honestly, my life if over. I will never be happy again. I even called the t.v. pet detective guy. He said first I would need a court order to hunt for my cats and 3 days would run about $4000.00. I would give him $4000.00 but I can not believe they are still there and neither does he. Not one of them has ever come to my voice or whistles.
So what do I think or know, now? I know that this man told me every day for 12 days that my babies were safe, fine, eating and good but when I got there two had magically vanished. Please, DEAN, what should I think? I got no explanation because he had just seen them that morning.
| Nov 11, 2010 Rating | This one’s for you Deano Well, sorry. I had to submit my story in more than one comment because it is too long. Okay. I did not want to write something here because it means the end for me, but I was told about this blog from my sister who is an animal rescuer, vegan and peta type of person with 9 cats, 2 dogs, a squirrel, a seagull, an injured duck, and the list goes on. I just gotta speak to all that I read here. |
I particularly will aim this to DALE. Dale, you are so very lucky and I am more upset reading what you said than all the rest. I know Craig very well and have been out to CR many times now. I checked it out the first time when I was considering bringing my 3 babies there. I have even been mentioned here because I thought or had more of a gut feeling that the dead cat photo could be my Pumpkin. I even said that to Craig.
I decided after one trip to bring my 3 babies out there on Easter Sunday, April 4th. I gave Craig a $500.00 donation and was assured by him and his volunteer, I forget her name, maybe it was Jen, that my babies would be fine and held in a kennel for 4-6 weeks. Of course I did not love this, but those are the rules. I also, right now, would give an internal organ to have them back. I can see how that sounds crazy since I took them there, but I had no choice at the time, or at the lease, felt I did not.
12 days later when I went back after driving Craig insane and calling him about 3 times a day, 2 of my babies were gone. My girl, Tinkerbell was scared to death. I took her from the kennel and she was always a scaredy baby anyway, where she was surrounded by about 8 strange cats, because they were all black and hissing. I guessed they were feral. There was also another huge cat that flipped out and clung all spread out to the cage wall, screaming/meowing. Craig had no idea where they were and said he saw them that morning. I was there at 2 p.m.
I made a second huge mistake and left my girl down at the base camp. It tore me up again, but I swear at the time it is just the way it was. I was so scared for my other two babies that I thought they needed her, they would find each other, I would come back and get all 3 when they started to hang around the base camp.
I have made about 10 trips now and I have never seen one of them again.
| Nov 10, 2010 Rating | Hooray for Caboodle I have been to Caboodle and have walked the property before I left 2 cats there in July. I have gotten photos of both of them over the last few months (they are easily recognizable) and I am very happy with their appearances. |
The cats I saw at Caboodle were primarily in good shape, with a few runny noses. The property was clean with lots of food and water. I was impressed that while I was there, I did not see cats fighting. They seemed to be happy together.
Over my weekend stay, I was able to see where the cats lived–from the ones who stayed where the houses are, to the cats who preferred the suburban and remote areas. There are lots of areas for cats to roam in and lots of safe places for them to go. The holding pens for new cats were clean and roomy.
Of course there will be a certain percentage of sick cats in a group of that size, but I know vet staffs visit and certainly cats that need more care than Craig can give are taken to the vet.
I did not see the problems this site expresses and believe this presentation is not accurate. I will be volunteering there again shortly (all the way from New Jersey.) There are many people who have actually been to Caboodle who do not agree with most of the complaints noted here, though that’s not to say improvements can’t be made. But in general, it is a wonderful resource for cat lovers.
| Nov 10, 2010 Rating | Corrupt Government and Animal Abuse Corrupt Government and Animal Abuse |
People need to read this also. I didn’t do it here at PoC as it concerns both cats and dogs and I have to stick to cat issues here. But this could be what’s happening.
| Nov 10, 2010 Rating | issues The sheriff’s was called, that town is small and they seem to clam together. Don’t even try to call humane society, that one is a joke. And about the cats going missing, some have wandered onto other property and only God knows what happened to them, but I can say that the neighbors there did not feed or take them in. It’s a very sad ending for most. If they are weak and looking for food and not going back into the center of CR then yes the coyotes are thick out there. CR should be ashamed of letting this happens to some of the most loving, affectionate and beautiful cats that were brought there under the impression they would live out happy lives. There are only some in the middle. You have to remember they are right now trying to bring their #’s back up before their open house, that is why they are letting everyone think they aren’t taking cats by what the site says, but taking them in every day probably and definitely on weekends. We saw a total of 4 different cars there the one day and at one point large cages sitting on the ground, we could not get close enough to see what was in them. I wanted to wave down the car as it was leaving but we had to leave, it was getting late and dark out. |
| Nov 10, 2010 Rating | Aren’t there laws Should we all be calling the sheriff’s office? Aren’t there laws against animal cruelty and animal neglect? |
| Nov 10, 2010 Rating | Just a question. With so many missing cats (within days of being left at caboodle ranch), is it possible this guy is selling cats to animal researchers or are the coyotes just taking that many everyday? |
| Nov 10, 2010 Rating | IT IS A NIGHTMARE I’ve been there twice, very recently. The place is filthy….EVERYWHERE! I saw so many sick, dying and injured cats it is incredible this man can continue to do this to these defenseless animals. It is a CRIME this place is allowed to exist!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| Nov 10, 2010 Rating | thanks Thanks for caring as myself, at least I am not alone. I have others too, but you blew me away cause you know exactly what I too have experienced. Thanks for sharing! And God is watching down, he has your back 🙂 because you are trying to be an Angel to the kitties at Caboodle. Thanks again. please email me at carolynsuelogan@yahoo.com so that maybe we can talk. |
| Nov 10, 2010 Rating | PICTURES AT CABOODLE RANCH Oh dear God. The pictures at that Caboodle’s Ranch are horrible!! |
Am I wrong or should those poor cats, some of them anyway, be put down? They all look so very sad. I felt along with a man I recently spoke with that there are cats out there that need a hospice set up. You can not just take cats in continually even with good intentions and not provide what they need. It becomes a serious debate about what is really better. I am so thankful there can be a place to take these cats but not if it is not run correctly. Lying to people about what it will be like there for your cat is such a sin, I just have no words!! The truth should be told as this website I went to states. I can just think of all of the people I chatted with this last month who said they never saw their cat or cats again. Well where are those cats??
There is a food can on the floor near the filthy liter boxes, there is a cat EATING what looks like throw up right next to what looks like diarrhea?? What is going on out there in those trailers?? There appears to be a cat dish in the filthiest bathroom I have ever seen which means they eat and drink in that room. Where is that room, I don’t remember it. Then as if the “inside places for these animals are not heinous enough they have to venture out with coyotes! ?? I chatted with someone who went door to door and confirmed they are everywhere there and they were told by several different neighbors that they are there most likely because of the easy prey/food source. How do we get all of this to the right investigative people who will know to question EVERYTHING going on out there!!!
Has anyone ever ventured out into the woods there? I never did. When you are doing chores you can’t just up and disappear. I wonder what is out there? Is it only me or is anyone else concerned about why a nonprofit needs to own 30 ACRES anyway?? Anyone??
Can you hire a detective to investigate the 30 ACRES or is that illegal?? Does anyone have any legal or important animal investigator contacts?? Why the hell does he have 30 ACRES? I only observed maybe 5-7 being utilized??
This is what I said…there is simply NOT ENOUGH HELP FOR THIS THING TO BE A SAFE HAVEN!!! This is the first time I saw the Caboodle’s Angels website and I am horrified to see and read these things.
The one woman I spoke with some time ago mentioned seeing a dead cat photo that she felt could have been hers!! If that is true we are talking about a healthy 3-4 year old torti that she claims was all up to date on all medical. This is a nightmare for me because the photo at this site must be the cat she was referring too. Does anyone else know her? If you have her name, number, email can you let me know!!
I feel so strongly about this bad feeling as if it is confirmed again. I know what I experienced out there. I know what I saw or thought was not quite right. I am now speaking for all of the cats out there.
| Nov 10, 2010 Rating | Another question even though no one is answering from CR I was curious, when I was there they had stacks and stacks of pet carriers in which Nanette informed me and my friend Stephanie that they were donating them to animal groups. I asked Nanette “what will yall do if fire or something breaks out here in the woods?”, she said “nothing will happen”, I then even mentioned how they could even have a hurricane come through there. If you are a sanctuary for animals wouldn’t you have some type of emergency plan in case something were to happen? And why get rid of the carriers when you might need them in a situation like that? |
| Nov 10, 2010 Rating | Google How High Can Coyotes Jump You’ll find all kinds of references. One says a coyote can climb a 5 ft fence with a 10lb prey in its mouth. There are too many references to their climbing ability not to take them seriously. |
| Nov 10, 2010 Rating | Stray Cat The stray cat that we rescued that had been coming in and out of Caboodle Ranch is in good care and I just received the copy of the vet’s report on her. If anyone is interested you can email me at savethekitties@caboodlesangels.com and I will send it to you. |
| Nov 10, 2010 Rating | Re: Caboodle Ranch Nice Kathy:) Glad to hear that your animals are safe. So in your opinion, a five foot horse fence with the top and bottom not secured would not be an adequate fence to keep domestic animals in and wild animals out? |
| Nov 10, 2010 Rating | Craig This is where Craig won’t let it happen. Not only myself but others have expressed to him the proper fencing to protect the cats, but you can’t argue with him. He is a saint and thinks he knows everything. I lost sleep and lost 15 lbs the 4 weeks I went there. Thinking about all those babies and my own. And I know the cat #’s were down, you could tell. Then Nanette told us some bad stories about the coyotes coming all the way into the center of the property and taking cats. It blows me away that they deny all this now. I have been asking the same thing about if he cares about them, why didn’t he make this #1 on his list. 3 of us went out over the weekend and scoured the neighborhood and talked w/neighbors there, you don’t even want to know what they said about the coyotes. Especially the family that is right next to Caboodle. He told us, we never even asked, he said Craig was feeding the coyotes. |
| Nov 10, 2010 Rating | Protection should come first For anyone who runs a sanctuary for domestic animals, it is of utmost importance to ensure that no wild animals can breach the cattery/dog run. We have used 2×4″ welded wire reinforced w/”chicken wire {mesh}. Our catterys / dog runs are about 9′ high with a one foot overhang (inward) to which is attached more chicken wire/shade cloth so that the tops are closed, as well. We stake all around the perimeter every 6-8″, with the stakes being driven 8″ into the ground. Our animals have ingress/egress into the house 24/7 though we always bring every one in at dusk just to be sure of their safety. We have wired spot lighting around the entire sanctuary which are all controlled from 2 places so that it takes a minute to light up the place if we feel the need. And, a .22 shot into the ground doesn’t hurt, either, to scare off intruders who might harm the animals. It takes lots of time, energy and $ but it must be done to protect animals. |
| Nov 10, 2010 Rating | making me cry Ok, I thought I knew who you were, but I don’t, but you have made me cry because I already knew all these horrors and it saddens me so deeply. |
| Nov 10, 2010 Rating | PART IV What does all of that which I just said mean? It means that there is a huge problem because an elderly man with no regular weekly help and animal care for the over 600 cats that are supposedly there,(and here I pause with great sadness, because he will tell you 250 to 300 when you visit him, yet if one were to do the math I am afraid it might be very frightening) can not possibly keep up with the operation. I spoke with another gentleman who witnessed about 25 cats come in recently and was only there a couple of hours. |
So lets do that math. If Caboodle Ranch has been there for even just 4 years and I believe it longer and began conservatively taking in cats the first year but by year two took them in regularly, and we can pick a reasonable random number like 10 a week, and I know for a fact that is EXTREMELY LOW, 52 weeks times 3 years is 1560 cats. Where are they???
| Nov 10, 2010 Rating | You have all the facts You have all the facts, I wish I knew who you were. I think I might. Everything you stated is true, no lights, no heat, no fans or ac, I even offered to get that stuff for free, HE REFUSED IT. |
| Nov 10, 2010 Rating | WOW WOW thank you I CARE, you just don’t know what it means to have someone else come forward with exactly what I have been trying to say and MORE!!! |
God Bless You!!!!
| Nov 10, 2010 Rating | PART III WHERE ARE ALL OF THE CATS??? WHERE ARE THE CATS PEOPLE HAVE BROUGHT THERE AND CAN NOT FIND??? WHERE ARE THE CATS BURIED??? HOW ARE THEY GETTING PROPER CARE WHEN RUNNING IN AND OUT OR STAYING OUT WHEN THERE IS NO STAFF, NOW VET THERE EVERY WEEK KEEPING PAPER WORK, NO CLEANING PEOPLE WHO KNOW HOW TO PROPERLY DISINFECT, NO VOLUNTEERS KEEPING UP ON BLANKETS AND BEDDING FOR THE CATS WHO SLEEP AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PICTURES ON PAPER TOWELS??? HOW DO YOU HAVE THAT MANY CATS WHO ARE NOT GETTING PROPER CARE NOT SPREADING DISEASE??? WHAT OF THE BULLYING SOME CATS CAN DO AND NOT ALLOW OTHERS TO GET THE OCCASIONALLY WET FOOD BUT RELY ON DIRTY FEEDERS OF DRY FOOD THAT GET TOPPED OFF AND RARELY IF EVER WASHED??? WHAT OF THE BACTERIA THERE??? |
LIKE CAROLYN POSTED TO BEGIN WITH, THERE IS JUST TOO MUCH TO EVEN SHARE AND WHEN YOU COME UP AGAINST JUST ONE PERSON IT RIPS YOU APART.
How does this get fixed?? Why are there not regular surprise visits at non-prof organizations that have so many animals??? Why is there 30 ACRES and 5 are used? What is on the rest of the property??? Where does this man live, sleep, shower, eat??? I have been told, in a chair with a bunch of cats on him. I have been told he eats fast food 3 times or more a day by people who have gone with him to eat while volunteering. I have been told by the sheriff’s department confidentially that he is considered unhygienic and a bit of a hoarder!!! Who can make something happen here to either get someone on payroll for this place to run it properly, who can make it happen that a regular vet is there once a week with his HUGE, HUGE, GIGANTIC truckload of files on the cats??? Who can make something happen about people’s missing cats???
| Nov 10, 2010 Rating | PART II Where are the ones you will see when you volunteer/visit all day and never see again no matter how many times you volunteer and visit afterwards? What if the number is 3000? Where are they. |
6th, there is just too many cats that have to be dying based on the very obvious facts. If I had been out there and found a dead one in a bag I would have had a stroke. If I ran it, I would pick that poor thing up, because “their life is as important as a human life” and I would immediately put it in the appropriate place, of which none exists out there and plan to bury it ASAP. By the way, where are the graves??? SHOULD THE 30 ACRES NOT BE SEARCHED JUST FROM THE SIMPLE MATH??? I want to know where the graves are? But before that I want to know how many cats have been taken in, where their paper work is, how they know who is getting health care needed, who is administering it, where are the hygienic care facilities? How are the cats that stay outside the fence and frequent many of the neighbors who are allowed to shoot cats out there in that town, or have their dogs attack them on their property, or stay on the outskirts of the central area getting any care at all?
Also, who is checking each cat coming in for disease when they are all thrown together in cages and kept there for weeks in the dark (no electricity at the kennel section at all? How are they ALL staying warm, after all how do a couple of thousand cats stay warm outside??? How could they all have survived the 110 feel like heat out there this summer with nowhere cool to go except for two filthy, fly infested, tiny, tiny, areas inside trailers that always have bright fluorescent bulbs blasting the cats as well, and bty is where the “medical treatments BY Craig Grant are performed?
| Nov 10, 2010 Rating | TO “JESSICA” PART I |
Jessica,I have never seen someone write quite the way you do. Firstly, there was NEVER a fence AROUND the “sanctuary” because it was only JUST recently finished and I would NOT consider it finished ever. It is the wrong type of fence. The cats can come and go as they please from so many areas that it is scary. The fence will never be appropriate because I have watched along with other workers, the cats CLIMBING over the fence, with difficulty for some who I had to retrieve because of their horribly precarious situation of being stuck. Now there is BARBED WIRE around the fence?
Secondly, Jessica you are no volunteer of that ranch who can say what you said unless your eyes were wide shut! If you go there more than once and by a third or fourth time actually are privy to the locked trailers, you have seen nothing!
People that have volunteered there who I know personally had the experience of finally conferring with others to realize they were not seeing the truth or just were not looking, which is perfectly understandable when your purpose to be there in the first place is to help.
Thirdly, I know, personally many people who have brought their cats there and upon returning in one, two, 5, a dozen, 14 days. You pick the number, THEIR CATS WERE GONE, MISSING FROM WHERE THEY WERE SUPPOSE TO BE HELD FOR WEEKS. I have had conversations with 4 of these people and they are devastated. Given the fact that many people bring many types of cats there, that the owner picks up cats all the time even from stray places, and that the cats are thrown together in large cages, held supposedly anywhere from 4-9 week OR MORE, there are just to many bad variables here for there to be great outcomes. As far as how they may die in the kennels there an added wonderful feature of their escaping them very soon and running off, YES RUNNING OUT of the non fenced and now as of a month ago recently poor,inadequate and improperly placed fence and being eaten by coyotes.
| Nov 10, 2010 Rating | Re Caboodle @ Jessica, I did not think my comments were that negative. I specifically stated at the beginning of my post that I had not been to Caboodle Ranch, I did this for a reason. I am going totally on the pictures and my responses from Caboodle on Facebook, why do they delete my questions instead of answering them straight out. If they have nothing to hide then answer my questions. It makes me that much more sucpicious when they continue to do this. |
@Joyce, Warm Fuzzy’s sounds like a wonderful place and I’m glad to hear that you keep your kitties safe. I live only 6 hours away, anytime you need help I would be more than happy to come down for a weekend and help out.
| Nov 10, 2010 Rating | wouldn’t it be nice I don’t know why but while uploading things to the Caboodle’s Angels site, I read the part about how Caboodle’s Angels wants to watch over the kitties, well I got this strange idea. Wouldn’t it be nice if Craig would really let us play the part of Angels for Caboodles? Like let us really in to help him? How much I would love that. Craig and I discussed me living on the property with him and he even said he had the money right now to buy a travel trailer to put on it. Everyone that knows me said to me “oh my goodness, finally you are doing what you are suppose to be doing”. They all know how much I love animals and how much I have always wanted to be on some property to take care of them and out of the city. It felt like it was too good to be true. And it was. He is a stubborn arrogant old man, in my opinion. Thinks he knows everything about cats when the truth is, he doesn’t have even 1/2 the experience that most of us cat lovers do. He just began his journey. It’s too bad a lot of little lives are paying the cost for that. |
| Nov 10, 2010 Rating | Web Site My site that is going up slowly but surely today and tomorrow will stay up like I said before. But now I have recent pictures that will be added from another source that I was asked that they want to remain anonymous for now. A lot of this should be up by this evening. www.caboodlesangels.com like I said it is in the process of being put up. I have started in writing my story of what happened at Caboodle there. |
We don’t wish Caboodle to be shut down, we only wish to warn others and hope that someday Caboodle will do the right thing concerning their cats.
| Nov 10, 2010 Rating | Watching with interest UK ‘troops’ are watching this with great interest but we can’t really comment because we are of course too far away to have ever visited Caboodle Ranch. Well done to Elisa and everyone else concerned about those cats and we hope it all turns out OK. |
| Nov 10, 2010 Rating | Caboodle Ranch WarmFuzzy’s is a sanctuary for primarily feral cats that I run mostly myself, sometimes the spouse helps. We are located on 60 acres in a rural area of MO. We are surrounded by coyotes, foxes, & bobcats. Our cats Do Not go outside. Period. We won’t let our dogs out at night by themselves & these dogs are a black & tan coonhound, one pit mix & 2 chow rotties mixes! |
We are no-kill & provide hospice care to several cats currently. I also know my limitations & that is why I sadly have to say no to taking in any more cats at this time. We have 30. I would love to have help with the daily chores. I can’t imagine anyone turning down good volunteer help which could only serve to be a benefit all the way around.
Our shelter has been nearly destroyed by a tornado & we have been desperately trying to make repairs to it. You can bet your bottom dollar that if someone offered to help build, repair, donate supplies, money or assistance we would gladly take it!
The bottom line is the welfare of the animals.
Joyce E. Maser-Ellis
WarmFuzzy’s
http://www.warmfuzzys.org
| Nov 10, 2010 Rating | Vet Just to let everyone know, we have spoken with their vet. I am not sure what word I am looking for here, but they make statements like the one posted below, but it isn’t what they make it out to be. The vet barely visits there, Craig sometimes will take a cat there, yes they do the thing where many of the cats get fixed or have a day of shots etc. But let me say that they keep no records. Sick cats would be hanging out by the back trailer, one day he might get his meds if he’s around, the next day if he has taken off into the woods, he don’t get them. Does anyone take notice? no they don’t. I stated before how I found a cat dragging his body on the ground very very sick with the stuff hanging from his nose and mouth. I went and told Craig and he told me where to find the anti-biotics, when i returned the cat was gone. Craig has to remember in his head about which cats have been fixed and which ones hasn’t, which he probably does pretty well with some. But we have seen the colored collars (the system they say they use) in the dirt. Many kittens are born there. On the Caboodle’s Angels wall there is a picture of one of the litters. Also someone had left kittens in a box probably about 3 weeks old. They all died. For one Craig thought that one, because he was bigger than the others, could eat on it’s own and he didn’t hand feed it. I fed him and he gobbled the milk down. But what happened after I left? All babies died. They were adorable. I don’t even like going back and remembering some of these things cause they hurt me as I seen and know of many cats that died while I was there. |
| Nov 09, 2010 Rating | Email from Deb Barrett at Caboodle Ranch This was in my email after sending them a message so they could give their side of the story. Here’s the email |
“Dear Ms. Taylor,
I hope this finds you well.
Attached below, please find just a few of the many letters Caboodle receives regarding personal visits as well as people that have surrendered their cats to Caboodle.
Please be assured that Caboodle is in good standing with the proper authorities and is compliant with all veterinarians, vaccinations, and has nothing to hide.
Sincerely,
Deb”
| Nov 09, 2010 Rating | Not what it seems I was just speaking with another woman who had taken cats to CR. And we both agreed the most important thing is to express from that we are ordinary people who looked at a cute little video of a man with cats. We are not a rescue group or the such and had no idea what too look for. We believed what we read on their site “SAFE”, “CARED FOR”, etc. We believed and so we trusted. She said that if she had waited and visited one more time that she would of never of left her cats there. This is my biggest qualm about it all. I am sorry everyone doesn’t know what to do or what to look for when visiting. Some even get the impression that Craig is some sort of saint with cats because of how the site (s) describe him. And the truth is that a lot of that info on the site is bologna. Like him building the little houses, he didn’t build them and the property was not bought with the intention of making Caboodle Ranch. It goes on and on. So I am making my site and it will stay up FOREVER to help people like myself and others that didn’t know that people in Craig and Nanette’s position will lie. We will forewarn others and ask them to not make a decision on the first visit along with other things. |
| Nov 09, 2010 Rating | the FIV’S I am just curious if anyone on here knows what happened to the 3 FIV cats that they kept in their so called “hide away” kennels hidden in the back? My last weekend there, the kennels were empty. And there is no other place to put those babies because they were contagious. They looked like they also had upper respiratory infections. I looked all over that day for them and could not find them. |
| Nov 09, 2010 Rating | to Jessica Are we starting to get a bad behavior on here now? Tells me the Cult has arrived. For one when were you at Caboodle? I have a total of 6 people alone that have been there regularly and one for the past 4 years who is ready to tell what they have seen. I have never heard your name mentioned as being a volunteer. So your 2 ppl is not so. Craig does not welcome visitors and when he does some never go int he trailers and the ones that have are horrified. Some have returned the following day to retrieve their cats realizing something isn’t right. And you are helping us to prove how CR is lying because NO ONE has been sued. NO ONE! They don’t have a leg to stand on when we are only stating facts. I have never been served anything like they said on their site, not EVER. And what is the truth about Carolyn? I am not homeless! And Craig and I never had an argument the day I left, I left on my on free will and told Craig “I have had enough!” that was my exact words. Also I wouldn’t be so sure that your cats are still there. You better go look. |
| Nov 09, 2010 Rating | OH PAHLEEZ! I hope people see that most the negative comments and allegations are made by 2 people. To me that says allot. And one hasn’t even been to the ranch, nice. I have, many many many times. Worked there day and night. It’s amazing. The allegations are so lame its laughable. Craig welcomes visitors. Why be upset if he doesn’t need volunteers right now. The cats are happy, healthy and safe and its fully fenced in. But I am sure there are ‘fence experts’ on this panel right? Right. Are there sanctuary experts? Nope didn’t think so. I am happy to hear that these people are being sued legally for libel and defamation. The girl on the tape hasn’t even been to the ranch. And Craig and his staff explained, didn;t hide, the facts of the photos. 12 thousand Face Book fans read the statement and the truth about Carolyn. Two sides to every story poeple. Lets not become Jerry Springer humans please. I find it very disappointing that The author even wrote this part, stiring the pot FOR a few people who are unstable and hellbent. But freedom of speech and all. GO visit the ranch people. And then please stop this nonsense. PS- I have brought 6 cats to the ranch, and gee, they are still there and happy despite the ‘horrors’ and killer coyotes. |
| Nov 09, 2010 Rating | to Paw Paw I totally agree with what you say. But my bringing out what I seen was intended to let others know who brought their cats there. Also the responses you seen on Caboodle Wall are false and we can even show you where they contradict their selves. I am new to rescues and shelters and was shocked that I would travel a few hundred miles only to find I was lied to and just now have learned that many of these places do that. But I wanted to forewarn others who brought their cats there, I never wanted Caboodle to be shut down. But everyone started crying “you are going to have them shut down”. That is not my intention. But since their web site will not state facts and even forewarn people who are bringing their little “precious” and whomever there, I will continue to let others know what I learned the hard way. They say “oh it’s heaven” well they got that part right, it could very well be heaven for their kitty a lot sooner than they expected. These are not feral cats as they state, can’t you even tell by the video? I have been all over that property, even the cats that are on the outskirts who don’t want to come in are not feral, some yes, but not even 1/2 as many as they state. They are scared a long for attention. I had a few of them coming closer and closer to me each weekend I spent there. I got very angry over the lies and over the amount of death that occurs there. |
| Nov 09, 2010 Rating | Caboodle Ranch I find it interesting that rescuers always seem to find fellow rescuers guilty until proven innocent. Let the people bringing the charges prove their case. Let the authorities investigate if there is sufficient evidence. I am sure that they can do a much better job of establishing the facts and determining the best outcome. |
In defense of Caboodle Ranch, I do not know of any cat shelter that is perfect. An outdoor shelter has just as many dangers as an indoor shelter, just a different kind. Every cat in a shelter is exposed to some kind of risk – disease, neglect, boredom and emotional trauma are just a few. Those in open admission shelters face a 75% chance of not leaving alive.
Before we condemn Caboodle Ranch, perhas we should ask a few questions:
Based on the number of cats at the shelter:
1. What is the percentage of cats lost to death by other than natural cause? Is this higher or lower than other shelters?
2. Has there been any charges of abuse or neglect leveled from reputable and knowledgeable authorities or animal professionals? If so, what was the outcome of such charges?
3. Has Caboodle Ranch saved more cats than if those cats had gone to an open admission shelter or a no-kill shelter?
Caboodle Ranch has posted some responses to the accusations made on their website. However, keep in mind that their foremost duty is to their cats and they cannot be expected spend their time defending themselves to the world. Again, let the accusers prove their case. That is how it works here in America.
Finally, it’s easy to be an armchair quarterback. It’s easy to criticize when you have not been out on the field. It’s easy to put someone down when you have not walked in their shoes.
How many of us have tried to run an outdoor shelter? Not many I’m sure. Are there problems at Caboodle? I’m sure there are, but I know of problems in many of our indoor shelters, including no-kill shelters.
The definition of success for any shelter is this: Have we saved more animals than we have lost? And the driving passion of any good shelter should be: How can we save more and lose less? None of us are problem free, and the animals always pay for our shortcomings. The answer is not to close shelters with problems, otherwise we would ALL have to close. Instead, as rescuers, we must come alongside of them and help fix them and support them until we know for certain that they are not working in the best interests of their animals.
Last word: Until we quit assuming that rescuers under fire are guilty until proven innocent, we will never be able to mount a united front in the midst of a nation that kills more animals than it saves, and more animals will suffer because of our infighting and divisions. If we are to truly become a no-kill nation, we must unite with our fellow no-kill rescuers, understanding that none of us are perfect, and that we all must depend on each other to improve our own rescues and the lives of the animals in our charge.
| Nov 09, 2010 Rating | letting people in at Caboodle to help Craig knows of all the options and was even offered from a fence company to finish it for FREE. He refused the help. Other things were offered too, all refused. He only wants things where people don’t have to come in, he told me in his own words “I don’t want people to see my sick cats”. I am not going to give the reason why he said that, but that was his words, I cannot speak for his thinking. |
and whomever is looking for my site, it is being put back up between tonight and tomorrow am.
www.caboodlesangels.com if you want you can search for our Group on Facebook Caboodle’s Angels
We already have one fantastic Angel in our Group as she is fostering the kitty from the Caboodle Area that was rescued this past weekend. I will post later her explaining to me today how the kitty is doing. It is very heart breaking.
| Nov 09, 2010 Rating | To Anon Carolyn’s website is www.caboodlesangels.com. I believe she was doing some updating today, so I may be down until tomorrow. Alot of the same info is on the Facebook group Caboodles Angels. |
| Nov 09, 2010 Rating | I’m with you Susan It would be great if he’d set up an adoption center. |
It’s hard to talk any sense into some of us older people. The older I get, the more bullheaded I become. I believe he thinks everything is OK or he’s afraid the whole thing is about to blow up in his face.
I have enough sense to realize 5 pets is my limit. He needs to realize it’s the care and not the quantity that matters. If people would realize their own limitations we wouldn’t be seeing so many of these cases.
| Nov 09, 2010 Rating | caboodle I want to find “Carolyn’s” website….thank you |
| Nov 09, 2010 Rating | Re: Caboodle Ranch Hi Elisa, yes I agree. I believe Craig started out doing a great thing, but things have gotten out of hand. To many cats and not enough help. If he could keep around 50 and set up an adoption center at Caboodle, I believe he could handle this. But. . . he won’t do that. |
| Nov 09, 2010 Rating | Thank you all Thank you all for being polite in your comments. There is a similar situation going on at a sanctuary in SC that I’ve been watching for several months. |
Unfortunately I believe if an inspection is done on a date NOT expected by the ranch, the animals may be taken immediately. If conditions are truly that bad, there will be no agreement to work things out as far as time is concerned. The animals will be removed immediately by animal control, examined, euthanized or cleared for adoption, and the word put out they are available.
I do hope rescue groups and vets in the area will stay on some type of standby as far as taking the cats. I feel the cats will find a home should the worst happen. I’ll be there to write the cats are in need if you send me a message on Facebook. That’s how I became aware of the conditions now.
I hate to think that Craig is anything but an individual who is getting older and trying to do too much on his own and is overwhelmed. Still, we have to stop accepting excuses as there are plenty of senior citizens who do manage to care for cats.
One thing we all need to keep in mind is to care for the cats and not become a hoarder, which is what he’s also being accused of doing.
I once adopted a Maine Coon from a rescue where over 130 cats were seized. The shelter had no room and the 4-H club housed the cats. All were adopted withing 2 days. It was amazing. Fortunately only 4 were put down. This was a case of 2 older ladies who let things get out of control.
Thanks for the fence info. Craig may not have been aware of this option.
| Nov 09, 2010 Rating | coyotes Kay, concerning the coyotes, they have fence up now, but it wasn’t done til recently. They had over 500 ft open fence in the back part of the property, the area where the coyotes came in from. Also Craig is not at the property every night that he claims he is. We have witnesses to that fact. But even today as we speak the fence is not secured at the bottom. The neighbors there have confirmed what we already knew from research, the coyotes are infested in that area. If you love the kitties, why don’t you want to protect them? Why did you lie on your web site that the “fending fund was a success, no more coyote problem”? I just don’t get it. It shook me up to hear Nanette tell me and my friend Stephanie, the horrow stories of coyotes at Caboodle. |
| Nov 09, 2010 Rating | Caboodle Ranch Coyote problem I have not seen or visited the ranch nor do I personally know anyone who has. But I do know how to comtrol coyotes. A 5ft fence is more than adiquite along with a buried cable on the bottom and an electric livestock wire mounted along the top facing the out side of the fence. This how we and other ranchers and farmers protect our small livestock (and chickens). This works and is fairly inexspencive. Amouther alturnitive is a guardian dog. Livestock guardian will also protect cats if they are raised with them. The dogs assu7me the cats are theirs to protect. The dogs are naturally reactive to anything that threatens thier charges. I know of several different types of rescure groups that use guardian dogs, even a parrot rescure with a huge flight aviravy. I just thought I would pipe in with these thoughts. Has anyone addressed this situation to the Florida ASPCA? If so what were their findings? Sorry I cannot offer any outher kind of help. Good Luck, Kay |
| Nov 09, 2010 Rating | The reality behind the hype I don’t know, I really don’t but this may be an example of the reality behind the hype. |
On the face of it, it is a wonderful thing and I am pretty sure that the intentions are genuine but to make things work properly is another thing all together.
It seems too that the operation may have grown too big for the people to cope properly.
I don’t know, just guessing but it is a shame because there is a demand for really good cat shelters that don’t kill their cats under the euphemism of the all pervading misleading concept of “euthanasia”.
Thanks Elisa for writing about it.
| Nov 09, 2010 Rating | Caboodle Ranch I will first state I have never been to Caboodle Ranch. I have seen the pictures, I have talked to multiple people that have been there and I have seen the lies that they have posted on their website. I do have screen prints of these if anyone is interest I can send them. I have over the last several months posted on there Facebook wall asking questions and they are always deleted within the hour or I am crucified for even asking. They have many supporters that have never been there, never seen the pictures but support them because their website has all the cute pictures and videos. If anyone has seen the pictures they would definitely question the health of the cats, I did and that is why I took the time to research and make the calls I did. The more time that goes by the more disgusted I become with Caboodle Ranch. I agree with Carolyn and with some others, Caboodle Ranch could be a great place but Craig needs help and he needs to listen to what people tell him. Which I have read in many places (and very recently) he will not do. One last note, Caboodle Ranch admitted in their “Statement” that the pictures were from CR and tried to explain each one off, not a good statement in my opinion, it’s almost laughable. |
| Nov 09, 2010 Rating | Caboodle Ranch Open House Sunday Caboodle broadcast that they are having an Open House. I can tell you from experience that this is just another ploy to make them look good in the publics eye so they can try and get us off their backs. The truth will prevail when someone does a surprise visit away from the date of this Open House. Also anyone can have a Open House and say, “Ok, you can come in now”. That gives them their own time to prepare for you, to make things “look good”. |
| Nov 09, 2010 Rating | Cat from Caboodle We have in our care a cat that daily came onto the neighbors of Caboodle Ranch. We took her with us this past Sunday because she was starving and sick. The people said she had been coming from Caboodle every day looking for food. We do know Craig does put food out for the cats. But we don’t feel enough is put out on the outer part where some of the cats stay. This cat that we have was taken to the vet because she had a hard time breathing. At the vet itself, she coughed up blood and there was blood in her stools. The vet believes she has parasites. Right now she is under care and a close watch and on meds. She is not feral and we hope to get her back to herself soon. She obviously was someone’s cat who decided to leave them at Caboodle. |
| Nov 09, 2010 Rating | Caboodle Also I just wanted to say that if anyone from Caboodle does respond, don’t just go by what they say, please make them show proof and facts. They have been telling lies for quite some time and we have the proof of it. Their web sites are misleading. The video you seen about the debate with Caboodle Ranch that was done by Kaitlyn where she used Tiger Ranch in the background was just to show and explain that this is what Caboodle Ranch could turn out to be. You will need to ask her to explain what she did on there. |
Also, no matter what happens has made me aware of how Florida’s rescues and animal welfare organizations should be regulated in the way as of keeping medical records and records that show what animals have been brought in. I am looking into this cause I think this could prevent anything like this from happening again.
Caboodle Ranch cannot hide behind their web of lies anymore. They need to be honest with everyone. I have some statements from others who have visited there if anyone is interested in reading them. Like myself, it was a nighmare. There was death everywhere the last weekend I spent there and when I tried to tell people what happened, I was crucified on Caboodle’s wall. So I quit going there all together. But Caboodle Ranch itself took what happened between Craig and I that weekend and twisted it. So if anyone is interested in my side, you can either go to Caboodle’s Angels on Facebook or you can request to be my friend. There is others statements on those walls.Thanks
| Nov 09, 2010 Rating | Not wanting it shut down It is not that anyone wants to have the Ranch closed down. We just want them to tell the public the truth on their website about the coyotes and also Craig needs to stop paying for everyone’s hotels and air flights and use that money to get him some help in there even if it’s just someone 5 days a week part time afternoons. The conditions of his sick bay and holding area for new cats is horrendous. He also does not handle stressed cats or kittens properly and because of this, many die. You asked me to post here, but you have to understand, there is SO MUCH to talk about. Also in response to your statement of Craig’s statement on why he does this is because he cares so much for the well being of the cats… well isn’t that why we all do it? Isn’t that even how hoarders start out? Craig may of had good intentions in the beginning, but now he refuses to let other in to help him and a lot of the bad things that are going on there could be prevented. As for the coyotes, we know many have lost their lives to these coyotes at Caboodle, but the main point is that THEY LIED and many people brought their precious house cats there believing they were SAFE. There is just too much to tell here. And we have pictures from 2 sources but stories from about 6 or more. No one wants Caboodle to close, we just want to see things done right and for Caboodle Ranch to truly be a Cat Sanctuary that Protects and cares for it’s cats. Thanks, anyone can search for Caboodle’s Angels on Facebook. |
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My comment is about Elisa and is that is very clear the hate of this woman for Craig Grant, and I wonder why so much hate? maybe she hates old mens she remembers of a bad experience, because I see something is wrong with her behavior, so more of a destruction on her, she has an evil behavior, the way she speaks show the dark face of her soul, Elisa how you said to someone, what goes around comes around , and if I was you(that I will never be like you, I believe in God!! you are a monster!
This place has been shut down! Thank the heavens!
“In an eight-page order, a judge of Florida’s Third Judicial Circuit transferred ownership of the felines from Caboodle Ranch to local authorities, saying the nearly 700 cats should never return to the rural Florida property.
“The judge wrote that the cats “were not receiving proper and reasonable care while in the custody of Caboodle” and that Caboodle lacked “the resources, ability, skill and (most importantly) willingness to follow expert veterinary advice essential to an operation dedicated to the care of such a large and apparently ever-growing number of animals.”
The judge also prohibited Caboodle from acquiring more animals, ensuring that no more cats fall victim to hoarding there.”
More information on the raid including videos of the rescue team:
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